breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

My name is URL

K-9 wrote: »

I thought it was a brain freeze, but nope, you've actually thought that idiotic post through and blame the son. I'm sure the local IRA will totally understand and actually drive him to the station to help the police and tell him he'll be fine.

What have I blamed the son for?

He's the one giving interviews, telling the world he knows who is responsible, and how he has refused to assist police with their enquiries.

You don't find it at all odd that a person would publicly share such details, despite him fearing for his life? If you feared for your life due to the same reasons as him, would you go to newspapers and national radio stations and confirm that you 'know' who is responsible?

bumper234

My name is URL wrote: »

What's idiotic about it? He 'knows' who killed her. He's happy enough to come out and tell the world that he knows who killed her, but he refuses to tell police what he knows regarding an active murder investigation.

Surely his silence is standing in the way of justice? Just because he's her son doesn't mean that isn't true.

I dare say he has told the police who did it, in fact i recon lots of people have told the police who did it but unless one of those people is willing to stand up in court and declare what they know then the police can't do jack **** about it. Would you be willing to stand up in court and say you saw these people kidnap/murder a woman? Would you risk your own life and the lives of your family?

Santa Cruz

Will someone please think of the children

rockatansky

K-9 wrote: »

WTF, by Jaysus I've seen some idiotic posts in my time.......................

I've just watched the Interview the Son gave to Sky News and in fairness its a bit ridiculous to sit there and say that he fears for the safety of his family from Dissident Republicans if he were to name those involved. So he's been a witness all this time yet wont give names?

Red Pepper

A lot of people know who murdered that woman. They didn't need to hide in those flats.

"I knew the ones that hadn't got masks on, they were neighbours from the area. My older brother Archie probably recognized more of them. My older sister Agnes probably recognized more of them as well. But everybody tells you the IRA's gone away. They haven't. They're still our neighbours, and we're still afraid of them."

"I remember one of the girls (who abducted her) talking, who I knew because she hadn't got a mask on, she used to be a neighbour of ours, her and her sister were there.

"They kept trying to calm us down, because they knew us and they knew us by name."

Santa Cruz

Adams has been in touch with Max Clifford to try and have his story sold to the Sunday tabloids "My Prison Hell"

alaimacerc

K-9 wrote: »

Well the next step is moving on from the past as best people can, people did it already with the prisoner amnesty. The other way involves investigating 100's if not thousands of cases on all sides, or go the truth and reconciliation route.

Logically yes, but that's not the nature of the "process". The amnesty was done as part of a "big deal" that there was lots of political pressure to actually get done. It's now in a place where people can tell themselves that it's good enough to be getting along with, and if there's any push to move things on from that, there's lots of opportunity for grandstanding backlash from either side, as we've seen.

So instead we get one-sided calls for ad hoc investigations from each party to the conflict, and no resolution in prospect. I suppose "wait a few decades and everyone concerned will be safely dead" would be a sort of resolution, though.

Dyr

K-9 wrote: »

WTF, by Jaysus I've seen some idiotic posts in my time.......................

is this guy basically saying that he and his siblings know who did it but they arent telling?

some family of geniuses if thats the case

My name is URL

bumper234 wrote: »

I dare say he has told the police who did it, in fact i recon lots of people have told the police who did it but unless one of those people is willing to stand up in court and declare what they know then the police can't do jack **** about it. Would you be willing to stand up in court and say you saw these people kidnap/murder a woman? Would you risk your own life and the lives of your family?

Probably not... but I wouldn't go on TV, radio and to newspapers proclaiming to know who killed her either. Do you not think that him making a big deal of knowing who is responsible is a bit odd, considering how fearful he is for his safety?

iForgetMyPW

I haven't been following this case but even if he was involved in murders during the troubles how can he go to jail when British soldiers killed innocent civilians too and noting happened to them.

Am I missing something? To be honest this will only make things worse, just leave the past in the past ffs it was a war!!

iForgetMyPW

Stheno wrote: »

And that made it fine to leave ten children orphans, and waiting many many years to bury their mother?

Oh boo whoo she knew what she was doing

Red Pepper

Bambi wrote: »

is this guy basically saying that he and his siblings know who did it but they arent telling?

some family of geniuses if thats the case

Well the family do know some of the people that helped abduct their mother because some of them were unmasked neighbours. Not sure they know who pulled the trigger or gave the order but as the daughter said, even the dogs on the street knew Adams was an active IRA commander in west Belfast at the time.

Red Pepper

iForgetMyPW wrote: »

Oh boo whoo she knew what she was doing

muppet

iForgetMyPW

rockbeast wrote: »

And in the end Mandela was saluted off to his heaven as a Freedom Fighter...

Some hypocrites on here - I'm off back to hang out in the rugby forums.

This

William F

iForgetMyPW wrote: »

I haven't been following this case but even if he was involved in murders during the troubles how can he go to jail when British soldiers killed innocent civilians too and noting happened to them.

Am I missing something? To be honest this will only make things worse, just leave the past in the past ffs it was a war!!

The Brits are just covering their asses in case Scotland exists the Union and all the war crimes they were involved in eventually come out.

So they've developed a strike first mentality and are trying to rid Sinn Fein of Adams and damage as much of the party as they can to mitigate the effects if it does happen.

It's very risky but it's the only option they have for protecting war criminals and murderers whoes safety Teresa Valliers has guaranteed in yesterdays decision not pursue those responsible for Ballymurphy.

It's only in the public interest to have Gerry Adams behind bars-the British public interest that is.

ThisRegard

Santa Cruz wrote: »

"destabilising the peace process" i.e Shinner talk for "if we don't get what we want w e will let the boys loose again"

They haven't gone away you know.

Edit, balls, I should have known someone would get there before me.

iForgetMyPW

Red Pepper wrote: »

muppet

I know for sure that I would not be a informer during the troubles. Yeah it's sad for her children but what do you think they should of done? She was already warned, may I ask do you care about the men that the IRA murdered?

Yggr of Asgard

The UK government through it's "independent" police service arrest an Irish TD, where is the outrage?

When is Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore calling in the ambassador of the UK into the Department of Foreign Affairs to protest against this outrages act of detaining a sitting member of the Dáil.

If the Garda would arrest an English MP I'm sure the English would threaten us with invasion if we don't release him forthwith. They have started wars over less (like fake documents).

Thanks to the Gods he was not traveling on official business and hence did not have a diplomatic passport. But when will the Irish embassy in London fly over someone to Belfast to offer consular assistance to the poor Mr. Adams, I'm sure he is entitled and in need of consular assistance.

When is SF organizing the demo in front of the UK embassy with "Free Adams" posters?

vitani

iForgetMyPW wrote: »

I know for sure that I would not be a informer during the troubles. Yeah it's sad for her children but what do you think they should of done? She was already warned, may I ask do you care about the men that the IRA murdered?

Oh, FFS. There's no proof she was an informer. And even if she was, it doesn't justify ripping her from the arms of her crying children, torturing her, killing her and then hiding the body. Before kidnapping her eleven year old son and beating him for hours so that he'll keep his mouth shut.

iForgetMyPW

William F wrote: »

The Brits are just covering their asses in case Scotland exists the Union and all the war crimes they were involved in eventually come out.

So they've developed a strike first mentality and are trying to rid Sinn Fein of Adams and damage as much of the party as they can to mitigate the effects if it does happen.

It's very risky but it's the only option they have for protecting war criminals and murderers whoes safety Teresa Valliers has guaranteed in yesterdays decision not pursue those responsible for Ballymurphy.

It's only in the public interest to have Gerry Adams behind bars-the British public interest that is.

Yeah it confuses me that people in this thread are so anti Gerry Adams. Yeah he is not an angel but neither were the British army. It was a war, it's not supposed to be pretty.

I don't want any British soldiers to go to jail because what they done was done in war and should be forget. But if you're going to start to put members of the IRA in prison for stuff they done in war in bad. Noting good will come out of it, we are supposed to be moving on not going backwards.

TheHappyChappy

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I'm speechless. Why don't you ring the PSNI and report the man for withholding information about a crime? Hopefully you'll get arrested for wasting police time. Idiotic post.

Yes mrsbyrne you have managed yet another idiotic post

iForgetMyPW

vitani wrote: »

Oh, FFS. There's no proof she was an informer. And even if she was, it doesn't justify ripping her from the arms of her crying children, torturing her, killing her and then hiding the body. Before kidnapping her eleven year old son and beating him for hours so that he'll keep his mouth shut.

Look I'm not saying it was right but those were dark times in our history. What about all the innocent people killed by the British. Not happens to those soldiers....

Move on ffs

Iwasfrozen

iForgetMyPW wrote: »

Look I'm not saying it was right but those were dark times in our history. What about all the innocent people killed by the British. Not happens to those soldiers....

Move on ffs

What about them? If you're pulled over by the guards for speeding do you ask them what about all the other people speeding?

Da Shins Kelly

Barely There wrote: »

C'mon everybody do the Shinnerbot with me.

1) It was a war, **** happens.
2) The Brits did bad stuff too
3) Ah shur we all have a murky past don't we?


Homophobic insult optional.

:rolleyes:

iForgetMyPW

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What about them? If you're pulled over by the guards for speeding do you ask them what about all the other people speeding?

What is that supposed to mean? Pretty much the British prime minster said a few years ago "Yeah it was bad that innocent civilians got killed by British soldiers during the troubles but sh*t happens we are very sorry." Why is it okay for one side to get off Scott free but another side is held for their actions.

I don't see them going to jail, why can't we just move on

rockatansky

Barely There wrote: »

Homophobic insult optional.

Whats that all about??

Lord Trollington

My name is URL wrote: »

What's idiotic about it? He 'knows' who killed her. He's happy enough to come out and tell the world that he knows who killed her, but he refuses to tell police what he knows regarding an active murder investigation.

Surely his silence is standing in the way of justice? Just because he's her son doesn't mean that isn't true.

So let me get this straight.

Jean McConvilles son has known who killed his mother all along, but in 42 years has failed to ever be interviewed or questioned about it?

For 27 years whilst her body was missing, he failed to ever name someone who he felt was involved in the murder of his own mother that would assist in the recovery of her body.

I'm sorry folks but that is completely off the bleeding wall. Even by IRA and Northern Ireland's standards.

Iwasfrozen

iForgetMyPW wrote: »

What is that supposed to mean? Pretty much the British prime minster said a few years ago "Yeah it was bad that innocent civilians got killed by British soldiers during the troubles but sh*t happens we are very sorry."

I don't see them going to jail, why can't we just move on

Whether British officers have or have not done anything wrong is irrelevant to this case.

You don't get away with murder just because someone else has gotten away with murder.

ThisRegard

rockatansky wrote: »

Whats that all about??

Someone bizarrely told someone else to organise a gay pride parade or something like that last night.

Lord Trollington

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Whether British officers have or have not done anything wrong is irrelevant to this case.

You don't get away with murder just because someone else has gotten away with murder.

You do when it's a war.