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Ares/Umarex G36cv upgrades?
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05-05-2014 5:33pm#1
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ive bought the gun second hand. its in great condition ans its all stock parts as far as i know. im gonna have a go on adjusting the hop up tomorrow and see if i can get rid of the sideward curve. i wouldnt even know how to check the air seal in the gearbox but ill do some googling on the subject. thanks for the help
quickest way to check air seal is to place some paper over the mag well, with the rifle turned upside down. Then fire it a few time, if the paper moves excessively there's an issue with air seal between the hop up chamber and gearbox.
To check the seal inside the gear box you have to open it up.
What you're trying to do is simulate the spring moving into the cylinder so grab the cylinder along with the cylinder head into your hand and cover the cylinder head opening with your thumb, then as fast as you can push the piston assembly into the cylidner. If it goes in really easy you're losing air and if the harder it gets to push into the cylinder the better. The AEG's I work on, I try to swap and change parts to get the piston unmovable by myself.
So when i push the piston into the cylinder it won't budge at all after it travels the first couple of centimeters into the cylinder. I usually work from here. Shim the gears. I shim them from the motor though.
Then use a 6.04 barrel and a G&G green and madbul concave nub, then chrono it and adjust the spring from there. It does mean however if the rifles is firing over after all this checking and you don't have a spare spring it's unuseable but it saves just throwing in a stronger spring to compensate for air loss
Using the exact spring you need can also increase the RoF and decrease wear and tear as the gears aren't pulling a heavy spring which means the motor can turn the internals faster as the spring isn't too heavy
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quickest way to check air seal is to place some paper over the mag well, with the rifle turned upside down. Then fire it a few time, if the paper moves excessively there's an issue with air seal between the hop up chamber and gearbox.
To check the seal inside the gear box you have to open it up.
What you're trying to do is simulate the spring moving into the cylinder so grab the cylinder along with the cylinder head into your hand and cover the cylinder head opening with your thumb, then as fast as you can push the piston assembly into the cylidner. If it goes in really easy you're losing air and if the harder it gets to push into the cylinder the better. The AEG's I work on, I try to swap and change parts to get the piston unmovable by myself.
So when i push the piston into the cylinder it won't budge at all after it travels the first couple of centimeters into the cylinder. I usually work from here. Shim the gears. I shim them from the motor though.
Then use a 6.04 barrel and a G&G green and madbul concave nub, then chrono it and adjust the spring from there. It does mean however if the rifles is firing over after all this checking and you don't have a spare spring it's unuseable but it saves just throwing in a stronger spring to compensate for air loss
Using the exact spring you need can also increase the RoF and decrease wear and tear as the gears aren't pulling a heavy spring which means the motor can turn the internals faster as the spring isn't too heavy
Hope it helps/makes sense
i get it to a certain extent. i saw a guy on youtube pushing the piston into the cylinder on my very model of gun and they could push it in real slowly so im guessing its the same for me.
would the "service" on MIA check this? would they fix it? and shim it and adjust any problems inside? doubt they do all that for the 10 euro price tag they charge0 -
i get it to a certain extent. i saw a guy on youtube pushing the piston into the cylinder on my very model of gun and they could push it in real slowly so im guessing its the same for me.
would the "service" on MIA check this? would they fix it? and shim it and adjust any problems inside? doubt they do all that for the 10 euro price tag they charge
you'd be surprised how much these things vary from model to model, even if the two are made by the same company. Best to check it yourself. Having said that, it's a new AEG, for you anyways so my advice is game with it a few times, have fun with it. You'll pick up the language and knowledge as you play airsoft and then you can start playing with it.
Honestly. I don't know if MIA's service includes that. Usually a 'service' is a re-grease not much more. Personally I'd bring it to a retailer and get them to do the work and as them what exactly you want. Alternatively look around on Boards for people that will do the work for you. Myself will look at it for you if you want, Leftyflip I'm sure will too. There are plenty of other people too 0 -
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http://www.airsoftguns.ie/maintenance-tools/1023-gamo-177-22-airsoft-airguns-cleaner-kit.html
ive put that into my cart. anything else i need? i have no clue if i need anyhting else or not
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its hard for me to know the distance but its not far off being half a football pitch. i ca surpass the target but the bb comes out of the barrel bit to the right and swerves inward toward the target. no noticeable accuracy issues when aiming at anything close range like 10 metres away
well 10 metres is probably a bit useless really. You should hit a target pretty easily everytime at 35 metres. Your BB's curving may be due to your barrel not sitting right in your hop up chamber.
That kit you linked really isn't all that necessary. Just use a standard cleaning rod with some wet cloth on it and that should be fine
You seem to be stressing about this
Relax, have some fun with it. It's your first rifle mate. have some fun, go out and game and get parts as you need them. I admire your foresight in getting the cleaning kit though as i have had a few rifles in here which are dirty byond believe, never mind given to me in a plastic bag, loaded, mag in it and the battery connected so keep that mind set but don't worry about all that stuff too much, treat your rifle right and it'll keep working. It'll break eventually but they're easily fixed 0 -
well 10 metres is probably a bit useless really. You should hit a target pretty easily everytime at 35 metres. Your BB's curving may be due to your barrel not sitting right in your hop up chamber.
That kit you linked really isn't all that necessary. Just use a standard cleaning rod with some wet cloth on it and that should be fine
You seem to be stressing about this
Relax, have some fun with it. It's your first rifle mate. have some fun, go out and game and get parts as you need them. I admire your foresight in getting the cleaning kit though as i have had a few rifles in here which are dirty byond believe, never mind given to me in a plastic bag, loaded, mag in it and the battery connected so keep that mind set but don't worry about all that stuff too much, treat your rifle right and it'll keep working. It'll break eventually but they're easily fixed
ill get a standard one then. and some of that silicone spray, right?
ah im delighted with the gun anyways. ill see how the cleaning goes!0 -
ill get a standard one then. and some of that silicone spray, right?
ah im delighted with the gun anyways. ill see how the cleaning goes!
yeah get a standard one, they're far cheaper.
nope don't bother with the silicon oil. If you're only really worried about the cleaning of the barrel there's little point. just use water when cleaning the barrel if you decide to use silicon make sure you run a dry bit of cloth through the barrel after, well do this for water too but especially with silicon just to make sure you get it all out of the barrel.
Silicon oil is good for moving parts in GBB pistol and rifles. In an AEG it can only cause problems.0 -
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yeah get a standard one, they're far cheaper.
nope don't bother with the silicon oil. If you're only really worried about the cleaning of the barrel there's little point. just use water when cleaning the barrel if you decide to use silicon make sure you run a dry bit of cloth through the barrel after, well do this for water too but especially with silicon just to make sure you get it all out of the barrel.
Silicon oil is good for moving parts in GBB pistol and rifles. In an AEG it can only cause problems.
oh really? so i can just clean it with water and a tissue? so after i get this rod, i could possibly have a more accurate gun?0 -
oh really? so i can just clean it with water and a tissue? so after i get this rod, i could possibly have a more accurate gun?
yeah. Get some cloth, tissue paper can go all mushy and fall apart in your barrel. Just use a damp bit of cloth, not wet. I should really clarify. Well cleaning probably won't make all that much of a difference unless it's literally filthy. But yeah use damp cloth and the cleaning rod, then keep cleaning the barrel till the cloth comes out clean.
Don't expect to reach people out at like 80 metres really is my advice, it'll likely never happen. I can reach people at 55 accurately and 65 at a push and a few tracer BB's for guidance 0
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