NCT backdated?

djimi

thudd wrote: »

Not to hijack the thread but I am curious as to know what the NCT situation on my new (2nd hand) car will be when it is put through this weekend.

I purchased an 11 year old car that has no NCT since Jan 2013. Lets say, for example, I put the car through the NCT and it passes.....do I only get an NCT cert up until Jan 2014? 4 months ago!?

Itll be tested until Jauary 2015.

thudd

Phew, thanks for reply

del roy

djimi
I too bought a opel corsa 2004 and the nct disc is out since june 2012, if I send it to the nct centre this month when will it be nct ed to.

Ta

Guy:Incognito

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Incorrect. You can present it at any time.

There is a very good reason as to why you can present a car at any time for a MOT. In the UK the police can invalidate your MOT at the side of the road if they find something wrong with your car. The only way to sort this out is another MOT.

https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot

Under "when to test" . Says you can renew up to a month before expiry.

If the police invalidate your MOT then your not renewing an existing one.

slimjimmc

del roy wrote: »

djimi
I too bought a opel corsa 2004 and the nct disc is out since june 2012, if I send it to the nct centre this month when will it be nct ed to.

Ta

The next anniversary is June 2014, but since you will be presenting it within 90 days before that date your new certificate will be valid until June 2015.

I wouldn't risk driving it around though in the meantime though.

timmy4u2

alf66 wrote: »

You can only MOT a car in the UK Up to a month before the MOT expires.
First MOT is due when the car is 3 years old, and it is every year after that.

That is not the case but if you want to preserve the date then the one month prior test is applicable.
And as an aside in the UK any commercial vehiclesunder 3500kg are not required to undergo an MOT test until they are three years old whereas here in Ireland they have to be tested when one year old.

Wheres My ForkandKnife

After reading through this maybe a sub forum should be set up for tax and nct. But then the motors forum would die and the server would crash with the amount of hits on tax!

del roy

slimjimmc wrote: »

The next anniversary is June 2014, but since you will be presenting it within 90 days before that date your new certificate will be valid until June 2015.

I wouldn't risk driving it around though in the meantime though.

thanks slim,

daughter doing my head in about it.

CiniO

alf66 wrote: »

You can only MOT a car in the UK Up to a month before the MOT expires.

You can MOT it month before expiry date to receive cert valid until exactly a year from this expiry date.

But there is nothing stopping you to MOT your car at any random time, and then you will get 1 year cert from time of MOT test.

Examples.
Your MOT is expiring 15th of June 2014.

1. If you MOT it on 29th May 2014, you will get cert valid until 15th June 2015.
2. If you MOT it on 20th June 2014, you will get cert valid until 20th June 2015.
3. If you MOT it on 10th May 2014, you will get cert valid until 10th May 2015.


In short ability to MOT it at any random time might be necessary when driving abroad for longer.

f.e. You MOTed your car on 1st February 2014 and have it valid until 1st February 2015. Then now (say 15th May 2014) you are deciding to drive abroad for 10 month (return on 15th March 2015). By the time you will be back, your MOT will be expired.
So you can MOT it now (say 10th of May 2014) before you go, and you will have it valid until 10th May 2015, so no problem with expiring when abroad.

No such possibilities in Ireland, as you can only renew your NCT 3 months in advance.
So in worst case, you might only be able to drive abroad for 3 months, no longer than that.

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

In short ability to MOT it at any random time might be necessary when driving abroad....

No such possibilities in Ireland, as you can only renew your NCT 3 months in advance.
So in worst case, you might only be able to drive abroad for 3 months, no longer than that.

I think you may not be too correct there. There is no trans EU agreement on enforcement of such tests.
The only criteria that you will need is for your car to be roadworthy.
The same applies to road tax. If you are driving on foreigh soil without a current tax disc displayed, or in force as (in the UK there will not be a tax disc to display after September of this year) it is a road fund licence and you are not defrauding the country you are driving through by not having a road fund licence issued in another country.

Some countries such as Austria, Hungary; Romania; Bulgaria;Czech Republic; slovenia etc have the Vignette system in place that taxes vehicles passing through those countries on a time basis

Fred Swanson

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CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

I think you may not be too correct there. There is no trans EU agreement on enforcement of such tests.
The only criteria that you will need is for your car to be roadworthy.

As far as I know there is.
If you are legally required to have a valid test in country of registration, then you are also legally required to have it in any other country you drive it.
You can be easily pulled over in Germany and fined (car towed away) for driving Irish car without valid NCT.
Enforcement of this is another thing, but legally it is required.
Different countries just use different type of confirmations of valid test. Some use windscreen discs or stickers. Some use stickers on your number plate. Some make a stamp in your VRC. etc.. That's why enforcement might not be always possible, but it is legally required.

The same applies to road tax. If you are driving on foreigh soil without a current tax disc displayed, or in force as (in the UK there will not be a tax disc to display after September of this year) it is a road fund licence and you are not defrauding the country you are driving through by not having a road fund licence issued in another country.

Tax is different thing.
It's not part of any road traffic conventions and agreements. It's purely revenue thing. Even requirement for Irish motortax is placed in Finance Act.
For that reason it is indeed not required when abroad as you say.

Some countries such as Austria, Hungary; Romania; Bulgaria;Czech Republic; slovenia etc have the Vignette system in place that taxes vehicles passing through those countries on a time basis

Those vignette is rater form of tolls mostly for motorways.
Instead of paying tolls at the gates, you just buy a vignette valid for certain time. In most (if not all) countries you listed, those vignettes are necessery only on motorways.

Fred Swanson

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CiniO

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yes. I wasn't sure about those two.
I've never been to Romania and only once in Bulgaria but that was 27 years ago when I was 5, so don't really remember

Czech republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Austria uses vignettes only for motorways afaik.

CiniO

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Maybe it doesn't stop them, but it doesn't mean they are doing it legally.
All that kind of sh1te is going over.
I was asked for my fire extinguisher on my Irish registered car in Poland recently, even though this is not part of obligatory car equipment on Irish registered cars.

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corktina

when in Rome do as the Romans do. It doesn't matter what the law is here, if you are in Poland, it's their laws you go by.

The PSNI are quite entitled to lift untaxed foreign cars. It's a condition of use that foreign cars must be road legal in their home country.

timmy4u2

Quote]As far as I know there is.[/quote]
There is not. The EU lays down that each Country has to implement a test and it lays down the maximum age a vehicle can reach without such a test etc.
Also if you look at the regulations in each Country you will see that such vehicle has to be registered in the particular country before it is subjected to a roadworthy test.
What about the situation in Ireland where pre year 2000 classic cars do not need an NCT but UK classic cars need an MOT. If that was so we could not take our classic cars to the UK or any other EU Country.
There have been discussions on going since 2011/2012 that commenced with tests for motorcycles but it has not gone anyplace since.

They may stop you in Germany, as they may in any other country and check your car for roadworthiness.( In Ireland they use the CE&U of vehicles Act and depending on the degree of non compliance you could end up with a Sec 54 conviction (dangerous Driving due......)-I have not experienced it- but in the end of the day they have to comply with the law.

Those vignette is rater form of tolls mostly for motorways.Instead of paying tolls at the gates, you just buy a vignette valid for certain time. In most (if not all) countries you listed, those vignettes are necessery only on motorways.

The vignettes have little or nothing to do with the use of motorways.
If you use a tolled motorway you pay the toll.

Fred Swanson

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CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

There is not. The EU lays down that each Country has to implement a test and it lays down the maximum age a vehicle can reach without such a test etc.
Also if you look at the regulations in each Country you will see that such vehicle has to be registered in the particular country before it is subjected to a roadworthy test.

Exactly and that's what I'm talking about.
You are not due German TUV on Irish registered car if you drive it in Germany.
But you still need to have valid NCT on Irish registered car in line with Irish regulations, whether you drive it in Ireland or Germany or anywhere else.
You can get pulled over and fined for driving Irish car without valid NCT in Germany.

What about the situation in Ireland where pre year 2000 classic cars do not need an NCT but UK classic cars need an MOT. If that was so we could not take our classic cars to the UK or any other EU Country.

If classic cars don't need NCT in Ireland then they don't need one to fulfill Irish requirements, therefore they are good to be driven anywhere (f.e. UK).
Fact that one vehicle is due test in once country and would not be due test in other country if it was registered there is irrelevant.
All cars must fulfill test requirements from country of registration in order to be driven in that country and abroad.

There have been discussions on going since 2011/2012 that commenced with tests for motorcycles but it has not gone anyplace since.

And good - same thing.
Then Irish registered motorbike don't need valid test, whether it's in Ireland, UK or Greece.

They may stop you in Germany, as they may in any other country and check your car for roadworthiness.( In Ireland they use the CE&U of vehicles Act and depending on the degree of non compliance you could end up with a Sec 54 conviction (dangerous Driving due......)-I have not experienced it- but in the end of the day they have to comply with the law.

They can stop you anywhere (in any country) and as you said - check your car for roadworthiness, check your licence, check vehicle VRC. Also they can check if car has valid insurance (might request insurance cert) and they can check if car has valid test from country of registration (if one is due).

The vignettes have little or nothing to do with the use of motorways.
If you use a tolled motorway you pay the toll.

As I said above - in Slovakia, Czech republic, Austria and Hungary, vignettes is the way of tolling motorways. There is no toll gates anywhere (maybe with exception of some bridges or tunnels) and vignettes are required only for motorways. So whatever way you look at it, those vignettes effectively are form of motorway tolls in those countries. As I said I can't comment on Bulgaria or Romania, as I've never driven there.

timmy4u2

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Not so as regards Hungary-it has been three years since I drove in Slovenia so I cannot comment on that-
The new motorways in Hungary require a toll to be paid other than a vignette.
The new regulations came in in July 2013.
Last year when I was driving through Hungary I though it a good idea to take the new motorway to find out that I needed an E toll also so I used part of it and then left that motorway
See it here

http://www.toll-charge.hu/Electronic-toll/

As of 1 July 2013, the electronic, distance-based toll system (DTS) will be introduced on a total of 6,500 km designated road sections of the Hungarian public road network (motorways, highways, main routes).

The new system will comply with the European Union requirements and the directives of the European Electronic Toll Service (EETS) (Act LXVII of 2013 on distance-based toll payable for the use of motorways, highways and main routes). The rate of distance-based toll payment depends on the used road type, the category of the motor vehicle >> (J2, J3, J4), as well as its environmental classification.

Fred Swanson

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CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Not so as regards Hungary-it has been three years since I drove in Slovenia so I cannot comment on that-
The new motorways in Hungary require a toll to be paid other than a vignette.
The new regulations came in in July 2013.
Last year when I was driving through Hungary I though it a good idea to take the new motorway to find out that I needed an E toll also so I used part of it and then left that motorway
See it here

http://www.toll-charge.hu/Electronic-toll/

That's a new thing which I didn't know about.
So my understanding is that vignettes are not in operation there anymore. Is that right?\

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timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

That's a new thing which I didn't know about.
So my understanding is that vignettes are not in operation there anymore. Is that right?\

Vignettes are still there but there are also tolls. Vignettes are compulsory, the tolls are at your discretion.

Fred Swanson

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timmy4u2

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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That is all ok. The point that I am making is that the vignette is separate from the requirement to pay tolls.

My 2nd last time through hungary in June 2013 I picked up the vignette at the border. Got a receipt with the car details etc. Took about 15 mins to get it.
The Romanian vignette and the bulgarian vignette was a stick on affair.

Last time through Slovenia the toll stations were still there but were not manned. They picked up your details as you passed through and you were then obliged to pay the total amount at the end. I never found out exactly how as I was on my way to Croatia and a big impatient lorry honked behind me and I drove on.

Fred Swanson

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timmy4u2

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yes, as I said "the tolls are at your discretion"

timmy4u2

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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It was very busy at the time and late on a Sunday evening and I had to drive to Roving, close to Pula having already driven up through Nth Italy so I blended in with the observers and escaped.
Not intentional, just a situation that developed.