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breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

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    #2312
    My name is URL
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Wrong being released with a file going to the public prosecution service.

    That is being accurate, being released without charge is not accurate.

    Just quit while you're behind
    Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams will be released from police custody without charge after being held over a 1972 murder and a file will be sent to the Public Prosecution Service, the BBC has learned

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27278039


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    #2313
    Seaneh
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Wrong being released with a file going to the public prosecution service.

    That is being accurate, being released without charge is not accurate.

    Is he being released? Yes.

    Has he been charged? No.

    Is he therefore currently being released without charge? Er, obviously, yes.


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    #2314
    RobertKK
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    Is he being released? Yes.

    Has he been charged? No.

    Is he therefore currently being released without charge? Er, obviously, yes.

    That doesn't mean without charge, one can put blinkers on and not see a file is being sent to the public prosecution service which means a threat of charges hang over Gerry Adams.


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    #2315
    Da Shins Kelly
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Wrong being released with a file going to the public prosecution service.

    That is being accurate, being released without charge is not accurate.

    Good Lord.


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    #2316
    Happyman42
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    And he is free.
    PSNI ‏@PoliceServiceNI 3m
    65 year old man arrested by Detectives investigating the abduction and murder of Jean McConville has been released pending report to PPS


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    #2317
    Seaneh
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    That doesn't mean without charge...

    It means exactly that.


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    #2318
    Da Shins Kelly
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    That doesn't mean without charge, one can put blinkers on and not see a file is being sent to the public prosecution service which means a threat of charges hang over Gerry Adams.

    I suspect if they had enough evidence to charge him, they would have done it already. They wouldn't be saying that they're releasing him "without charge".


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    #2319
    Happyman42
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    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    I suspect if they had enough evidence to charge him, they would have done it already. They wouldn't be saying that they're releasing him "without charge".

    Exactly...press conference later tonight, that will be interesting.


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    #2320
    ArmaniJeanss
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    He must have sung like a canary.


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    #2321
    RobertKK
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Exactly...press conference later tonight, that will be interesting.

    Gerry will say he was never in the IRA, which everyone believes, right?


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    #2322
    Da Shins Kelly
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    Have to laugh at all the loyalists down there protesting at the police station. Like they give a fcuk about what happened to Jean McConville.


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    #2323
    RandomName2
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    And he is free.


    Praise da lord!
    RobertKK wrote: »
    That doesn't mean without charge, one can put blinkers on and not see a file is being sent to the public prosecution service which means a threat of charges hang over Gerry Adams.

    In all fairness, it means without charge. He may later be arrested again and charged (although hiiighly unlikely), but that nevertheless means as of now, without charge.


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    Jawgap
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    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    I suspect if they had enough evidence to charge him, they would have done it already. They wouldn't be saying that they're releasing him "without charge".

    They were never going to charge him with the woman's murder......the case is complicated and historic, therefore it's only natural for it to be referred to the PPS for direction / consideration. They'll decide whether a prosecution is laid and who it is laid against, based on the usual two tests - evidence & public interest.


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    #2325
    William F
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Gerry will say he was never in the IRA, which everyone believes, right?

    My opinion on the man wouldn't change if he was.


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    Seaneh
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Gerry will say he was never in the IRA, which everyone believes, right?

    That's for those making the accusation to prove, he can no more prove he wasn't in the IRA than I can prove that unicorns don't exist.

    Either those who claim he was prove it and he is tried for it, or people need to just drop it.


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    #2327
    nacho libre
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    That doesn't mean without charge, one can put blinkers on and not see a file is being sent to the public prosecution service which means a threat of charges hang over Gerry Adams.

    if he has not been charged, and is being released, what else could it mean:confused: a charge may yet come, but clearly if there was enough evidence he would have been charged by now. i get you don't like him, but why engage in futile semantics?


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    #2328
    Happyman42
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Gerry will say he was never in the IRA, which everyone believes, right?


    Well if the PSNI and the British don't have evidence enough to charge him, what can I say?


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    #2329
    Busted Flat.
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Gerry will say he was never in the IRA, which everyone believes, right?

    When this is over, who will be the first to start the next anti Sinn Fein thread.


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    #2330
    delthedriver
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Gerry will say he was never in the IRA, which everyone believes, right?



    Of course! ( Nodding & Smiling )


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    #2331
    RandomName2
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well if the PSNI and the British don't have evidence enough to charge him, what can I say?

    Well, you could wink and nudge.


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    #2332
    delthedriver
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    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    When this is over, who will be the first to start the next anti Sinn Fein thread.



    But this is not an anti Sinn Fein thread!



    ( breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville)


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    #2333
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Gerry will say he was never in the IRA, which everyone believes, right?

    Of course he will say that, he is hardly going to incriminate himself and get 5 years in prison!:confused:


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    #2334
    Jawgap
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    if he has not been charged, and is being released, what else could it mean:confused: a charge may yet come, but clearly if there was enough evidence he would have been charged by now. i get you don't like him, but why engage in futile semantics?

    Not necessarily - for some offences, conspiracy would be a good example, there is a strong 'mental' element. That needs a thorough review before a decision to proceed can be made - which means the senior bods in the PPS will want to have a long hard look at what they have (and don't have) before deciding to proceed.

    In fact, if I was a betting man the police were probably under instructions not to charge him from the outset. They were probably told just to interview him.


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    #2335
    RobertKK
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    William F wrote: »
    My opinion on the man wouldn't change if he was.

    Well most people believe he was in the IRA, and we know from Martin McGuinness that isn't a problem now.
    The problem for Gerry though is he tells the electorate he wasn't, and most people believe he was.
    Most people find it hard to trust someone they believe is telling them lies.


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    #2336
    RandomName2
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Of course he will say that, he is hardly going to incriminate himself and get 5 years in prison!:confused:

    Wait, tell the truth? Jaysus.


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    #2337
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Wait, tell the truth? Jaysus.

    If it is the truth you want, offer immunity then


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    #2338
    RobertKK
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    if he has not been charged, and is being released, what else could it mean:confused: a charge may yet come, but clearly if there was enough evidence he would have been charged by now. i get you don't like him, but why engage in futile semantics?

    But would people expect Gerry Adams to tell the truth so he would get charged?


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    #2339
    delthedriver
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    If it is the truth you want, offer immunity then



    Offer Adams immunity? Why? Are you serious?


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    #2340
    RobertKK
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    Jawgap wrote: »
    Not necessarily - for some offences, conspiracy would be a good example, there is a strong 'mental' element. That needs a thorough review before a decision to proceed can be made - which means the senior bods in the PPS will want to have a long hard look at what they have (and don't have) before deciding to proceed.

    In fact, if I was a betting man the police were probably under instructions not to charge him from the outset. They were probably told just to interview him.


    Like in the Guardian where they have an article about the choice of justice or peace, and in places where there was war, we can't have both justice and peace.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/02/gerry-adams-jean-mcconville-south-africa-painful-compromise

    Sinn Fein weren't long in changing their tune about the PSNI when it didn't suit them.

    I don't think Adams will be charged as there are so many from all sides including the state who have avoided prosecution for crimes.


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    #2341
    Gatling
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    But would people expect Gerry Adams to tell the truth so he would get charged?


    Highly doubt he or others will ever tell the truth ,


    People who live a lie for so long end up believing the lie
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