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breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

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    #1232
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    When you consider the publicity this is getting and the polarizing effect it is having, maybe this is a political stunt with one eye of the eu elections.

    Gerry walked in to the police station of his own free will I believe.......


    Ah yes, it's Gerry playing the PR game now, he walked in there and begged them to arrest him, and the poor, misunderstood British establishment fell for his conniving ways, damn you Gerry, daaaammmnnn yoooouuu!


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    #1233
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I hope this phrase gets banned around here soon.
    I hope the practice is banned around here, sooner.
    He made it clear to the Psni that he was available to speak to them at anytime convenient to them over 5weeks ago. No need for tardis/DeLoreans or any other mythical time travel devices.

    Keep up.
    I just dealt with that supposed "point". Keep up yourself.
    They have the same 'evidence' ref state collusion in Loyalist murders on the Boston tapes too. My question remains.

    Why is Jean McConvilles death being given priority over others?

    And can you actually stand up the premise of said question? Which other individuals have been named by BC tapes that have been obtained by the PSNI? Are you certain there's really the same evidence, and different "priorities" for different cases? Or it it merely a convenient rhetorical device to assert the "OMG political policing!" where others would see "investigating a murder".


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    #1234
    bumper234
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    maccored wrote: »
    invite him in for questioning. They should have left that request until after the elections - or do it it sometime before the election season officially kicked off.

    So criminal investigations should only be done at times that suit the suspected criminal involved ?:rolleyes:


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    #1235
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Or maybe they wanted to make.sure he didn't get off on a technicality

    Like?

    Anything he said while being questioned under caution could be used in a case against him, just like anything he said while under arrest could be used against him.


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    #1236
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    William F wrote: »
    Yes it does, everybodies innocent until proven guilty.



    ./QUOTE]

    Not true.

    Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    Big difference.


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    #1237
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Ah yes, it's Gerry playing the PR game now, he walked in there and begged them to arrest him, and the poor, misunderstood British establishment fell for his conniving ways, damn you Gerry, daaaammmnnn yoooouuu!

    Let's face it, Sinn Fein aren't adverse to pulling political stunts.


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    Tramps Like Us
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    When you consider the publicity this is getting and the polarizing effect it is having, maybe this is a political stunt with one eye of the eu elections.

    Gerry walked in to the police station of his own free will I believe.......
    Yeah I'm sure Gerry at the age of 65 is enjoying spending two nights and god knows how long to go in Antrim interrogation center. It was a fiendish plan all along.

    He offered to talk to them 5 weeks ago, the PSNI decided to wait until the election was in full swing before asking him to meet with them. Political policing from the minority continuity ruc elements of the PSNI which will destroy a fair bit of the confidence people have in the PSNI which is really unfair on the ordinary PSNI officer you meet in the street the majority of whom are young and very professional


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    #1239
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Gerry walked in to the police station of his own free will I believe.......

    but not on a date of his choosing.
    In a statement, Mr Adams said while he had concerns about timing, he is "voluntarily meeting with the PSNI this evening".

    If he had organised the when for the meeting, he wouldnt have 'had concerns about timing'


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    #1240
    Lady Spangles
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    donutheadhomer wrote: »
    A guy I know who is into conspiracy theories suspects that Gerry will be found dead in the cell in PSNI station and it will be deemed suicide: not unlike Dr David Kelly

    Yeah, they really are that stupid.

    I think we need a clarification here: David Kelly's own family are satisfied that his death was suicide and that he'd been having suicidal thoughts in the run up to his death (and anyone around when Kelly was questioned could see the man was breaking down badly). Also, the circumstances are completely different. Kelly went for a walk in an isolated area where he took his own life.

    One highly controversial man alone in a prison cell suddenly dropping down dead would be crying out for the Tin Hat Army to mobilse and lay siege to the internet. Not to mention the wider, political and community ramifications of such a foolish action.


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    #1241
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Tramps Like Us wrote: »
    Yeah I'm sure Gerry at the age of 65 is enjoying spending two nights and god knows how long to go in Antrim interrogation center. It was a fiendish plan all along.

    He offered to talk to them 5 weeks ago, the PSNI decided to wait until the election was in full swing before asking him to meet with them. Political policing from the minority continuity ruc elements of the PSNI which will destroy a fair bit of the confidence people have in the PSNI which is really unfair on the ordinary PSNI officer you meet in the street the majority of whom are young and very professional

    My claims are no less farcical than yours to be honest.


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    #1242
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Let's face it, Sinn Fein aren't adverse to pulling political stunts.

    Lets face it, you aren't adverse to being ridiculous in your attempts to defend the honour of the imperial image.


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    #1243
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    No theres not. There no difference in me saying you are innocent or me presuming you to be innocent. Youre still innocent, which means you arent guilty.
    Valetta wrote: »
    William F wrote: »
    Yes it does, everybodies innocent until proven guilty.



    ./QUOTE]

    Not true.

    Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    Big difference.


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    #1244
    William F
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭William F


    bumper234 wrote: »
    People get released without charge all of the time

    That is why the law upholds the presumption of innocence


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    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Valetta wrote: »
    Why hasn't he sued them up to now?

    Just because he isn't charged doesn't prove him innocent.

    Maccored (and doubtless others) seem to think that "interviewed and not charged" somehow establishes that one is innocent on the balance of the evidence, innocent in fact, unable to be held liable in civil suit, and have a cast-iron case for libel if people continue to say "yeah, probably did it". Never mind it's been explained slowly and clearly that this is not the case.


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    #1246
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Lets face it, you aren't adverse to being ridiculous in your attempts to defend the honour of the imperial image.

    You're not adverse to talking bollox, but we can't all be perfect.


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    zl1whqvjs75cdy
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    Do people really thing the psni give a **** about Irish local elections. This political stunt theory is total rubbish.


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    #1248
    William F
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭William F


    donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »
    Do people really thing the psni give a **** about Irish local elections. This political stunt theory is total rubbish.

    It's on the same day as European elections genius.


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    Maphisto
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    The decide to arrest him, when they could have just as easily questioned him under cation.

    Sorry but thats Bollox. If you are not under arrest you can up and leave the first question you do not like.


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    #1250
    maccored
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    The suspected criminal? IN reality its the person who offered to meet the PSNI of his own free will at a date that suited. Its a pretty important time for a politician right this minute, so inviting him in, in the middle of an election is a bit of a ****e thing to do to a TD.

    If they had arrested him without his voluntary presentation then that would be another thing. but they hadnt the reason to arrest him outright.

    Considering the fallout this will have on the PSNI and how republicans in the north view the PSNI - they could have been a bit diplomatic and realise now just isnt a good time, and in fact makes the place look a bit like animal farm.

    bumper234 wrote: »
    So criminal investigations should only be done at times that suit the suspected criminal involved ?:rolleyes:


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    #1251
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    maccored wrote: »
    but not on a date of his choosing.

    If he had organised the when for the meeting, he wouldnt have 'had concerns about timing'

    Are you suggesting he could just stroll up at his will and make a statement?


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    #1252
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Your not adverse to talking bollox, but we can't all be perfect.

    Very unparliamentary language there Fredrick. Very telling of your roots in a maritime environment.


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    #1253
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    you forgetting about the elections in the north?
    donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »
    Do people really thing the psni give a **** about Irish local elections. This political stunt theory is total rubbish.


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    #1254
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »
    Do people really thing the psni give a **** about Irish local elections. This political stunt theory is total rubbish.

    There are local an European elections in the North next month as well you know?


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    #1255
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    when did i suggest that? You should trying reading my posts Fred.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Are you suggesting he could just stroll up at his will and make a statement?


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    #1256
    Seaneh
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    Maphisto wrote: »
    Sorry but thats Bollox. If you are not under arrest you can up and leave the first question you do not like.

    If he chose to leave then they could have arrested him, and at least said it was because he was refusing to cooperate with proceedings and they wanted ask specific questions.


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    #1257
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Very unparliamentary language there Fredrick. Very telling of your roots in a maritime environment.

    Meh. I am mortified about my grammar though😱


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    #1258
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    So if someone isnt guilty, then they can kinda still be guilty .... ? Even after the PSNI quizzing the man for days and they cant find enough credible evidence to charge him with anything? He's still guilty even after that? Jaysus ... animal farm is right.

    alaimacerc wrote: »
    Maccored (and doubtless others) seem to think that "interviewed and not charged" somehow establishes that one is innocent on the balance of the evidence, innocent in fact, unable to be held liable in civil suit, and have a cast-iron case for libel if people continue to say "yeah, probably did it". Never mind it's been explained slowly and clearly that this is not the case.


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    bumper234
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    maccored wrote: »
    The suspected criminal? IN reality its the person who offered to meet the PSNI of his own free will at a date that suited. Its a pretty important time for a politician right this minute, so inviting him in, in the middle of an election is a bit of a ****e thing to do to a TD.

    If they had arrested him without his voluntary presentation then that would be another thing. but they hadnt the reason to arrest him outright.

    Considering the fallout this will have on the PSNI and how republicans in the north view the PSNI - they could have been a bit diplomatic and realise now just isnt a good time, and in fact makes the place look a bit like animal farm.

    Have you ever known someone to be arrested who isn't a suspected criminal?


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    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Seaneh wrote: »
    The decide to arrest him, when they could have just as easily questioned him under cation.

    Do you believe that everyone whose interview is sought in connection with a murder investigation deserves this courtesy? And to be thereby terminate the questioning at a moment of their choosing? Or is this another aspect of Adams' immunity badge?


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    #1261
    maccored
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    yes.

    the PSNI arrested me once, as they wanted me for questioning. I wasnt a criminal though. They arrested me so they could put me in a cell before taking me out for 10 mins of questioning. Then happy I had no involvement in what it was they released me. It happens quite a lot. though no longer to me. that was when I was a teenager.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Have you ever known someone to be arrested who isn't a suspected criminal?


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