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breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

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    #242
    que pasa
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 91 ✭✭que pasa


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    But the murdering terrorists won't be viewed similarly?

    Just a second. Can anyone explain to me what the whole state visit to Britain was about with the Republic of Ireland President Michael D. Higgins?

    They talked a lot about reconciliation and the like but am I right in guessing it is just for show and that there is no real substance or intent in what they are saying?


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    #243
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    Stheno wrote: »
    Have you ever looked at voting by demographic?

    The young vote are least likely to actually vote.

    It will be at least twenty years before SF become challengers here imo

    They're already challengers


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    #244
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    donfers wrote: »
    People like you who describe them in those terms were never likely to vote for them anyway, Sinn Fein are targeting a younger more liberal and progressive-minded electorate, they're just going to grow and grow - that's the reality, some people like living in the past and are consumed by their own bitterness (and that's understandable) but others are trying to find a way forward - this will not hurt Sinn Fein, those who hate them will always hate them but because of the state of the other parties in Ireland and the lack of viable alternatives to establishment politics, Sinn Fein is going to reap the rewards of this disillusion unless a new party comes along pronto

    Gibberish. SF are the new masters of soft socialism and pie-in-the-sky populism. A progressive electorate would realise that their brand of snake oil is just the same as the others only with a new label and a whiff of semtex off the bottle.


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    #245
    The Aussie
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    did he not turn up to police ststion make himself available for questioning??

    Make himself available! Is that before he got called in or after?


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    #246
    ThisRegard
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    que pasa wrote: »
    Just a second. Can anyone explain to me what the whole state visit to Britain was about with the Republic of Ireland President Michael D. Higgins?

    They talked a lot about reconciliation and the like but am I right in guessing it is just for show and that there is no real substance or intent in what they are saying?

    Seriously? Was there some document signed during the visit decreeing that crimes up to that point are to be ignored ?


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    #247
    mickydoomsux
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    que pasa wrote: »
    Just a second. Can anyone explain to me what the whole state visit to Britain was about with the Republic of Ireland President Michael D. Higgins?

    They talked a lot about reconciliation and the like but am I right in guessing it is just for show and that there is no real substance or intent in what they are saying?

    It was about tourism.


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    #248
    tomwaterford
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Have you ever looked at voting by demographic?

    The young vote are least likely to actually vote.

    It will be at least twenty years before SF become challengers here imo


    but what is not said is the young are more likely to vote for them (if they turn up;))


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    #249
    .jacksparrow.
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Seriously? Was there some document signed during the visit decreeing that crimes up to that point are to be ignored ?

    Well where do you draw the line, what year or century do we stop looking for justice?

    1800, 1920, 1960...

    When?


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    #250
    tomwaterford
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    The Aussie wrote: »
    Make himself available! Is that before he got called in or after?

    before....his solicter was onto them (PSNI) !!!


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    #251
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Did I say it was okay?



    What? Try to make sense.



    Did I say it was okay?



    That post was mean't for neither of you. Are you guys Madsl's little helpers or something?

    dont be a dumb ass, and , no i am not anyone's helper , your'e just posting scutter


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    #252
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    I hope they've brought Grizzly a cup of tea and a sandwich at this stage. The man is almost a pensioner.


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    #253
    ThisRegard
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Well where do you draw the line, what year or century do we stop looking for justice?

    1800, 1920, 1960...

    When?

    There's not too many people around that can remember 1800 or 1920, never mind around to be prosecuted for any crimes that they may have been involved in back then.

    Should we also stop prosecuting people involved with historical cases of child sexual abuse?


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    #254
    R P McMurphy
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    Can't see him being charged. The last thing the British government would want is a trial where the secrets of the dirty war were teased out in a court room


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    #255
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There's not too many people around that can remember 1800 or 1920, never mind around to be prosecuted for any crimes that they may have been involved in back then.

    Should we also stop prosecuting people involved with historical cases of child sexual abuse?

    Im talking in context of the troubled history between Ireland and England which were told to forget and move on, but then it's used by ff and fg to score political points and the rest.


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    #256
    Seaneh
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    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Can't see him being charged. The last thing the British government would want is a trial where the secrets of the dirty war were teased out in a court room

    This is pretty much my feelings of the case. Whatever Gerry's sins may be, the government of the UK are hiding bigger abd don't want them to come out.


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    #257
    Stheno
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    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Can't see him being charged. The last thing the British government would want is a trial where the secrets of the dirty war were teased out in a court room

    He'd probably be tried in their equivalent of our Special Criminal Court, where there are no juries, just a panel of judges.


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    #258
    ThisRegard
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Im talking in context of the troubled history between Ireland and England which were told to forget and move on, but then it's used by ff and fg to score political points and the rest.

    Ah, so FF and FG arranged his arrest now?


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    #259
    Karl Stein
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    dont be a dumb ass, and , no i am not anyone's helper , your just posting scutter

    Sweet irony.


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    #260
    The Aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    before....his solicter was onto them (PSNI) !!!

    So let me get this straight, you are saying the Gerry Adams's Solicitor contacted the OSNI to say "yeh we are coming in on Wednesday there, can you have 20 Questions lined up there for us"

    Or if you engage your frontal lobe would the PSNI have made contact and said we gave a few Questions we have for your Client...

    So hence he did not just present himself.


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    #261
    .jacksparrow.
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Ah, so FF and FG arranged his arrest now?

    Sigh. I never said that, the conversation was about the presidents visit to England and how we're all told to forget and move on.


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    #262
    The Diabolical Monocle
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    Stheno wrote: »
    He'd probably be tried in their equivalent of our Special Criminal Court, where there are no juries, just a panel of judges.

    We the British establishment find you guilty of murder. lol.


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    #263
    mickydoomsux
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Ah, so FF and FG arranged his arrest now?

    Well, duh.

    It's not that he was a terrorist leader or anything. It's all a FG/FF shellgame that's been organised years in advance. That's the most likely explanation.


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    #264
    Karl Stein
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    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    the secrets of the dirty war

    Indeed. Brand GB must be protected at all costs.


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    #265
    Stheno
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    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    We the British establishment find you guilty of murder. lol.

    That's how our special criminal court works too?


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    #266
    tomwaterford
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    The Aussie wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, you are saying the Gerry Adams's Solicitor contacted the OSNI to say "yeh we are coming in on Wednesday there, can you have 20 Questions lined up there for us"

    Or if you engage your frontal lobe would the PSNI have made contact and said we gave a few Questions we have for your Client...

    So hence he did not just present himself.


    http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/29746


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    #267
    Diabhal Beag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    The man had one heck of a twitter game. You literally couldn't imagine it was the same man with these allegations hanging over him.


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    #268
    que pasa
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There's not too many people around that can remember 1800 or 1920, never mind around to be prosecuted for any crimes that they may have been involved in back then.

    Should we also stop prosecuting people involved with historical cases of child sexual abuse?

    Since we're on the topic of the past does anyone remember this?

    wrote:
    In 1879 Pigott was proprietor of three newspapers, which he soon sold to the Irish Land League, of which Charles Stewart Parnell was president. Hitherto a violent Nationalist, from 1884 Pigott began to vilify his former associates and to sell information to their political opponents. In an effort to destroy Parnell's career, Pigott produced fake letters, which purported that Parnell had supported one of the Phoenix Park murders.

    The Times bought Pigott's forgeries for £1,780 and published the most damning letter on 18 April 1887. Parnell immediately denounced it as "a villainous and barefaced forgery". In February 1889, the Parnell Commission vindicated him by proving that the letters were forgeries. They included misspellings (specifically 'hesitancy') which Pigott had written elsewhere. A libel action instituted by Parnell also vindicated him, and his parliamentary career survived the Pigott accusations.

    The Commission eventually produced 37 volumes in evidence, covering not just the forgeries but also the surrounding violence that followed from the Plan of Campaign.

    After admitting his forgeries to Henry Labouchère, Pigott fled to Spain, and shot himself in a Madrid hotel room. Parnell then sued The Times for libel, and the newspaper paid him £5000 in an out-of-court settlement, as well as considerably more in legal fees. When Parnell next entered the House of Commons, he received a standing ovation from his fellow Members of Parliament.


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    #269
    The Aussie
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    What? Try to make sense.

    Your story, oh yeh cool story Bro.

    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Ethel Rosenberg.

    The US government executed a Ethel Rosenberg for collaborating with the Soviets leaving two children without a Mother and when they executed Julius Rosenberg they orphaned them.
    Karl Stein wrote: »

    Did I say it was okay?

    By bringing in other cases to dilute this one you are, both just as horrendous but at least the Rosenbegs had a Trial not just an Exucution.
    Karl Stein wrote: »


    That post was mean't for neither of you. Are you guys Madsl's little helpers or something?

    What so no one else is allowed to disagree and take umberance with your hyperbole?


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    #270
    The Diabolical Monocle
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    Stheno wrote: »
    That's how our special criminal court works too?

    I guess, its just the irony in who's doing the judging.


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    #271
    Tramps Like Us
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    Diabhal Beag wrote: »
    The man had one heck of a twitter game. You literally couldn't imagine it was the same man with these allegations hanging over him.
    A lot of people have an impression of him formed by his media appearances most of which where antagonistic interviews. If you ever talk to him personally you'll see a totally different person.


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