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breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

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    #2702
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    that man should be left alone (irish media take note) and not be attacked on the internet...it was bad enough his mother had to die...he should be told the truth of what happened
    this not a thing he will ever get over 100%

    that poor frazer lad is in the same boat...they are being used by people who don't have there best interests at heart...only wanting to damage a political party which has set out to challenge the status quo

    I do not disagree that he should be left alone and respected.

    My response was to counter that he disputed the IRA had disbanded.


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    #2703
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    umop.episdn wrote: »
    Pity the same right wasn't afforded to Jean McConville

    And now her survivors are being told to shut up:
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It i time for the McConvilles to either do what they say they can do or be quiet quite frankly.

    Disturbing.


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    #2704
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Gatling wrote: »

    I liked michael mcconville suggestion for an outside international review/ investigation of his mothers kidnap and killing ,

    They could start by asking Michael some questions first...


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    #2705
    Busted Flat.
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    The best way to sort this out is to release the war diaries of the First Gloucestershire Regiment, which are sealed for the next 50 years what are the brits hiding.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthebrokenelbow.com%2F2013%2F07%2F14%2Fplea-to-mcconville-family-join-us-in-bid-for-british-army-papers%2F&ei=g8JmU6LrPKqg7Ab69oDQDw&usg=AFQjCNEeogah46TyqE9EMgfP0F_a5DJ8EQ


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    #2706
    Gatling
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    wazky wrote: »
    They could start by asking Micheal some questions first...

    ????

    Like what exactly ,
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    #2707
    wazky
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    Gatling wrote: »
    ????

    Like what exactly ,

    Well he has admitted he knows who shot his mother so that would be a good a place as any to start


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    #2708
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭howiya


    Phoebas wrote: »
    And now her survivors are being told to shut up:


    Disturbing.

    I'd disagree with how you read that posters comments. This family that are baying for justice have twice this week publicly stated that they have information that would help the police's investigation.

    Either they are interested in justice for the appalling death of their mother or they are not. They can't have it both ways.

    If it was my mother I certainly wouldn't have waited 42 years. Threats or no threats


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    #2709
    rob316
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    Follow him on twitter he's brilliant. Funny guy.


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    #2710
    Gatling
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    wazky wrote: »
    Well he has admitted he knows who shot his mother so that would be a good as place as any to start

    Complete hypothetical answer below

    What if he said gerry adams ,


    Would people believe him or cry conspiracy
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    #2711
    Phoebas
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    howiya wrote: »
    If it was my mother I certainly wouldn't have waited 42 years. Threats or no threats
    That's pretty easy to say since your mother presumably wasn't abducted, tortured and murdered and you weren't abducted and you haven't had your life threatened if you talked.


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    #2712
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Gatling wrote: »
    Complete hypothetical answer below

    What if he said gerry adams ,


    Would people believe him or cry conspiracy

    As you said hypothetical, so basically a bullshtie answer..


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    #2713
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    wazky wrote: »
    As you said hypothetical, so basically a bullshtie answer..

    Thats that settled then
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    #2714
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Gatling wrote: »
    Thats that settled then

    Because you have no answer?


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    #2715
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭howiya


    Phoebas wrote: »
    That's pretty easy to say since your mother presumably wasn't abducted, tortured and murdered and you weren't abducted and you haven't had your life threatened if you talked.

    If you had evidence of a crime would you talk to the police or would you let the perpetrators away with it?


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    #2716
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    wazky wrote: »
    Because you have no answer?

    You asked a question

    I gave an answer,

    And you replied ,

    So it probably wouldn't matter who Michael mcconville identified then
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    #2717
    Busted Flat.
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    umop.episdn wrote: »
    Pity the same right wasn't afforded to Jean McConville

    Joan Connolly a mother of eight was shot by a low life para behind sandbags, she was shot in the face by this hero. What did she do, walking along the road with the main thought in her mind was what she was going to make for dinner for her eight kids.
    Announced last week by the secretary of state, it didn't warrant an investigation. What standards do these ba$tards have.


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    #2718
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Gatling wrote: »
    You asked a question

    I gave an answer,

    And you replied ,

    So it probably wouldn't matter who Michael mcconville identified then

    It wasnt an answer though, you just bent your agenda into another whatabout scenario.


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    #2719
    Phoebas
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    howiya wrote: »
    If you had evidence of a crime would you talk to the police or would you let the perpetrators away with it?
    If I thought my life was in danger I'd probably stay stum. You?


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    #2720
    Happyman42
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    Disturbing.

    What is disturbing about it? What is it they want done if they themselves won't say what it is they know?


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    #2721
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    wazky wrote: »
    It wasnt an answer though, you just bent your agenda into another whatabout scenario.

    No and No

    I haven't bent any agenda
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    #2722
    wazky
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    Gatling wrote: »
    No and No

    I haven't bent any agenda

    You could have said the Pope shot her for all the sense it made.


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    #2723
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭howiya


    Phoebas wrote: »
    If I thought my life was in danger I'd probably stay stum. You?

    That's not the question I asked you. Police forces all over the world require the cooperation of society to assist them in obtaining convictions in all sorts of different cases.

    You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. It would appear that the McConvilles do not want to be part of the solution and instead expect others to make that step for them.


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    #2724
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    wazky wrote: »
    You could have said the Pope shot her for all the sense it made.

    But I didn't mention the pope,

    I gave a simple hypothetical answer to your question,
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    #2725
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Gatling wrote: »
    But I didn't mention the pope,

    I gave a simple hypothetical answer to your question,

    Well I'm sure Gerry Adams would be investigated as he should be if that scenario occurred and either found to be guilty or not guilty.

    Why he hasn't released the information is bizzare though.


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    #2726
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    howiya wrote: »
    If you had evidence of a crime would you talk to the police or would you let the perpetrators away with it?
    Phoebas wrote: »
    If I thought my life was in danger I'd probably stay stum. You?
    howiya wrote: »
    That's not the question I asked you.
    Eh, yeah ... that is the question you asked me.

    howiya wrote: »
    You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. It would appear that the McConvilles do not want to be part of the solution and instead expect others to make that step for them.
    My God! So now the McConvilles are 'part of the problem'
    This is bringing blaming the victims to a new high.


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    #2727
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    howiya wrote: »
    That's not the question I asked you. Police forces all over the world require the cooperation of society to assist them in obtaining convictions in all sorts of different cases.

    You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. It would appear that the McConvilles do not want to be part of the solution and instead expect others to make that step for them.



    It is most certainly a difficult one. No doubt they wasn't justice for their mother.
    The sad thing is if the pursue the matter with the police they live in fear of being gunned down by one of the brave men who has one hand on a ballot box and the other on a gun.
    If they are to get closure in this whole matter, the only way they can do that is by talking to the PSNI,
    If I were in their shoes, I would be willing to take that risk and bring a conclusion to a matter which has haunted them for years. Living everyday with that burden is a living hell.


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    #2728
    Happyman42
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    delthedriver wrote: »
    It is most certainly a difficult one. No doubt they wasn't justice for their mother.
    The sad thing is if the pursue the matter with the police they live in fear of being gunned down by one of the brave men who has one hand on a ballot box and the other on a gun.
    If they are to get closure in this whole matter, the only way they can do that is by talking to the PSNI,
    If I were in their shoes, I would be willing to take that risk and bring a conclusion to a matter which has haunted them for years. Living everyday with that burden is a living hell.

    It would want to be a very f**king stupid big 'brave man' who would let them talk to the police first and then gun them down. That doesn't make any kind of sense, there is no threat to them, it would have manifested itself long ago.


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    #2729
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭howiya


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Eh, yeah ... that is the question you asked me.



    My God! So now the McConvilles are 'part of the problem'
    This is bringing blaming the victims to a new high.

    The question I asked you has a simple yes or no answer so I'll repeat it. If you had evidence of a crime would you talk to the police or would you let the perpetrators away with it?

    I am in no way blaming the victims. They did not deserve to lose their mother all those years ago and those responsible should be punished. However if they refuse to give information to the police which may result in assisting in obtaining convictions against those responsible then yes they are part of the problem.

    In many criminal cases it is the testimony of the victims that secures a conviction. What do the family expect the police to do without the information?


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    #2730
    delthedriver
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It would want to be a very f**king stupid big 'brave man' who would let them talk to the police first and then gun them down. That doesn't make any kind of sense, there is no threat to them, it would have manifested itself long ago.



    What would you suggest they do?


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    #2731
    JohnInDublin59
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭JohnInDublin59


    howiya wrote: »
    If you had evidence of a crime would you talk to the police or would you let the perpetrators away with it?

    Well – if I lived in Belfast and the IRA had kidnapped, tortured and murdered my mother and hidden the body and lied about it because they claimed she was an informer (without apparently any evidence). And if the same people then threatened to kill my family and me if I reported them. And bearing in mind the many other murders the IRA were responsible for. Would I be brave? I really don’t know.


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