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breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

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    #662
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,348 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Barely There wrote: »
    The really sad thing, is that the IRA thugs wouldn't have been able to continue their horrendous campaign of murder and terror for so long without the support of people such as the Shinner apologists stinking up this thread.

    If they had any sense of self-awareness or just common human decency they'd be ashamed of their defence of such vicious acts.

    Thank Christ they'll never amount to anything more than a tiny but shameful part of our electorate.

    'Tiny' part of the electorate? Not recently.

    Some people see that the IRA were formed out of a legitimate need for protection of catholic areas and believe that from there on they were involved in a legitimate conflict and, like all armed conflicts, unfortunately innocent people lost their lives due to error and incompetence. Now, you can use all the inflammatory adjectives you like but that point of view is held by more than a tiny minority.

    As for 'double speak', seems to me that term could be used to describe a situation where admittance of involvement in something is criminalised and therefore cannot be addressed openly; everyone knows it is criminalised; yet stones are then thrown at those who were probably involved when they don't (because they can't) admit such involvement.

    But as I said earlier, very easy for the southern middle class demographic to get on horses oh so high with regard to this stuff.


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    #663
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Gerry Adams is not a British citizen, nor was he arrested on 'British soil' . C'mon now. Troll harder.

    oh gawd...are you really gonna play the UK v GB card?


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    #664
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    Oh look, its the "15 wrongs make a right" argument.
    Concentrate lads, we are talking about the McConville murder and Adam's role in it.

    <not sure how that smiley face got in there..>



    which was what exactly....surly all he have to do is sit it out as due to lack of any real evidence it will collapse??
    *not that this is right

    they have no SCC (which should be adbolished IMO...it was meant to in GFA..i think) in the north AFAIK


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    #665
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Gerry Adams is not a British citizen
    He's repudiated his UK citizenship? Source please?
    nor was he arrested on 'British soil'

    And the GFA, too? Or are you just doing that on his behalf?


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    #666
    bumper234
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    Banjo String wrote: »
    Gerry Adams is not a British citizen, nor was he arrested on 'British soil' . C'mon now. Troll harder.

    Ok my apologies.

    He is a citizen of the UNITED KINGDOM and was arrested in the UNITED KINGDOM.

    Either way his membership of the dail does not hive him diplomatic immunity.


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    #667
    Banjo String
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    It is British soil we gave up any claim to the North in the GFA

    Doesn't matter a shiny shıte what 'we' gave up. The north of Ireland was never considered 'British soil'.
    (check the front of a UK passport as a hint)

    Bit of research before the posturing lads. :rolleyes:


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    #668
    Banjo String
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    alaimacerc wrote: »
    He's repudiated his UK citizenship? Source please?



    And the GFA, too? Or are you just doing that on his behalf?

    Anyone born in the north has the right to self determination. They can choose to be British, or Irish, hell they can have dual citizenship.

    No need for repudiation.

    Surprised you weren't aware of that tbh.


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    #669
    Iwasfrozen
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    Banjo String wrote: »
    Anyone born in the north has the right to self determination. They can choose to be British, or Irish, hell they can have dual citizenship.

    No need for repudiation.

    Surprised you weren't aware of that tbh.
    You said "Gerry Adams is not a British citizen" That would require repudiation...


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    #670
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,605 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Listening to Mary Lou on the news talking of "not playing word games" before promptly playing word games about the IRA murder of Mrs McConville makes me sick.
    And it once again proves what a bunch of unrepentant scum SF really are.
    Lets hope this puts an end to their pre-2016 campaign to rehabilitate the party into something the middleclasses find palatable enough to vote for.
    And lets hope the left wing independents think twice before giving the Shinners their transfers.


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    #671
    CiDeRmAn
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    Honestly, this won't be popular, but Nationalism and Patriotism is a sickness, it poisons instead of empowers people, enhances division and should be consigned to history with embarrassment that we were ever so foolish to worship a flag.


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    #672
    end of the road
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    Barely There wrote: »
    The really sad thing, is that the IRA thugs wouldn't have been able to continue their horrendous campaign of murder and terror for so long without the support of people such as the Shinner apologists stinking up this thread.

    and they wouldn't have got the support if the BA vermin weren't using NI as a large scale slaughter house, murdering their way through the country slaughtering innocents on the streets as they went, it was the british armies fault that the troubles went large scale and the IRA got large public support, if they hadn't murdered those innocent people on bloody sunday the IRA wouldn't have got public support (something which it didn't have before bloody sunday) and possibly they wouldn't have continued their strategy or at least the whole lot may not have been as bad as it got

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #673
    Yggr of Asgard
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    Ok my apologies.

    He is a citizen of the UNITED KINGDOM and was arrested in the UNITED KINGDOM.

    Either way his membership of the dail does not hive him diplomatic immunity.

    He most certainly is not a citizen of the United Kingdom because such thing does not exist.

    He could be a British Citizen next to his Irish Citizenship because he was born in Northern Ireland.

    If he has a passport of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland his citizenship than would show "British Citizen" not "united Kingdom".

    Passports of the UK show different entries for different classes of citizenship in the field for "citizenship". There is no such "UK Citizen". Sure some time ago there was "Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies" but that does not exist anymore.

    He is an Irish citizen, at least that is what he claims on his web pages, bio's etc, he might also hold a British Citizenship which than would mean that as British Citizen he can not claim foreign citizenship rights in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    If he does not have a UK passport than he should be entitled to consular assistance by the Irish Consulate.


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    #674
    LuckyLloyd
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    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Honestly, this won't be popular, but Nationalism and Patriotism is a sickness, it poisons instead of empowers people, enhances division and should be consigned to history with embarrassment that we were ever so foolish to worship a flag.

    Before the world had concepts of nationhood there was plenty of division and war and murder and conflict. The problem is that people in power sometimes are unwilling or incapable of treating those within their power fairly and equally. There are fundamental human failings that exist ahead of nationalism being a problem.


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    #675
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    It is British soil

    no it isn't, its irish soil stolen from ireland
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    we gave up any claim to the North in the GFA

    no we didn't, such giving away of a clame to territory which is ours is illegitimate, so the vote to do so is invalid

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #676
    Barely There
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    dublin-texas wrote: »
    He most certainly is not a citizen of the United Kingdom because such thing does not exist.

    He could be a British Citizen next to his Irish Citizenship because he was born in Northern Ireland.

    If he has a passport of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland his citizenship than would show "British Citizen" not "united Kingdom".

    Passports of the UK show different entries for different classes of citizenship in the field for "citizenship". There is no such "UK Citizen". Sure some time ago there was "Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies" but that does not exist anymore.

    He is an Irish citizen, at least that is what he claims on his web pages, bio's etc, he might also hold a British Citizenship which than would mean that as British Citizen he can not claim foreign citizenship rights in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    If he does not have a UK passport than he should be entitled to consular assistance by the Irish Consulate.

    There's a certain brand of poster who loves to delve into the whole semantics of the UK/British/dual-nationality ****e..

    Surely it would be easier if we can all agree that Gerry is a dickhead and move on?


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    #677
    Red Pepper
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    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Honestly, this won't be popular, but Nationalism and Patriotism is a sickness, it poisons instead of empowers people, enhances division and should be consigned to history with embarrassment that we were ever so foolish to worship a flag.

    Very well put.


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    tomwaterford
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    Barely There wrote: »
    There's a certain brand of poster who loves to delve into the whole semantics of the UK/British/dual-nationality ****e..

    Surely it would be easier if we can all agree that Gerry is a dickhead great irish patriot and move on?

    :P


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bumper234 wrote: »
    He is a citizen of the UNITED KINGDOM and was arrested in the UNITED KINGDOM.

    he is an irish citizen arrested in ireland by foreign invaders
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Either way his membership of the dail does not hive him diplomatic immunity.

    it should

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #680
    ThisRegard
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no it isn't, its irish soil stolen from ireland



    no we didn't, such giving away of a clame to territory which is ours is illegitimate, so the vote to do so is invalid


    So people argue that we should move on and disregard anything that Adams may have been involved in in the past, but arguing about something that happened a few hundred years ago?


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    #681
    Fratton Fred
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no it isn't, its irish soil stolen from ireland



    no we didn't, such giving away of a clame to territory which is ours is illegitimate, so the vote to do so is invalid

    I can never work out if you really are as mad as a box of frogs, or are a super troll.


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    #682
    SEPT 23 1989
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no we didn't, such giving away of a clame to territory which is ours is illegitimate, so the vote to do so is invalid

    the majoity who voted yes would not agree


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    #683
    twowheelsgood
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Before the world had concepts of nationhood there was plenty of division and war and murder and conflict. The problem is that people in power sometimes are unwilling or incapable of treating those within their power fairly and equally. There are fundamental human failings that exist ahead of nationalism being a problem.

    That may be so. But the codology that is nationalism makes things immeasurably worse. Many of the great horrors committed by man against man in history had this nonsense, in one form or another, in the mix somewhere.


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    #684
    Barely There
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I can never work out if you really are as mad as a box of frogs, or are a super troll.

    Stick him on your ignore list.

    It's one of the best decisions you'll ever make.

    Life's too short to waste reading his ****e.


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    end of the road wrote: »
    and they wouldn't have got the support if the BA vermin weren't using NI as a large scale slaughter house, murdering their way through the country slaughtering innocents on the streets as they went, it was the british armies fault that the troubles went large scale and the IRA got large public support, if they hadn't murdered those innocent people on bloody sunday the IRA wouldn't have got public support (something which it didn't have before bloody sunday) and possibly they wouldn't have continued their strategy or at least the whole lot may not have been as bad as it got

    Responsibility for killing

    Republican paramilitary groups 2057
    Loyalist paramilitary groups 1019
    British security forces 363
    Persons unknown 82
    Irish security forces 5
    Total 3526

    According to Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland:


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    #686
    Banjo String
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    Barely There wrote: »
    There's a certain brand of poster who loves to delve into the whole semantics of the UK/British/dual-nationality ****e..

    Surely it would be easier if we can all agree that Gerry is a dickhead and move on?

    There is a certain brand of poster, who gets site banned for a certain style of posts, who seemingly learns very little from his earlier bans.

    "statistical certainty" indeed.


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    #687
    vitani
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    wendell borton wrote: »
    The IRA arose as a response to brutal attacks and discrimination on the nationalist community.

    Ever read 'Animal Farm'?

    Yes, the IRA had their reasons for forming and yes, the nationalist community was being put through hell but it doesn't give them a free pass to do whatever they want in retaliation. The Jean McConville case is a particularly harrowing example of them going too far.


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    #688
    bumper234
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    end of the road wrote: »
    he is an irish citizen arrested in ireland by foreign invaders



    it should

    But it doesn't because he is not a diplomat. Same as any member of the dail.


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    #689
    tomwaterford
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Responsibility for killing

    Republican paramilitary groups 2057
    Loyalist paramilitary groups 1019
    British security forces 363
    Persons unknown 82
    Irish security forces 5
    Total 3526

    According to Malcolm Sutton's Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland:

    1019 + 363 = 1382
    now minus 1000 security forces killed by republicans;)


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    #690
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    1019 + 363 = 1382
    now minus 1000 security forces killed by republicans;)
    1. Provide proof that 1000 people killed by the IRA were security forces.
    2. Members of the police or armed forces not human beings with a right to life.


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    #691
    Nodin
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    1. Provide proof that 1000 people killed by the IRA were security forces.
    2. Members of the police or armed forces not human beings with a right to life.
    1,013
    http://www.cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/book/index.html#append


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