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Shotgun License Expiration
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30-04-2014 11:18am#1
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Generally if you tell a Garda you don't need a weapon anymore, they'll be reaching for the cuffs before you realise you need to tell them that you meant "firearm" and that you're not confessing to having shot someone
Also, we don't have weapons retailers, we have registered firearms dealers. For the same reason. There are weapons retailers in Ireland, but there are specific Garda operations to catch them.
But to answer your intended question, it's easier to sort out the sale while your licence is still current, and once it's been sold and the RFD's taken possession of it - or the buyer has their licence and has taken possession of it if you sold it without going via an RFD - then you can fill in an FCA2 form and cancel the licence or just let the old one expire (but I'd go for the FCA2, it lets everyone know what's happening and nobody panics when you don't go to reapply in August).0 -
I was talking about the registered firearms dealers, my technical wording was a bit off :PGenerally if you tell a Garda you don't need a weapon anymore, they'll be reaching for the cuffs before you realise you need to tell them that you meant "firearm" and that you're not confessing to having shot someone
Also, we don't have weapons retailers, we have registered firearms dealers. For the same reason. There are weapons retailers in Ireland, but there are specific Garda operations to catch them.
But to answer your intended question, it's easier to sort out the sale while your licence is still current, and once it's been sold and the RFD's taken possession of it - or the buyer has their licence and has taken possession of it if you sold it without going via an RFD - then you can fill in an FCA2 form and cancel the licence or just let the old one expire (but I'd go for the FCA2, it lets everyone know what's happening and nobody panics when you don't go to reapply in August).
I think I will go straight to the RFD where I purchased the gun in the first place to save the me the hassle of the FCA2.
Thanks very much dude.0 -
Generally if you tell a Garda you don't need a weapon anymore, they'll be reaching for the cuffs before you realise you need to tell them that you meant "firearm" and that you're not confessing to having shot someone
Ah I dont think the AGS share the same views.
The Commissioner Guidelines refer to them as weapons in multiple places and I've seen in some of your posts where you quoted court cases (think it was the McCarron case in particular) the W word got thrown about quite often by both judge and super.
And from my own experience with Gardai at the front desk, when your dropping in an FCA1 form they chatty ones sometimes ask "a Remington 700? What kind of weapon is that?"
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You might note that that was a court case and court cases being adversarial situations by definition and intent, are rarely taken by two like-minded individuals who agree with each other about the merits of the caseBillyBoy13 wrote: »Ah I dont think the AGS share the same views.
The Commissioner Guidelines refer to them as weapons in multiple places and I've seen in some of your posts where you quoted court cases (think it was the McCarron case in particular) the W word got thrown about quite often by both judge and super.
Or more bluntly, the people you're talking about don't think we should own firearms and so use aggressively loaded terms to describe them because language both shapes and reflects thought.
But if you agree with them, feel free to use the terms they choose.
As to the commissioner's guidelines... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61953720That one blew my mind.
Here's a Judge, in the high court, stating explicitly that the issue is the applicant, not the firearm. And here's a Garda Commissioner, recommending (in a fudged way) to all Garda Superintendents and Chief Superintendents that they disregard that and consider the applicant as just another factor instead of the sole factor as stated by the Judge.
Isn't that perilously close to the definition of sedition?
Oh boy.Guidelines wrote:type of weapons that are
To be fair, of the 16 uses of the word "weapon" in the guidelines, only two are inappropriate and the Commissioner's fault - the others are either quoted from other sources or are in the titles of various Acts and you can't really blame the Commissioner for those.0 -
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No, I think the average Garda has a very distinct meaning in mind for the term "weapon" (and that that's a prevalent meaning in the Garda world and the courts) and we don't want to be within an asses' roar of it!
I’m going to have to disagree with you here Sparks.
From my own experience I find the average Garda (come to think about it, we even have our own people on here use the word weapon and not mean it in any negative way).... but back to our average Garda... in my own experience I have talked to Gardai over the years who would be quite pro (or at the very least fence sitters) and they would refer to them as weapons. I strongly suspect the average Garda would make no distinction and find the terms synonymous.
Actually. You know, we might be able to have a bit of fun with this- there's a board here somewhere (emergency services maybe?) with a lot of Gardai on it. Might be an idea for a novelty thread- just a simple question to them. We wont tell them the back story and see what replies we get. I bet ya a coffee the majority find them synonymous
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