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Banjo String

tomwaterford wrote: »

can you imagine enda Kenny giving press conference like that

Not really.

I can imagine the milage he'll get out of this until the DPP decide there is nothing worth charging him over though.

Enda isn't fit to lace Gerry's shoes in the competence and demeanour dept.

padma

a bit off topic but, first time i've watched rte news in years...since when has it become red white and blue along the borders? serious question. as in the colouring is similar to sky news, the british flags colours?

Lord Trollington

padma wrote: »

a bit off topic but, first time i've watched rte news in years...since when has it become red white and blue along the borders? serious question. as in the colouring is similar to sky news, the british flags colours?

You need to get out a little more.

Fred Swanson

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Da Shins Kelly

My name is URL wrote: »

Their courts seemed okay with it. Lots of academics are saying that it has destroyed reputations and trust within their circles. Not many are going to speak candidly about the past when foreign bodies can demand for stuff to be handed over for such purposes.

I imagine it will destroy trust, and will certainly damage any future academic projects on this stuff too. Who is going to want to talk about anything now if there is a risk it's going to end up in the hands of the police and used against them?

Da Shins Kelly

tomwaterford wrote: »

can you imagine enda Kenny giving press conference like that

Enda Kenny won't even take part in a televised debate.

tomwaterford

Banjo String wrote: »

Not really.

I can imagine the milage he'll get out of this until the DPP decide there is nothing worth charging him over though.

Enda isn't fit to lace Gerry's shoes in the competence and demeanour dept.

risky plan though will look foolish if adams never charged
then again a lot of the time he looks foolish when he geos up against adams opens his mouth

Phoebas

Busted Flat. wrote: »

On your day to day do your own poll, ask someone next to you in a bus train chipper or restaurant, what their views might be, I can tell you, you will be fookin shocked. I do that sort of thing.

I do ask around and I hear a different story (but maybe confirmation bias plays a part), but past electoral results and polls tell the story.
SF tend to have a strong core vote but are transfer toxic - they're a marmite party that people tend to either love or hate, and that's mainly down to the connection with their violent past.

delthedriver

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

BBC News saying they cant understand what he is saying as he is talking in Gaelic

Nor does Gerry! It is a foreign language to him!

Nodin

Phoebas wrote: »

I do ask around and I hear a different story (but maybe confirmation bias plays a part), but past electoral results and polls tell the story.
SF tend to have a strong core vote but are transfer toxic - they're a marmite party that people tend to either love or hate, and that's mainly down to the connection with their violent past.

yes, but the core is slowly but steadily growing, that's the important thing.

Little CuChulainn

My name is URL wrote: »

People are regularly charged before any file is prepared for the public prosecutor... if there's enough evidence, like =/

Police in this case had 42 years worth of evidence and obviously still not enough to charge him with anything.

You show me a 42 year old coldcase where someone was charged after questioning. They have to follow up on what was said to them during the interview. That's the whole point of questioning someone.

Happyman42 wrote: »

:D My answer to that used to be...'if he's guilty and you have the evidence, charge him'.

It's a poor answer.

padma

Lord Trollington wrote: »

You need to get out a little more.

or maybe im out and about most of the time and just shun the news usually.

Fred Swanson

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Busted Flat.

tomwaterford wrote: »

can you imagine enda Kenny giving press conference like that

He would be afraid in case Ursula Halligan might be there, the last time she tried to talk to him she threw him over a flower pot.

Sunnyisland

tomwaterford wrote: »

can you imagine enda Kenny giving press conference like that

Sure Enda won't even face Vincent brown don't mind the psni , but then again he might have a point ....

tomwaterford

Nodin wrote: »

yes, but the core is slowly but steadily growing, that's the important thing.

but at what cost???
are they compromising too far on there core belief to chase votes that are flakey at best

do they want to be chasing votes that will flie every time there is a troubles related arrest...short of a truth commission this nonsense of political policing (which ineffect it was) could carry on for another 20 - 30 years

Lord Trollington

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I agree. I think this episode won't harm SF one bit. Quite the opposite actually.

Dyr

Lord Trollington wrote: »

His shady past aside he is one of the most articulate and competent politicians there is.

It's something their detractors forget when they bang on about sinn fein not having a clue. The likes of adams have been swimming with the biggest fish in politics since the 90s, they have more experience of top level chicanery than goons like enda and eamonn who have rings run around them by their european betters

Happyman42

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I imagine it will destroy trust, and will certainly damage any future academic projects on this stuff too. Who is going to want to talk about anything now if there is a risk it's going to end up in the hands of the police and used against them?

Martin Mansergh, who would be no slouch in these things and certainly has nothing to gain was of the opinion that the statute governing this is a little known agreement between Britain and the US that was deliberately obscured from the researchers and interviewees.
Make of that what you will.

Phoebas

Nodin wrote: »

yes, but the core is slowly but steadily growing, that's the important thing.

It is for sure - the more clear blue water put between SF and the past, the better it is for SF.
This episode bring the past back into focus and so I'd expect SF to suffer for it at least until the CPS decide what to do.

Da Shins Kelly

Yeah, you could say a lot of things about the likes of Adams and McGuinness, but I don't think anyone could ever accuse them of being incompetent or not having what it takes politically. They were playing in the big leagues when Enda Kenny was still teaching Irish to schoolchildren in Castlebar.

dxhound2005

Bambi wrote: »

It's something their detractors forget when they bang on about sinn fein not having a clue. The likes of adams have been swimming with the biggest fish in politics since the 90s, they have more experience of top level chicanery than goons like enda and eamonn who have rings run around them by their european betters

If this was another TD who has two houses on the average industrial wage and who got his medical treatement in America paid for by a millionaire people would be asking hard questions instead of fawning over him.

Iwasfrozen

Busted Flat. wrote: »

On your day to day do your own poll, ask someone next to you in a bus train chipper or restaurant, what their views might be, I can tell you, you will be fookin shocked. I do that sort of thing.

I'd be pretty shocked if some weirdo asked me my political views on the train.

tomwaterford

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If this was another TD who has two houses on the average industrial wage and who got his medical treatement in America paid for by a millionaire people would be asking hard questions instead of fawning over him.

this was very suspect...
serious political hay could have been made there...why was there not??
politically it would have been more effective than throwing around jean mcconvilles name at him

.but alas he is as close to a proper Politian we have in Ireland...if was in Europe for the bailout he wouldn't have been codded

Micky Dolenz

The people who hate him and SF will hate them more.

The people who love him and SF will love them more.

The status quo is maintained.

end of the road

oldyouth wrote: »

It always makes me smile, no matter how often I hear it. Perhaps you're "browned off" at this stage

well it isn't funny, its discusting, grow up and show some respect

rockatansky

Phoebas wrote: »

This episode bring the past back into focus and so I'd expect SF to suffer for it at least until the CPS decide what to do.

I disagree. As far as Press Conferences go today's was a big success for them and are going to hit the ground running after this. Adams made a mockery of the whole detention and Judicial process, coupled with the images of the Flag nut jobs still clinging on to the past, he put firmly himself as the only person looking forward to the future.

Lastlight.

tomwaterford wrote: »

this was very suspect...
serious political hay could have been made there...why was there not??
politically it would have been more effective than throwing around jean mcconvilles name at him

.but alas he is as close to a proper Politian we have in Ireland...if was in Europe for the bailout he wouldn't have been codded

His whole life is suspect and you are surprised that he actually isn't a Socialist? The people in Sinn Fein now would have Wolfe Tone and Henry Joy McCracken turning in their graves. The days when Republicanism was at its best.

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If this was another TD who has two houses on the average industrial wage and who got his medical treatement in America paid for by a millionaire people would be asking hard questions instead of fawning over him.

Gerry Adams, also successful author and spokesperson.

My name is URL

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You show me a 42 year old coldcase where someone was charged after questioning.

No.

You said that everyone has their case reviewed by prosecutors before they are charged by police. That is blatantly untrue.

Stop shifting the goalposts.

If police have enough evidence to charge a person then they will do so. They have 42 years worth of evidence in Adams' case.. and it still wasn't enough to convince them that it's worth pursuing. Them's the facts.