breaking: Gerry Adams Arrested in connection to McConville - MOD WARNING First Post

pO1Neil · 05-05-2014 2:41pm

theKillerBite wrote: »

Jaysus...what age are you btw?

36 yourself?

steddyeddy · 05-05-2014 2:42pm

bumper234 wrote: »

But if you showed those pictures in America, Australia, France,Sweden, Germany etc do you think the people there would not pick the IRA member? Would they also be biased?

If you think the British army didn't engage in terrorist activities you're sorely mistaken.

pO1Neil · 05-05-2014 2:44pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Disgusting.

I agree to people who to demonize them as much as possible are scum.

Iwasfrozen · 05-05-2014 3:02pm

pO1Neil wrote: »

I agree to people who to demonize them as much as possible are scum.

The people who demonize banded murderers are scum? Pathetic.

I'm not going to engage your trolling.

Happyman42 · 05-05-2014 3:13pm

twowheelsgood wrote: »

And if it is to be none, would you say that the Dublin & Monaghan bombings were not acts of terrorism? Simply an army operation by the UVF (including the BA if you like)?

It was an act of terror. Most acts of war are in one way or another.

JohnInDublin59 wrote: »

My comprehension is fine, thanks very much.

For example, when Happyman42 writes ‘No it isn't, unless you have comprehension difficulties’ what he means is ‘No it isn't, unless you disagree with the beliefs of Happyman42’.

Which, I am pleased to say, I do.

Be brave and throw up the source that gives you the impression that anybody in Sinn Fein is saying what you 'think' they are saying.

bumper234 · 05-05-2014 3:17pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

If you think the British army didn't engage in terrorist activities you're sorely mistaken.

I never said that, i am replying to people who claim that the IRA were not terrorists and did not commit terrorist acts.

Karl Stein · 05-05-2014 3:25pm

Gatling wrote: »

Detectives believe 10% attributed to state killings .

Only if you purposefully ignore RUC/UDR-BA collusion with loyalists who killed upwards of 1000 people primarily unarmed innocent Catholics going about their business.

The Nationalist community was being terrorised and those terrorising them didn't give a **** if they were civilians or not.

Learn.
Your.
Facts.

end of the road · 05-05-2014 3:37pm

Jawgap wrote: »

The IRA were interested in the propaganda of the deed.......the Brits weren't

lol, propaganda was rife with the brits, thats why you still have some over there who think bloody sunday was acceptable and that the innocent people who were murdered that day and other days were terrorists dispite david kammerin admitting otherwise, and that those responsible are heroes

Jawgap wrote: »

the IRA were the terrorists.....

if the IRA were terrorists then the BA were terrorists also

Jawgap wrote: »

they'd like to think it was an insurgency, but it barely fits the historical definition of such.....in Mao's taxonomy it was a little bit of stage 1, and smidgeon of stage 2....

it was an insurgency,, the BA couldn't defeat them, same thing happened in afghanistan where the british and americans are trying to make a quick get away.

WilyCoyote · 05-05-2014 3:38pm

Gatling wrote: »

Currently there are 3260 deaths been reviewed in NI from the troubles alone ,
Detectives believe 10% attributed to state killings .

That still leaves 90% of all killings down to terrorist actions on both side 's,

In 1972 there were over 10,000 recorded shooting incidents ,

Now remind us who were the bad guys in all of this ,

When the Allies finally got into Germany, there were far more Germans killed than Allies.
Now remind us who the bad guys were!

Your reasoning in most of your posts is strange.

steddyeddy · 05-05-2014 3:41pm

bumper234 wrote: »

I never said that, i am replying to people who claim that the IRA were not terrorists and did not commit terrorist acts.

Oh yea I would agree there but wars/conflicts/forces/armies inflict terror. The word terrorist has no meaning apart from it being a label one side uses against the other.

WilyCoyote · 05-05-2014 3:44pm

bumper234 wrote: »

Well the IRA certainly did that, therefore they were terrorists.

The British Army were the aggressors. The IRA were the home guard fighting the aggression.
Now, how can you call them the terrorists.
What skewed your thinking so much? Why such a disliking for Irish people who fought a foreign army that invaded their country?

bumper234 · 05-05-2014 3:47pm

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The British Army were the aggressors. The IRA were the home guard fighting the aggression.
Now, how can you call them the terrorists.
What skewed your thinking so much? Why such a disliking for Irish people who fought a foreign army that invaded their country?

Targetting innnocent civilians is the epitome of terrorism.

theKillerBite · 05-05-2014 3:48pm

WilyCoyote wrote: »

When the Allies finally got into Germany, there were far more Germans killed than Allies.
Now remind us who the bad guys were!

Your reasoning in most of your posts is strange.

Did the British Army use proxy bombs, or plant bombs on shopping streets/pubs, or take civilians hostage, or boobytrap dead bodies...

twowheelsgood · 05-05-2014 3:48pm

Happyman42 wrote: »

It was an act of terror. Most acts of war are in one way or another.

Certainly those at the receiving end of any warfare are going to experience terror. But that is not what terrorism is, even under its more expanded understanding.

Conventional armed forces engaging with one another is not terrorism.

And the UVF bombing of Dublin / Monaghan was an act of War? :eek:

Happyman42 wrote: »

Be brave and throw up the source that gives you the impression that anybody in Sinn Fein is saying what you 'think' they are saying.

Are you disputing that MMcG said that SF would reflect and review its support for policing in the region if Mr Adams is charged but urged republicans to remain calm if and until that happened?

WilyCoyote · 05-05-2014 3:51pm

bumper234 wrote: »

Targetting innnocent civilians is the epitome of terrorism.

You really believe that the IRA deliberately set out to kill civilians?
Then that answers my question. Thanks.

twowheelsgood · 05-05-2014 3:52pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

The word terrorist has no meaning apart from it being a label one side uses against the other.

Would you consider Timothy McVeigh or Anders Breivik terrorists?

Busted Flat. · 05-05-2014 3:52pm

theKillerBite wrote: »

Did the British Army use proxy bombs, or plant bombs on shopping streets/pubs, or take civilians hostage, or boobytrap dead bodies...

Yes Dublin and Monaghan.

Jawgap · 05-05-2014 3:55pm

Jawgap wrote: »

The IRA were interested in the propaganda of the deed.......the Brits weren't, ergo the IRA were the terrorists.....

they'd like to think it was an insurgency, but it barely fits the historical definition of such.....in Mao's taxonomy it was a little bit of stage 1, and smidgeon of stage 2....

end of the road wrote: »

lol, propaganda was rife with the brits, thats why you still have some over there who think bloody sunday was acceptable and that the innocent people who were murdered that day and other days were terrorists dispite david kammerin admitting otherwise, and that those responsible are heroes

if the IRA were terrorists then the BA were terrorists also

it was an insurgency,, the BA couldn't defeat them, same thing happened in afghanistan where the british and americans are trying to make a quick get away.

QED.....:D

WilyCoyote · 05-05-2014 4:01pm

theKillerBite wrote: »

Did the British Army use proxy bombs, or plant bombs on shopping streets/pubs, or take civilians hostage, or boobytrap dead bodies...

Yeah, like you can choose your target with heavy artillery. Both the Eastern and Western Fronts employed that kind of warfare against Nazi Germany ..... and yet they were heros

RandomName2 · 05-05-2014 4:01pm

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You really believe that the IRA deliberately set out to kill civilians?
Then that answers my question. Thanks.

It is very easy to mistake shopping centres/districts with military bases to be fair.

JohnInDublin59 · 05-05-2014 4:04pm

Happyman42 wrote: »

Be brave and throw up the source that gives you the impression that anybody in Sinn Fein is saying what you 'think' they are saying.

Frankly I couldn’t be arsed looking up specific SF quotes in this matter

When Adams was arrested there was this deluge from SF and their acolytes of how it was all political policing and dark corners and police plots to damage SF and their election prospects and the peace process.

The excuse being that it was too coincidental that an election is due.

Because of course if this happened 6 months later or earlier SF and their little fan club here would have said ‘fair enough, no one is above the law, it is incumbent on the police to investigate all leads into this terrible murder.’

Yeah.

Right.

RandomName2 · 05-05-2014 4:05pm

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Yeah, like you can choose your target with heavy artillery. Both the Eastern and Western Fronts employed that kind of warfare against Nazi Germany ..... and yet they were heros

Ah Wily, Wily, Wily

*sigh*

Although, to be honest, I think that those who ordered the Dresden bombing should have been prosecuted. And as for the Red Army... ugh.

I am always curious of people who are willing to condone any action made by their side, because it is the side that they belong to, and chastise every action of their opponent, simply because it is their opponent.

end of the road · 05-05-2014 4:06pm

bumper234 wrote: »

Targetting innnocent civilians is the epitome of terrorism.

so you admit the BA were terrorists then? thanks, finally you have admitted it

WilyCoyote · 05-05-2014 4:09pm

twowheelsgood wrote: »

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Are you disputing that MMcG said that SF would reflect and review its support for policing in the region if Mr Adams is charged but urged republicans to remain calm if and until that happened?

If there is an agreement and one side starts fucking about ........ of course the other side will take stock.
Remember Chamberlain returning from Munich? That gave a carte blanche to Hitler. All because a mealy-mouthed coward sought the easy way out.
Why on earth was Adams lifted and kept for so long at this time? Do you really believe that this was not a political ploy by the British government and it's cohorts?

The Diabolical Monocle · 05-05-2014 4:11pm

bumper234 wrote: »

Targetting innnocent civilians is the epitome of terrorism.

Bloody Sunday.

(for a start)

Jawgap · 05-05-2014 4:14pm

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If there is an agreement and one side starts fucking about ........ of course the other side will take stock.
Remember Chamberlain returning from Munich? That gave a carte blanche to Hitler. All because a mealy-mouthed coward sought the easy way out.
Why on earth was Adams lifted and kept for so long at this time? Do you really believe that this was not a political ploy by the British government and it's cohorts?

Sounds like he has a good case for suing for wrongful imprisonment.

He should get these people on the case......

http://www.falselyaccused.co.uk/

twowheelsgood · 05-05-2014 4:16pm

WilyCoyote wrote: »

If there is an agreement and one side starts fucking about ........ of course the other side will take stock.

What agreement was broken when Adams was arrested?

And do you accept that SF (well MMcG anyway) was threatening to withdrawing support for the PSNI if Adams was charged?

ryan101 · 05-05-2014 4:18pm

What's Jarry been up to today ?

steddyeddy · 05-05-2014 4:18pm

theKillerBite wrote: »

Did the British Army use proxy bombs, or plant bombs on shopping streets/pubs, or take civilians hostage, or boobytrap dead bodies...

They shot innocent people yes. During Bloody Sunday they directly targeted innocent civilians.

martinedwards · 05-05-2014 4:19pm

WilyCoyote wrote: »

You really believe that the IRA deliberately set out to kill civilians?
Then that answers my question. Thanks.

they certainly made no effort to avoid it.

take Eniskillen for example.

yes, there WERE police and army there but there were also a LOAD of civilian spectators.

but clearly as they were there to spectate a poppy day parade that makes them legitimate targets.

La Mon house hotel bomb?

easy to mistake 450 people eating or working in a restaurant for an army base.

so yes, in MY humble opinion, the IRA in it's many forms DID regularly set out to kill civilians.

and while the Brit forces DID commit crimes, they never attempted anything like La Mon

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