Bradford City fire

jaykay74

http://www.theguardian.com/uk


I'm surprised the Guardian are going so strongly with the story. Its the lead story on the website currently. It does seem like something that would have been seen as important in the aftermath of the fire (with regards to the investigation) if there was anything in it.

1) May 1967: fire in Stafford Heginbotham’s factory at three-storey Cutler Heights Lane, Bradford
2) April 1968: fire at Genefoam Ltd, managing director Stafford Heginbotham, Cutler Heights Lane
3) August 1970: store-room explosion at Matgoods, founded by Heginbotham, in Wyke, Bradford
4) December 1971: tenant fire at Castle Mills building, Cleckheaton, owned by Heginbotham
5) August 1977: fire at Yorkshire Knitting Mills, in Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills building, Bradford
6) December 1977: fire at four-story Coronet Marketing factory, Leeds Road, Bradford. Coronet Marketing a subsidiary of Tebro Toys, owned by Heginbotham
7) November 1977: fire with toxic fumes at Douglas Mills factory
8) June 1981: fire in plastics factory at Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills

Guy:Incognito

While the figure of 9 fires sounds a lot on its own, is it a lot or the average amount when the number of businesses/premises hes involved with is taken in to account? 9 fires for a guy that owns 9 businesses would probably be a lot, but 9 fires for say, McDonalds, probably isnt.

EDIT: just seeing JayKays list.

jaykay74 wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk


I'm surprised the Guardian are going so strongly with the story. Its the lead story on the website currently. It does seem like something that would have been seen as important in the aftermath of the fire (with regards to the investigation) if there was anything in it.

1) May 1967: fire in Stafford Heginbotham’s factory at three-storey Cutler Heights Lane, Bradford
2) April 1968: fire at Genefoam Ltd, managing director Stafford Heginbotham, Cutler Heights Lane
3) August 1970: store-room explosion at Matgoods, founded by Heginbotham, in Wyke, Bradford
4) December 1971: tenant fire at Castle Mills building, Cleckheaton, owned by Heginbotham
5) August 1977: fire at Yorkshire Knitting Mills, in Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills building, Bradford
6) December 1977: fire at four-story Coronet Marketing factory, Leeds Road, Bradford. Coronet Marketing a subsidiary of Tebro Toys, owned by Heginbotham
7) November 1977: fire with toxic fumes at Douglas Mills factory
8) June 1981: fire in plastics factory at Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills

In number 3 , was he still involved at the time? If not then its only in there to bump numbers. Him founding a company that then goes on fire after he has left is irrelevant.
I assume number 4 is worded as a tenant fire because it was nothing to do with him either?

Most links seem fairly tenuous on the surface tbh.

UnitedIrishman

RasTa wrote: »

You're hardly going to set it on fire during a match

The other question then is whether the owner was guilty of negligent manslaughter in not ensuring the stadium was fire-risk free. And the evidence seems to show that he was guilty of it - especially so if it has happened at other businesses.

As it is, he's dead now so no punishment can be dished out.

bad2dabone

the truth needs to come out officially , those people who were burned alive deserve the truth to be known.

Zebra3

jaykay74 wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk


I'm surprised the Guardian are going so strongly with the story. Its the lead story on the website currently. It does seem like something that would have been seen as important in the aftermath of the fire (with regards to the investigation) if there was anything in it.

1) May 1967: fire in Stafford Heginbotham’s factory at three-storey Cutler Heights Lane, Bradford
2) April 1968: fire at Genefoam Ltd, managing director Stafford Heginbotham, Cutler Heights Lane
3) August 1970: store-room explosion at Matgoods, founded by Heginbotham, in Wyke, Bradford
4) December 1971: tenant fire at Castle Mills building, Cleckheaton, owned by Heginbotham
5) August 1977: fire at Yorkshire Knitting Mills, in Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills building, Bradford
6) December 1977: fire at four-story Coronet Marketing factory, Leeds Road, Bradford. Coronet Marketing a subsidiary of Tebro Toys, owned by Heginbotham
7) November 1977: fire with toxic fumes at Douglas Mills factory
8) June 1981: fire in plastics factory at Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills

The Guardian are serialising the book today and tomorrow so vested interest in having it the main story.

The main suspect is long since dead, so no libel issues.

QuantumP

From that extract the data does seem to be cherry picked to support the argument Heginbotham was behind it so I'm not convinced, but even the thought that there could have been more to it still fascinates me.

If the book doesn't include statistics showing his fire rate to be anomalous from its general population then it won't have any credibility really and I reckon industrial fires and the likes were fairly frequent at that time.

monkey9

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

And the insinuation there is?

To be honest, I wouldn't bother addressing an absolute arsehole of a post such as that.

dreamers75

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-32330734

The judge who led the inquiry into the Bradford City football stadium fire has said claims it may have been started deliberately are "nonsense".

The retired judge said the main flaw in the argument that the fire was arson was the stand involved had no insurance value because it was due for demolition.

Read a few parts of it and the writer has done some homework on the chairman.

SEPT 23 1989

You dont do an insurance job with punters on the premises

Super-Rush

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You dont do an insurance job with punters on the premises

Its not too hard to believe.

He might not have thought it would get out of control so quickly and people would have had ample time to escape.

It would also be easier to throw people off the scent for the reasons you stated.

People take stupid risks when it comes to money.

shano_88

Interview with the author on Off the Ball tonight. Its definetly worth a listen If you get a chance.

https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/was-the-1985-valley-parade-fire-deliberate

Benimar

Bumping this as today is the 30th Anniversary of this horrific event. What should have been a day of celebration turned to tragedy in under 5 minutes.

RIP to the 56 people who lost their lives.

Harry Palmr

BT Sport has a doc about his tonight which will have some new footage of what happened I think. I was listening to a clip of the local radio commentary on BBC radio this morning, you can hear the sense of panic building as it starts to become clear whats unfolding.

Harry Palmr

The Valley Parade disaster, 31 years today.

http://bradfordcityfire.co.uk/

A day that those of us who were football fans in 1985 will never forget.

Shocking. We were playing in a football tournament in West Cork that day and came home to parents collecting us off the bus with news of the tragedy. The presence of cameras made it so very real, remember waiting for the headlines on RTE news later that night.

Fr Tod Umptious

It was shocking.

I think it often gets overlooked because Bradford is a small club and Hysel happened a few weeks later.

People under the illusion that football has somehow lost its soul with new stadiums and new money should watch the video.

chopperbyrne

Harry Palmr wrote: »

BT Sport has a doc about his tonight which will have some new footage of what happened I think. I was listening to a clip of the local radio commentary on BBC radio this morning, you can hear the sense of panic building as it starts to become clear whats unfolding.

Not seeing it in the listings. Do you know what channel and time?

jaykay74

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Not seeing it in the listings. Do you know what channel and time?

in 2015...

chopperbyrne

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Not seeing it in the listings. Do you know what channel and time?

Posted in 2015

chopperbyrne

Paul Tergat

Always a sad day back home. RIP