daft.ie has removed "RAA" option

the_syco

zef wrote: »

A couple of days ago there were 10 properties accepting RA in Dublin, out of 1,630.

And now there is none

ted1

zef wrote: »

So after a meeting with he DSP Daft have agreed to take out the RA filter.I think it's more to do with hiding the true figures and statistics stacked against a RA recipient. A couple of days ago there were 10 properties accepting RA in Dublin, out of 1,630.

Zef in another thread you accused me of adding a single mother tax on to what I charge RA tenants. There's a reason why most ll won't deal with RA tenants

The_Conductor

newbie13 wrote: »

I think the tenant needs to get Landlord`s pps number and signature for one of the document to apply for Rent supplement or allowance..
So tenant cannot hide or lie that he is not on RA.

What happens in reality- is the tenant doesn't advise that they are on RA- they pay the deposit and 1st month's rent up front- and then confront the landlord with the documentation.,......

Also- some tenants have been known to state that the landlord is non-resident, as a manner of getting around not having their PPSN.

Once the tenant has their foot in the door- getting them out, even when their RA application is turned down and they are not paying their rent- is a nightmare. It can take well over a year to retrieve the property- and often 5 figure sums to return it to condition where it can be relet........

newbie13

I think daft.ie should bring back to RA filters for letting search..

Pocoyo

zef wrote: »

So after a meeting with he DSP Daft have agreed to take out the RA filter.I think it's more to do with hiding the true figures and statistics stacked against a RA recipient. A couple of days ago there were 10 properties accepting RA in Dublin, out of 1,630.

Quite obvious and im amazed your post didnt get a hundred thanks.

3DataModem

Well, back to work references than.

In my experience people don't respect what they haven't paid for.

Hate to tar everyone with the same brush, but my own experience is undeniable.

P_1

Very cynical stuff from the DSP and Daft I'd have to say. I get that not many properties (in Dublin anyway) are under the threshold for RA but removing a feature from the site for some strange cosmetic reason is very strange to say the least.

Gatling

P_1 wrote: »

Very cynical stuff from the DSP and Daft I'd have to say. I get that not many properties (in Dublin anyway) are under the threshold for RA but removing a feature from the site for some strange cosmetic reason is very strange to say the least.

Could be other reasons ,

Im thinking they will ramp up councils taking over rent supplement admistration and payments ,

murphaph

The_Conductor wrote: »

What happens in reality- is the tenant doesn't advise that they are on RA- they pay the deposit and 1st month's rent up front- and then confront the landlord with the documentation.,......

Also- some tenants have been known to state that the landlord is non-resident, as a manner of getting around not having their PPSN.

Once the tenant has their foot in the door- getting them out, even when their RA application is turned down and they are not paying their rent- is a nightmare. It can take well over a year to retrieve the property- and often 5 figure sums to return it to condition where it can be relet........

Even more reason for landlords to start using what little power they have and start insisting on original bank statements showing an actual income stream for the last 3 months directly before the tenancy is to begin.

murphaph

Gatling wrote: »

Could be other reasons ,

Im thinking they will ramp up councils taking over rent supplement admistration and payments ,

Won't change a thing so long as the max rates are below what a landlord can achieve on the open market (which is the case where most people want/need to live, i.e in the major cities).

The government tried to kick landlords around and this carry on was applauded by the mob. Now look what's happening.

The_Conductor

murphaph wrote: »

Even more reason for landlords to start using what little power they have and start insisting on original bank statements showing an actual income stream for the last 3 months directly before the tenancy is to begin.

Then we get accused of being Nazis- and have the 'I'll show you my finances if you show me yours' brigade wasting your time. You really can't win.

The_Conductor

Stated reason is:

This change is being made following dialogue with the Department of Social Protection, whose expressed position is that the offering of this filter perpetuates a misunderstood stereotype of rent allowance applicants and should cease immediately.

Why DAFT are allowing the DSFA to dictate this is beyond me.

drumswan

The_Conductor wrote: »

Then we get accused of being Nazis- and have the 'I'll show you my finances if you show me yours' brigade wasting your time. You really can't win.

Lots of Irish landlords are cowboys, as the posts on this forum will attest. People are not going to hand over this kind of information to some gob****e who doesnt consider himself as running a normal business.

Gatling

murphaph wrote: »

Won't change a thing so long as the max rates are below what a landlord can achieve on the open market (which is the case where most people want/need to live, i.e in the major cities).

Actually I said it a few times you will get the UK model here ,councils pay landlords directly and tenants make a contribution but when rents increase or your benefits change then the council find you a cheaper property several hundred miles away and then it will be a case take it or leave it ( if you choose the latter your on your own)

murphaph

Gatling wrote: »

Actually I said it a few times you will get the UK model here ,councils pay landlords directly and tenants make a contribution but when rents increase or your benefits change then the council find you a cheaper property several hundred miles away and then it will be a case take it or leave it ( if you choose the latter your on your own)

I think it's going that way as well. There's no real alternative. It's the same here in Berlin these days: the rents are increasing (yes, rent control exists for sitting tenants but still allows increases that are beyond inflation and well beyond the increases in the equivalent of Rent Supplement) so people who can't afford to pay their own rent and depend on other taxpayers are being forced (financially) out of the gentrifying city centre districts in Berlin to outlying areas.

There is a core question to be answered: should city centres have any social housing or RS tenants in them at all?

Ray Palmer

murphaph wrote: »

There is a core question to be answered: should city centres have any social housing or RS tenants in them at all?

It really has to be considered. The standard argument is about destroying communities. The problem is some of these communities aren't worth saving. Sean Mc Dermot street is a good example. I have seen the flats be refurbished completely at least 4 times and then destroyed.

I think at this point they should be used for private housing with the money to be used to create better integrated social housing further out.

There is a great Georgian building there being wasted because of the social problems in the area.

Pocoyo

Posts about living in the city center are irrelevant,This problem is country wide people on RA cant get properties in leinster let alone dublin city,i have worked all of my adult life bar 1 year,If you move people such as i to the back arse of leitrim you will destroy the economy and have a massive problem with stagnation.

riclad

That makes no sense,
government policy is to have x per cent of social housing where there s new building ,estates being built.
And theres plenty of social housing already in the city centre.
THE new rules came in banning bedsits, rents went up,
so it makes no financial sense for landlords to take on ra tenants in many area,s.
They could bring in new tax breaks for landlords who have ra tenants in citys ,
And allow rent allowance to be paid directly to the landlord s bank account ,if the tenant wishes to do so.

THIS problem is not just confined to the city centre,
almost anywhere in dublin its hard to get a flat under the ra system.

Pocoyo

riclad wrote: »

They could bring in new tax breaks for landlords who have ra tenants in citys ,
And allow rent allowance to be paid directly to the landlord s bank account ,if the tenant wishes to do so.

My rent is directly paid to the landlord but i know tenants that chose to have the rent paid to themselves,now imo that is dodgy i dont understand why people choose to receive the cheque as they have to lodge the money them selves and worry about it being stolen or not arriving in the post.

The_Conductor

And the RA option is back again.......

Pocoyo

The_Conductor wrote: »

And the RA option is back again.......

So the person that claimed he received an email from daft was quite obviously telling porkies.

The_Conductor

Pocoyo wrote: »

So the person that claimed he received an email from daft was quite obviously telling porkies.

Not necessarily.
If a few people complained- perhaps they listened, and decided they were shooting themselves in the foot by running DSPs agenda for them.........
DSP aren't exactly known being able to coordinate an internet campaign- perhaps DAFT didn't realise the implications of running with their suggestions........

It was nuts not being able to use it as a criteria- and a complete and utter waste of everyone's time. Sense, it would seem, has prevailed.

Ray Palmer

The_Conductor wrote: »

perhaps DAFT didn't realise the implications of running with their suggestions........

It was nuts not being able to use it as a criteria- and a complete and utter waste of everyone's time. Sense, it would seem, has prevailed.

This really seems the most likely thing. Very surprised they listened to DSP but maybe they did it on the basis that if nobody/few complain they will leave it that way.

murphaph

I'd say they got a flood of emails from tenants tbh and quickly realised they had killed an important usability feature. Surprising that they didn't already know and appreciate how important that checkbox is.

Pocoyo

Ray Palmer wrote: »

This really seems the most likely thing. Very surprised they listened to DSP but maybe they did it on the basis that if nobody/few complain they will leave it that way.

No its more likely that it was a bug,It happens to sites all time,The fact that daft didnt announce the changes and that it was reactivated so quickly suggests it was an error.

Cuddlesworth

The_Conductor wrote: »

Stated reason is:



Why DAFT are allowing the DSFA to dictate this is beyond me.

Its something like .1% of their advertised lets. Not exactly a market changing decision.

The_Conductor

Pocoyo wrote: »

No its more likely that it was a bug,It happens to sites all time,The fact that daft didnt announce the changes and that it was reactivated so quickly suggests it was an error.

It was a conscious decision- just chatting to one of the guys at lunchtime.
They didn't expect the level of negative feedback, and reversed it this morning.

newbie13

The_Conductor wrote: »

And the RA option is back again.......

I should received hundreds " Thanks " for creating this post. Maybe this post made Daft.ie to put the RA filter on letting search.

Ray Palmer

newbie13 wrote: »

I should received hundreds " Thanks " for creating this post. Maybe this post made Daft.ie to put the RA filter on letting search.

More likely the people paying to advertise complained. If I suddenly started getting calls from RA tenants after stating not taking them I would complain and tell them I would refuse to pay.