Fight between housemates

runawaybishop

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree there. I think it is unreasonable. I would certainly expect that a housemate using half an hours hot water a day would pick up a greater proportion of the electricity bill

How mush extra do you think it would cost? It isn't really that expensive if its heated by the boiler.

MagicMarker

Thoie wrote: »

If the house has the immersion timings so finely balanced that there is just precisely enough hot water for 3x10 minute shower, what do they do for handwashing/other hot water needs during the day?

While the Irish have been brought up with a fear of leaving the immersion on too long, they're not that expensive. Most immersions use about 3units an hour. At night rate electricity, that works out at about €3 per person per month. Turning on the immersion for an extra hour every night, or an hour during the day (for double the price) may put a stop to a lot of arguments.

Boilers don't hold an infinite amount of water. I can leave the immersion on for 6 hours but I'm still only going to get the same amount of hot water in the morning.

We use up most of the hot water in the morning, if when I get home and I want another shower for whatever reason I just put the immersion on for another 15-30 minutes.

TimeToShine

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

After soaping yourself down, which would take 5 minutes, what does one then do with the other 10? Just kind of stand there?

Yes. Showers are a pleasurable experience for many, don't see why this stumps people. Obviously the OP shouldn't be indulging when there are people waiting to use it but some of you make the idea of a 10 minute shower seem ludicrous. If you have your own place why not?

The_Morrigan

TimeToShine wrote: »

Yes. Showers are a pleasurable experience for many, don't see why this stumps people. Obviously the OP shouldn't be indulging when there are people waiting to use it but some of you make the idea of a 10 minute shower seem ludicrous. If you have your own place why not?

The point is that the OP doesn't have their own place and his actions are inconsiderate to his housemates.

thats a very fair point,

some people in house sharing situations tend forget theres others living there and make the house very uncomfortable to live,

I think some people just dont know how to house to house share!

MagicMarker

TimeToShine wrote: »

Yes. Showers are a pleasurable experience for many, don't see why this stumps people. Obviously the OP shouldn't be indulging when there are people waiting to use it but some of you make the idea of a 10 minute shower seem ludicrous. If you have your own place why not?

No one is saying a 10 minute shower is ludicrous. In fact pretty much everyone is saying a 10 minute shower is more reasonable.

If you're sharing then you don't have the luxury of spending as long as you want in the shower.

daithi55

have a shower at the same time :-)
get a thermal mixing valve installed

wait until water metre charges come in :O housemates be murdered over 10min showers!

runawaybishop

MagicMarker wrote: »

Boilers don't hold an infinite amount of water. I can leave the immersion on for 6 hours but I'm still only going to get the same amount of hot water in the morning.

We use up most of the hot water in the morning, if when I get home and I want another shower for whatever reason I just put the immersion on for another 15-30 minutes.

Boilers hold no water, thats the tank :pac: A 15 min shower wont empty it of water so there just isn't enough to begin with. If they have boiler they have oil or gas so heating water should take feck all time.

Ranchu

If my 10 minute electric shower cost .30c and your 25 minute electric shower cost .75c i would be more pissed off. A girl I lived with that had long showers every night moved out and our electricity bill dropped by €100 odd euro. <SNIP>

Pompous

syklops wrote: »

This thread is hilarious. A fifteen minute shower is excessive? Im so glad I dont share any more.

This comment is hilarious. 15 minutes is your average shower? It doesn't matter if you're sharing, a shower is a shower.

Pawwed Rig

I'm gonna stopwatch my shower in the morning. Results to follow

whellman1030

The One Doctor wrote: »

€750 for a room? You're being ripped off, I pay that rent for a new one bed apartment in Dublin 13.

Where about? The others are paying 500euro because their rooms are smaller.

Michael D Not Higgins

whellman1030 wrote: »

Where about? The others are paying 500euro because their rooms are smaller.

That sounds like a rip off to be honest. Is it a 3-bed?

Caliden

whellman1030 wrote: »

Where about? The others are paying 500euro because their rooms are smaller.

250 euro extra for a bigger room?

How much bigger? Is the shower shared or do you have it in your bedroom?

250 extra sounds like a lot more to be paying than those other guys which doesn't seem very fair in my opinion.


Where are you living?

I would look at other rooms to rent in my opinion. It's not a nice environment and they don't seem like nice people if they threaten to evict you over using extra water in the shower. They can turn on the bloody immersion if they want hot water!!

MagicMarker

It is a rip off, but those are standard enough rates for "sought after" areas in Dublin. I'm paying over 500 for a single room, a flat mate is paying over 700 for another and the other flatmate is paying more again.

Tar.Aldarion

Seems ridiculous, my one bedroom apartment is 700, 15 mins walk from o connell st. Now that might eb a good deal but even for 800/900 there would be so many. What a waste for a shared house imo.

runawaybishop

Pompous wrote: »

This comment is hilarious. 15 minutes is your average shower? It doesn't matter if you're sharing, a shower is a shower.

13.5 minutes is the average shower for people in their twenties, 15 minutes isn't excessive.

Michael D Not Higgins

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Seems ridiculous, my one bedroom apartment is 700, 15 mins walk from o connell st. Now that might eb a good deal but even for 800/900 there would be so many. What a waste for a shared house imo.

It doesn't seem ridiculous if it's a 3-bed for 1750 (depending on location of course). The ridiculous thing is that he's paying 50% more than the flatmates.

I'd be expecting a bigger room and en-suite for that premium.

ZeroBarry

MagicMarker wrote: »

It is a rip off, but those are standard enough rates for "sought after" areas in Dublin. I'm paying over 500 for a single room, a flat mate is paying over 700 for another and the other flatmate is paying more again.

That is an absolute joke of a price for a room for yourself and the OP author, rent in Dublin is crazy.

The average you pay down the country (Munster Area) is between €550 - €700 for a full 3 bedroom house with a nice sized back and front garden if you spend the time looking.

I pay €550 for my 3 bedroom house and I'm sharing with the GF, she works locally in our town I have a 20min commute to my job, my weekly rent/travel/bill/food costs total are less then what some of ye guys are paying for a single room. And I have an electric shower! and money to save

Dublin needs to get sorted!

To the OP, if you read this, I would seriously consider moving out and finding a place further out the country, do a cost/benefit analysis in relation to your lifestyle, you'd be surprised at how much you can save and how much cheaper it is to live further away from the city and commute in and out.

Penny Tration

Just to point out, people are saying a 15 minute shower isn't excessive.

Op has said he took 25 minute showers and then his girlfriend took 15 minutes. 25 minutes is hugely excessive.

Pompous

runawaybishop wrote: »

13.5 minutes is the average shower for people in their twenties

Source??

Grandpa Hassan

ZeroBarry wrote: »

you'd be surprised at how much you can save and how much cheaper it is to live further away from the city and commute in and out.

But the bit in bold is horrific. To not have to do that is worth the exta rent for many

runawaybishop

Pompous wrote: »

Source??

Read the thread.

runawaybishop

green_screen wrote: »

Just to point out, people are saying a 15 minute shower isn't excessive.

Op has said he took 25 minute showers and then his girlfriend took 15 minutes. 25 minutes is hugely excessive.

25 mins is excessive so he has cut it down but is still getting complaints that there is no water. If there is no water after a 15 min shower then there is not enough hot water to begin with.

Pompous

runawaybishop wrote: »

Read the thread.

I did.

Pompous

The source is a "Shower Power" campaign by "The leading authority on water efficiency in the UK and Europe". Their goal is "that water will be used wisely, every day, everywhere!"

These statistics are most likely biased and definitely not scientific.

runawaybishop

Pompous wrote: »

The source is a "Shower Power" campaign by "The leading authority on water efficiency in the UK and Europe". Their goal is "that water will be used wisely, every day, everywhere!"

These statistics are most likely biased and definitely not scientific.

Its backed up by other research by unilever that pegs the average for all ages at 8-9 minutes. If you made even a cursory attempt at googling you'd see that 15 min showers are very common.

Even if the op cuts his shower time down to 10 or 5 minutes its obvious that theere isn't enough hot water to begin with. The cost of having enough for all is trivial.

Pompous

runawaybishop wrote: »

If you made even a cursory attempt at googling you'd see that 15 min showers are very common misconception.

Fixed that for you. I did google. Anyway, I don't like your tone, I'm done with this discussion. Have a nice day.

runawaybishop

Pompous wrote: »

Fixed that for you. I did google. Anyway, I don't like your tone, I'm done with this discussion. Have a nice day.

Incorrect, it was a misconception that woman on average spent 15 minutes. It is not a misconception that amongst some age brackets 13.5 minutes is the average meaning that 15 minutes is very common.

Caliden

Look, the fella had a **** in the shower. The shower isn't the issue.

The issue is that his housemates threatened to evict him over there being no hot water.
Big fúcking deal, it happens.

Is there a limit to how long I can spend on the jacks taking a shít as well? Get a grip people

The_Morrigan

Caliden wrote: »

Look, the fella had a **** in the shower. The shower isn't the issue.

The issue is that his housemates threatened to evict him over there being no hot water.
Big fúcking deal, it happens.

Is there a limit to how long I can spend on the jacks taking a shít as well? Get a grip people

If you post in this manner again you will find yourself taking a holiday from here.
Clean up your tone, content and language please.

TimeToShine

Caliden wrote: »

Look, the fella had a **** in the shower. The shower isn't the issue.

The issue is that his housemates threatened to evict him over there being no hot water.
Big fúcking deal, it happens.

Is there a limit to how long I can spend on the jacks taking a shít as well? Get a grip people

Albeit crude I am inclined to agree. There are no grounds for forcing someone out of their home here. This is practically bullying. Especially considering that it doesn't sound like a common occurrence.

cerastes

Ranchu wrote: »

If my 10 minute electric shower cost .30c and your 25 minute electric shower cost .75c i would be more pissed off. A girl I lived with that had long showers every night moved out and our electricity bill dropped by €100 odd euro. <SNIP>

I wouldnt say its the cost thats as much the problem although any cost will eventually add up, but if someone and their partner that doesnt pay to live there spend an hour in the shower for a few days running and on both occasions the others had to wait this long for them to finish and then wait to reheat the water as aall the hot water was used up, I can understand them being pissed.

that said, Id be suspect of the whole story, as the Op has been asked where this place is (edit a few times) and cant even answer with a rough location.

runawaybishop

cerastes wrote: »

I wouldnt say its the cost thats as much the problem although any cost will eventually add up, but if someone and their partner that doesnt pay to live there spend an hour in the shower for a few days running and on both occasions the others had to wait this long for them to finish and then wait to reheat the water as aall the hot water was used up, I can understand them being pissed.

that said, Id be suspect of the whole story, as the Op has been asked where this place is and cant even answer with a rough location.

The GF showered there on 2 occasions and no longer does so. Inmy house teh shower would often be running for an hour by the time everyone is done, we don't run out of water.

I'd be suspicious of your username, are you even a serpent?

Calina

dear god this thread is bizarre.

Why are people getting so hung up on how much time other people spend in the shower anyway? Just because you only take 5 minutes doesn't mean everybody else HAS to only take five minutes.

OP - I don't think arguing over hot water is reasonable. The rent you are paying is indicative of a possible option to move. Consider it - it might be worth it for your own sanity. My past experience is petty arguments like this are an indicator of other problems in the atmosphere.

MagicMarker

ZeroBarry wrote: »

That is an absolute joke of a price for a room for yourself and the OP author, rent in Dublin is crazy.

The average you pay down the country (Munster Area) is between €550 - €700 for a full 3 bedroom house with a nice sized back and front garden if you spend the time looking.

I pay €550 for my 3 bedroom house and I'm sharing with the GF, she works locally in our town I have a 20min commute to my job, my weekly rent/travel/bill/food costs total are less then what some of ye guys are paying for a single room. And I have an electric shower! and money to save

Dublin needs to get sorted!

To the OP, if you read this, I would seriously consider moving out and finding a place further out the country, do a cost/benefit analysis in relation to your lifestyle, you'd be surprised at how much you can save and how much cheaper it is to live further away from the city and commute in and out.

Yeah but who the **** wants to live in Munster? :pac: :

whellman1030

IMHO these guys think they are the house bosses, because they are there for 2 years and I just arrived.

I can put myself on their shoes and I wouldn't like a new tenant to screw up the peaceful life I had before with my housemates.

But isn't the case to ask, if they live there for 2 years would cost too much to buy an electric shower?

And there's things they do I don't like, but to avoid more conflicts I just shut up.

From my perspective I know they mean no harm, but I'm the newcomer, the minority, and I have to shut up if I want peace. It's kind of bullying to be honest.

Of course there are lots of other things that we argued about, but I have to agree with them because I need peace and have no time to look for a new place (and you know how hard is to find an apartment in the 4 miles range of Dublin center).

It's not like I came to the house and started to leave everything dirty, untidy and turning on the LOUD music at 2AM!!!!

I take my showers at work/gym (never use it at home) and so if what 1 time per week I want to take a long shower to make me relax??? Just take it 2 hours before anyone need one and turn on the heater again!!!!

That's why House Sharing in Dublin, specially with foreigners is a pain in the....I shared with 3 Irish's before in a rural town, and they were angels. But in Dublin finding an house only with Irish's is impossible. And I'm not Irish.

Conclusion: In Dublin rent a 1 bed apartment, if you can afford it!!!!

cerastes

runawaybishop wrote: »

The GF showered there on 2 occasions and no longer does so. Inmy house teh shower would often be running for an hour by the time everyone is done, we don't run out of water.

I'd be suspicious of your username, are you even a serpent?

I dont see what you're so annoyed about? its the other house sharers that have brought up their complaint.

Neither is it a question of how much water is used in your house?? I just dont see the connection, the OP never confirmed how they heat the water, its been suggested by others it could be one thing or another.

And last of all what has my username got to do with it? you can use Google, so cerastes means horned viper?? and?

I said Im suspicious of the story as the OP was unable to confirm the location in Dublin, despite being asked a number of times by a few people due to the rent price.

Im more suspicious of your unnecessary reply and defence of some other? person

Pawwed Rig

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I'm gonna stopwatch my shower in the morning. Results to follow

In the interests of scientific research myself and the wife timed our showers this morning. Mine clocked at 5 mins and 7 seconds while she took a staggering 10 mins and 39 seconds. She emphasises that this includes time to soak her hair in conditioner and other lady things.

:pac:

Mrs OBumble

The OP has said it's within 4 miles of central Dublin. Rent sounds quite believable, especially if the OP had to move there at short notice for a job or suchlike.

cerastes

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

The OP has said it's within 4 miles of central Dublin. Rent sounds quite believable, especially if the OP had to move there at short notice for a job or suchlike.

they did say that, eventually, but the areas vary in that description, 750 does still not sound likely for a room to me, I havent been looking but Ive no come across it, neither have other posters that suggested its too high.
I couldnt understand why they would remain tight lipped about it after coming on and spilling the rest of the beans.

it happened before

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=86620808

runawaybishop

cerastes wrote: »

I dont see what you're so annoyed about? its the other house sharers that have brought up their complaint.

Neither is it a question of how much water is used in your house?? I just dont see the connection, the OP never confirmed how they heat the water, its been suggested by others it could be one thing or another.

And last of all what has my username got to do with it? you can use Google, so cerastes means horned viper?? and?

I said Im suspicious of the story as the OP was unable to confirm the location in Dublin, despite being asked a number of times by a few people due to the rent price.

Im more suspicious of your unnecessary reply and defence of some other? person

I'm not annoyed.

Water is heated by boiler, as per post 10.

I mentioned showering for one hour as an indication that a hot tank can store enough water to shower for one hour, thats the connection.

I referenced being suspicious of your username as an example of how ridiculous you saying you were suspicious of the OPs rent/location was, that's all. Its completely irrelevant to the os situation and pedantry over minor details just derails the topic.

MagicMarker

cerastes wrote: »

they did say that, eventually, but the areas vary in that description, 750 does still not sound likely for a room to me, I havent been looking but Ive no come across it, neither have other posters that suggested its too high.

Well I've come across it, because I live it.

My 3 bed apartment is 2000 a month, and that's actually at a discounted price as my flatmate is old friends with the LL. Other 3 beds in the building can go for up to 2500 per month. This is Dublin 4. We've never had a problem occupying the room, people are practically queueing up.

It's not just the area you have to consider, it's the quality of the abode.

Ranchu

MagicMarker wrote: »

Well I've come across it, because I live it.

My 3 bed apartment is 2000 a month, and that's actually at a discounted price as my flatmate is old friends with the LL. Other 3 beds in the building can go for up to 2500 per month. This is Dublin 4. We've never had a problem occupying the room, people are practically queueing up.

It's not just the area you have to consider, it's the quality of the abode.

I live in a two bedroom house in Dublin 4 for 890. The prices people are willing to pay astounds me.

MagicMarker

Ranchu wrote: »

I live in a two bedroom house in Dublin 4 for 890. The prices people are willing to pay astounds me.

You're only paying about 90 less than me per month (assuming your rent is split down the middle), hardly breaking the bank.

But no, I definitely wouldn't be paying 700+ just for a room. When originally searching in the area I budgeting for about 400 a month, but most places that came up weren't great and the ones that were nice were gone almost immediately. Right now it's a landlords market, they can charge extortionate prices because there'll always be someone willing to pay it as demand is crazy.

cerastes

runawaybishop wrote: »

I'm not annoyed.

Water is heated by boiler, as per post 10.

I mentioned showering for one hour as an indication that a hot tank can store enough water to shower for one hour, thats the connection.

I referenced being suspicious of your username as an example of how ridiculous you saying you were suspicious of the OPs rent/location was, that's all. Its completely irrelevant to the os situation and pedantry over minor details just derails the topic.

It seems the OP has not stated how the water is heated, seems not to be clear about whether he's calling the hot water cylinder the boiler, or whether they are heating it using electricity or oil or gas. The amount of water in your cylinder or how many showers you get out of it is not relative to how many showers the OP can get out of theirs, it might be smaller or they might be running the immersion on sink? just dont know so cant really compare.

theres no relation or analogy for you to use between my username and my suspicion, just doesnt correspond.
I never said I was suspicious of their rent or location, If they are paying that much its mad money, not that I completely disbelieve it, but I wanted to have an idea where was charging that much? which a few people asked and they never answered, still its unanswered. I was suspect of the story as the Op was asked these things and declined to answer after starting the thread? Im not even sure of the relevance of what he is paying? the OP brought it up, it was the OP that agreed to pay it and admitted they never even checked what facilities they would have inclusive.

This could all just be from my difference of opinion to others though or my suspicious nature?

I have lived in shared accommodation though and you need to have some agreed living rules, I think they are better to come up at the start, sometimes they are formulated after problems, other people that are more similar in their outlook manage to get along without rules.
It can be a matter of giving a heads up of someone staying if they are not local or if they are not imposing themselves on the paying residents.

whellman1030

cerastes wrote: »

It seems the OP has not stated how the water is heated, seems not to be clear about whether he's calling the hot water cylinder the boiler, or whether they are heating it using electricity or oil or gas. The amount of water in your cylinder or how many showers you get out of it is not relative to how many showers the OP can get out of theirs, it might be smaller or they might be running the immersion on sink? just dont know so cant really compare.

theres no relation or analogy for you to use between my username and my suspicion, just doesnt correspond.
I never said I was suspicious of their rent or location, If they are paying that much its mad money, not that I completely disbelieve it, but I wanted to have an idea where was charging that much? which a few people asked and they never answered, still its unanswered. I was suspect of the story as the Op was asked these things and declined to answer after starting the thread? Im not even sure of the relevance of what he is paying? the OP brought it up, it was the OP that agreed to pay it and admitted they never even checked what facilities they would have inclusive.

This could all just be from my difference of opinion to others though or my suspicious nature?

I have lived in shared accommodation though and you need to have some agreed living rules, I think they are better to come up at the start, sometimes they are formulated after problems, other people that are more similar in their outlook manage to get along without rules.
It can be a matter of giving a heads up of someone staying if they are not local or if they are not imposing themselves on the paying residents.

LOL, I declined to answer or you don't know how to read??? YMMD :pac:

cerastes

whellman1030 wrote: »

LOL, I declined to answer or you don't know how to read??? YMMD :pac:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=86620808

Uh hh, I see

whellman1030

cerastes wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=86620808

Uh hh, I see

Jaisus, this person knows how to use the search!!! I don't know why you even stepped in into this thread, if your intention was to fight everyone!!!