breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

alaimacerc

P_1 wrote: »

Cheers, I thought that the police of country A arresting a member of country B's parliament might have caused some legal and/or diplomatic issues but I'd imagine that Adams is one of the more special cases.

Parliamentarians aren't in the same sort of category as diplomats, who're formally in other countries under a different class of passport. I think that politicians making "official visits", acting in their official capacities under the direct invitation of the host country are in a vaguely similar position, but I'm not quite sure of the niceties of that. But if you get elected to the Italian senate then try to skip out on a restaurant bill in Waterford, there's no reason not to expect to get arrested for it.

mickydoomsux

RayM wrote: »

Very good at attaching themselves to various campaigns and causes and getting their faces in local papers, but little else. A bunch of complete chancers, preying on poorly educated, historically illiterate imbeciles.

Here's a Tumblr blog, full of photographs of a Sinn Fein councillor standing beside stuff, looking annoyed. Pretty much sums up the entire work of their representatives.

Their economic policies are genuinely laughable and child-like.

To be fair, i suppose they don't know how to deal with funding issues that don't get sorted out by US benefactors who don't understand what's going on fully.

rockbeast

I guess sub-judice only kicks in if GA is charged?!

Get a grip of yourselves folks - there's a political reason behind his arrest...

Gatling

rockbeast wrote: »

I guess sub-judice only kicks in if GA is charged?!

Get a grip of yourselves folks - there's a political reason behind his arrest...

No its about a murder of an innocent mother of 10 kids not politics don't think enda organised this

The Diabolical Monocle

And the reliable evidence is .......

Karl Stein

The Aussie wrote: »

By bringing in other cases to dilute this one

I wasn't trying to 'dilute it', if anything anti-Republican neurotics try to magnify it. I was simply highlighting that killing informants, collaborators, spies is an aspect of conflict and was not unique to the troubles.

Gatling

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

And the reliable evidence is .......

I get the feeling it involves something called the Boston project

ThisRegard

rockbeast wrote: »

I guess sub-judice only kicks in if GA is charged?!

Get a grip of yourselves folks - there's a political reason behind his arrest...

Enlighten us.

rockbeast

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Their economic policies are genuinely laughable and child-like.

To be fair, i suppose they don't know how to deal with funding issues that don't get sorted out by US benefactors who don't understand what's going on fully.

That's extremely naive. Any effective democracy needs an efficient and effective contrarian party. Obviously SF are getting too close to revealing something...in the same week that certain ex-bankers walked free - in the run up to local elections - quelle surprise at the timing of this....

Gatling

Karl Stein wrote: »

I wasn't trying to 'dilute it', if anything anti-Republican neurotics try to magnify it. I was simply highlighting that killing informants, collaborators, spies is an aspect of conflict and was not unique to the troubles.

Jean mcconville wasn't an informed or collaborator

rockbeast

ThisRegard wrote: »

Enlighten us.

A fear of the results that will be forthcoming in the local elections.

ThisRegard

Conspiracy theories are hilarious.

The Diabolical Monocle

Gatling wrote: »

I get the feeling it involves something called the Boston project

Really? tell me more ....

rockbeast

ThisRegard wrote: »

Conspiracy theories are hilarious.

Great argument

Gatling

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Really? tell me more ....

Look it up

The Diabolical Monocle

Gatling wrote: »

Look it up

Oh yeah its the thing with the recording of some people with gripes.

Case closed.

alaimacerc

Karl Stein wrote: »

I wasn't trying to 'dilute it', if anything anti-Republican neurotics try to magnify it.

Which is in effect to concede the point being made, just with the flat assertion that you're not "down-sizing", you're "right-sizing" by assuming your own perspective to be correct (without bothering to argue for it). And of course, by imputing mental illness to anyone with a different viewpoint. Classy.

Karl Stein

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Their economic policies are genuinely laughable and child-like.

As opposed to the economic policies that FF (FG were offering a turbo-charged version of FF's policies) that essentially bankrupted the nation?

Amused.
Karl Stein.

Seaneh

Gatling wrote: »

Look it up

If you're going to mention something, however vaguely, you should be backing it up.

mickydoomsux

rockbeast wrote: »

Obviously SF are getting too close to revealing something...in the same week that certain ex-bankers walked free - in the run up to local elections - quelle surprise at the timing of this....

SF couldn't find their hole with two hands and a map. The are the herp derp party of the contraian-for-the-sake-of-it buffoons.

They don't have any evidence on anything.

ThisRegard

rockbeast wrote: »

Great argument

Wasn't an argument, was an observation.

rockbeast

ThisRegard wrote: »

Wasn't an argument, was an observation.

High-5

mickydoomsux

Karl Stein wrote: »

As opposed to the economic policies that FF (FG were offering a turbo-charged version of FF's policies) that essentially bankrupted the nation?

Amused.
Karl Stein.

"These guys were wrong so it must mean that these other guys who haven't run anything other than a terrorist faction are right"

Gatling

Seaneh wrote: »

If you're going to mention something, however vaguely, you should be backing it up.

We will have to wait and see won't we ,

Karl Stein

alaimacerc wrote: »

Which is in effect to concede the point being made, just with the flat assertion that you're not "down-sizing", you're "right-sizing" by assuming your own perspective to be correct (without bothering to argue for it).

There were over 3000 people killed in the course of the conflict. I'm confident that if you asked people on the street if they could name anyone killed in the troubles the vast majority would only be able to name two or three killings, all carried out by the PIRA - that is not by happenstance.

Jean McConville's killing, gruesome as it was, is most certainly magnified in an attempt to garner political capital.

And of course, by imputing mental illness to anyone with a different viewpoint.

In my view those who attempt to stigmatise and silence us who are sympathetic to Nationalists and Republicans by attributing a hive mind (see: Shinnerbot*) to our views deserve little else.



*I see that you thanked that post. Interesting.

knucklehead6

ThisRegard wrote: »

Adams was the one to go see the PSNI. No political conspiracy there.

Actually there is. But it on Adams part, to galvanise his party's support base. In terms of politics it's a genius move.

alaimacerc

rockbeast wrote: »

That's extremely naive. Any effective democracy needs an efficient and effective contrarian party. Obviously SF are getting too close to revealing something...in the same week that certain ex-bankers walked free - in the run up to local elections - quelle surprise at the timing of this....

I apologise in advance if I've about to upset any Shinnerbots with Partitionist Thinking(TM), but you do realize that the banking trial was in the republic, and the PSNI's jurisdiction is the six counties?

For this particular conspiracy theory to be much of a runner, you'd have to assume such high-level secret north-south cooperation that it'd be practically doing the reunification agenda's work for them.

mickydoomsux

Karl Stein wrote: »

There were over 3000 people killed in the course of the conflict. I'm confident that if you asked people on the street if they could name anyone killed in the troubles the vast majority would only be able to name two or three killings, all carried out by the PIRA - that is not by happenstance.

Jean McConville's killing, gruesome as it was, is most certainly magnified in an attempt to garner political capital..

Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that most people were disgusted by those amazing, heroic freedom fighters murdering innocent people on our behalf in a "war" that the majority in the Republic had no interest in.

It was all about winning votes, even when SF were a non-entity down here.

Karl Stein

mickydoomsux wrote: »

"These guys were wrong so it must mean that these other guys who haven't run anything other than a terrorist faction are right"

If you're going to quote me you could try addressing the points I make instead of rambling on about your own preconceived notions.

alaimacerc

Karl Stein wrote: »

In my view those who attempt to stigmatise and silence us who are sympathetic to Nationalists and Republicans by attributing a hive mind (see: Shinnerbot*) to our views deserve little else.

Are you going to try to argue that "Shinnerbot" is somehow a more denigrating, "silencing" term than "neurotic"? Or is this once again all based on the assumption that because you're stigmatising in a "good cause", it's perfectly all right when you do it?

Genuinely curious as to your rationale here.