Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

NTMK

glued wrote: »

Not surprised at all. McCarthy is a lovely little player.

no issue at all with mcCarthy just a bit of a strange target after the last 2 weeks

GSPfan

From Kroos to James McCarthy. Ha. What a 24 hours.

I'd actually love to sign him and get rid of Cleverley in one go. I'd actually swap them Fellaini for McCarthy if push came to shove.

Will I Amnt

McCarthy is not good enough for where we want to get back to. If this is the calibre of player we are after then say hello to many seasons of mediocrity.

dor843088

Koke publicly snubbed united aswell . Were like an ugly dude at a disco at the moment .

GSPfan

Will I Amnt wrote: »

McCarthy is not good enough for where we want to get back to. If this is the calibre of player we are after then say hello to many seasons of mediocrity.

Go away outta that. We cant just buy 30 million pound players and above. Buying McCarthy for say 18 million and selling Cleverley for about 8 million actually improves us. And we are not far off Champions League qualification. We can easily finish 4th with a bit of improvement.

Cantona's Collars

Just to cheer everybody up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUF5HYYqtVg

adox

Will I Amnt wrote: »

McCarthy is not good enough for where we want to get back to. If this is the calibre of player we are after then say hello to many seasons of mediocrity.

I agree. Would be all the more bizarre considering we spunked £37 million on a player we didnt really need in January. The main area of the team that needs serious attention and has done for the last few years, is the midfield. The money is obviously there to bring in quality players so lets hope McCarthy isnt where the bar is being set.

Anyway, its all paper talk at the moment.Lets see how it plays out.

Macca07

GSPfan wrote: »

Go away outta that. We cant just buy 30 million pound players and above. Buying McCarthy for say 18 million and selling Cleverley for about 8 million actually improves us. And we are not far off Champions League qualification. We can easily finish 4th with a bit of improvement.

The thing that bugs me about the possible McCarthy transfer is that he should've been bought last summer when we were crying out for midfielders. He's had a great season with Everton, and the majority of people on here would've seen him play regularly before that. He mightn't be at the level that we want at the moment, but he's only 23, and a lot better option that Cleverly or Anderson.

GSPfan

Buying McCarthy for less than 20 million is a very good idea. Not sure Everton would go for it but maybe with a bit of money and Cleverley as an option for them then they might.

If United bought 3 players of McCarthy's quality and 2 absolute world class stars id be happy. I'd class Shaw as a McCarthy type buy too cause he is still young and unproven. We have to be realistic as well as optimistic.

GSPfan

Macca07 wrote: »

The thing that bugs me about the possible McCarthy transfer is that he should've been bought last summer when we were crying out for midfielders. He's had a great season with Everton, and the majority of people on here would've seen him play regularly before that. He mightn't be at the level that we want at the moment, but he's only 23, and a lot better option that Cleverly or Anderson.

Totally agree. He got a lot of mentions from people here last year and i cant remember anyone disagreeing. Cleverley Carrick and Anderson need to be phased out, either to the bench or sold. McCarthy is a start if we could get him.

MagicIRL

It's ok lads, Uncle Louis will bring Strootman with him and then we'll be laughing.

Kerrydude1981

zerks wrote: »

Just to cheer everybody up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUF5HYYqtVg

Love Giggsy's reaction to Phil Neville's step overs

Mitch Connor

The only thing I can think of re. Kross is that he would have been identified as the tempo setting midfield player - which is what Strootman is for Holland in LVGs set up, and LVG wants Strootman for that role at United. Rumours we bid for him the other night, rejected.

That being said, we have no idea what formation LVG is going to use at United, so we don't really no what type of midfielder we are after.

Still, gutted regarding Kroos. I don't know what has happened in the last 48hours, but I really do doubt that we were never an option for Kroos, regardless of what he has said.

bangkok

kryogen wrote: »

Well Bangkok, you have some tough questions to answer here, or not.

Anyways, as long as you don't get swept away like a hysterical teenager the transfer window will be fine, just don't believe the hype.

We know players will be coming in this summer, we know players will be leaving. Unless there is something concrete there is really no point and no need to get your knickers in a twist. Journos will spread rumours, papers will do whatever they can to sell and ITK's will be twats

Use your brain and relax

if it is true and kroos is not coming well then so be it... but like I said a few days ago nothing is set in stone until the player is lined out on the pitch playing a game.... but if it was LVG that pulled the plug on the deal I will be very disappointed

Will I Amnt

GSPfan wrote: »

Go away outta that. We cant just buy 30 million pound players and above. Buying McCarthy for say 18 million and selling Cleverley for about 8 million actually improves us. And we are not far off Champions League qualification. We can easily finish 4th with a bit of improvement.

Finishing 4th isn't getting back to where we want to be...

You're right though, buying McCarthy would improve the squad but it's the first 11 that needs improving, especially in midfield. If McCarthy was signed I'd still be wanting 2 more midfielders along with him and I don't know if an ever present starter for Everton would be happy to take a place on the bench for the majority of the season, if he is then fine but if he's supposed to be the answer to the midfield deficiencies then f*ck that.

Will I Amnt

MagicIRL wrote: »

It's ok lads, Uncle Louis will bring Strootman with him and then we'll be laughing.

I hadn't seen much of him before he went to Roma but he's been immense any time I've seen him play for them. A real powerhouse, would be delighted with him so long as his injury can be gotten over without complications.

TheDoc

Genuinely not interested in transfer gossip now that Kroos told me no.

Not going to follow it with sby interest until a signing is confirmed

yermandan

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I don't know what has happened in the last 48hours, but I really do doubt that we were never an option for Kroos, regardless of what he has said.

I think that's exactly what he said (Kroos)

redbaron_99

If van gaal pulled the plug on the kroos deal, he must have someone else in mind for the role of deep playmaker. Strootman would be obvious, but what's his injury situation. From what I can gather he would not be fit until September. Is this right?

Mitch Connor

yermandan wrote: »

I think that's exactly what he said (Kroos)

and I doubt that is the truth, as I said.

Players can say whatever they like once deals are done or dead, doesn't make it true. You say whatever will keep you current or new fans best pleased with you, imo.

Will I Amnt

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Finishing 4th isn't getting back to where we want to be...

You're right though, buying McCarthy would improve the squad but it's the first 11 that needs improving, especially in midfield. If McCarthy was signed I'd still be wanting 2 more midfielders along with him and I don't know if an ever present starter for Everton would be happy to take a place on the bench for the majority of the season, if he is then fine but if he's supposed to be the answer to the midfield deficiencies then f*ck that.

Wouldn't it all depend on who plays in front of him? Would you take two world class attacking midfilders and him sitting behind them? I can only see him being used as a holding / defensive midfielder.

Have to admit it's a very odd transfer target though.

irishfeen

Do people actually believe LVG actually pulled the plug on signing Kroos? ... Nonsense, Bayern informed United that Kroos repented and United saved face by leaking it to the press.

PS. The club will be delighted that so many are falling for it.

bangkok

irishfeen wrote: »

Do people actually believe LVG actually pulled the plug on signing Kroos? ... Nonsense, Bayern informed United that Kroos repented and United saved face by leaking it to the press.

he worked with him before, maybe he knows something that we don't? had a falling out or something..

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Saying Lvg want interested was a smart move. Kroos thought he could use united like so many other players have done recently. Thankfully united read the signs and got out of town and saved face before it became another cesc type.saga.

Good point. Didn't think of it that way.

MagicIRL

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I hadn't seen much of him before he went to Roma but he's been immense any time I've seen him play for them. A real powerhouse, would be delighted with him so long as his injury can be gotten over without complications.

I honestly expect Strootman to sign at some point. January at the latest, depending how his injury pans out. I also expect Lawrence, Wilson, Janko, Keane and Valera to be promoted to the first time throughout the season.

I also think Young, Carrick, Fletcher, Evra, one of Smalling/Jones/Evans are finished at the club and will be moved on over the course of the season.

We'll sign Shaw and Stootman, but we still need a CB as well as another midfielder. With any luck Fellaini comes good under LvG (I expect he will) and he'll actually play a decent role in the team. He looked much better going forward under Giggs than holding under Moyes.

I expect players to be bought, but not a whole new team. I don't know much about LvG, but from what I read he likes to promote youth in his teams. I could really see a lot of the younger guys playing back-up roles next season.

De Gea (Lindegaard/Amos)

Rafael(Valera/Janko [Also plays RW]) - Jones/Smalling/Evans(Keane) - New CB - Shaw (Buttner)

Fellaini - Strootman (U21 Midfielder?)

Mata (Kagawa)

Welbeck - RVP - Rooney (Wilson/Hernandez/Henriquez)

Will I Amnt

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Wouldn't it all depend on who plays in front of him? Would you take two world class attacking midfilders and him sitting behind them? I can only see him being used as a holding / defensive midfielder.

Have to admit it's a very odd transfer target though.

I just can't see 3 starting midfielders being signed in the Summer. It's probably going to be one of Fellaini and Carrick and a maximum of 2 incoming.
Could be wrong of course but I'm not seeing the complete transformation of almost every position in the team that some are suggesting.
I expect there will be a lot of money spent on not so many players.

ericzeking

So is the only quote about this whole Kroos thing that one from Bild?

Is Bild not similar to Marca?

Is it not just as likely as unlikely to be BS as any of the positive agent quotes we saw yesterday?

Tis like someone died here!!

I'd go along with MagicIRL above....I expect LVG to improve some of our current players to fit into his systems and to promote youth who he can mould and maybe not buy as many as we all think and certainly not the profile of player we all think, for the most part anyway....I had a look back through the teams he puts out for the Dutch there the other week, lots of players you wouldn't have heard of and some from some less fashionable clubs in Holland...that guy Fer from Norwich gets quite a bit of game time with him.

I have to say it's all very intriguing....and exciting

Reedsie

MagicIRL wrote: »

With any luck Fellaini comes good under LvG (I expect he will)

The Express say United are cutting their losses and looking for a buyer for Fellaini at £15million.

MagicIRL

Paddy_R wrote: »

The Express say United are cutting their losses and looking for a buyer for Fellaini at £15million.

Unless the BBC say it, I couldn't give a ****! :cool:

billyhead

Folks,
Is Kevin Stootman actually any good. Also if you seen him play in the Italian league and perform well it would certainly be no indicator as to how he will perform in EPL and hopefully CL after next season. What sort of player is he i.e defensive or attcking midfielder and is he a regualr with Holland when fit of course.

irishfeen

bangkok wrote: »

he worked with him before, maybe he knows something that we don't? had a falling out or something..

Could very well be but IMO fairly unlikely - Kroos tried to force Bayern into a corner and get a massive new payout, they refused blank and Kroos himself obviously doesn't want to move away.

Mitch Connor

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I just can't see 3 starting midfielders being signed in the Summer. It's probably going to be one of Fellaini and Carrick and a maximum of 2 incoming.
Could be wrong of course but I'm not seeing the complete transformation of almost every position in the team that some are suggesting.
I expect there will be a lot of money spent on not so many players.

I reckon we could (and should) get two starting midfielders.

---

De Gea
Rafael--Smalling--CB--Shaw (maybe)

---

Strootman-CM

---

Mata
Januzaj--RVP---Rooney

Have Fellaini, Carrick, Cleverly to back up Strootman (or whomever and the other CM), Kagawa to backup Mata, or Rooney can drop in.

I think we could see massive changes in the next 2 or 3 seasons, but it won't be all in one go. I think Cleverley, Carrick and Fellaini could remain as squad players the coming season, and maybe moved on the following summer and replaced with better squad players.

Schwiiing

How long before Utd are linked with the entire Dutch WC squad? Papers going with Janmaat, Indi Martins and Clasie this morning. Although 1 paper has Clasie as a target for Swansea/Crystal Palace so which level is he at?

veXual

Supposed interest in James McCarthy being reported by Sky with Cleverly going the other way. Martinez is a big fan of Cleverly's so cash + player could persuade him. I'd imagine McCarthy would fit a role similar to Carrick's if anything ever did come of this. All here say I suppose...

veXual

veXual wrote: »

Supposed interest in James McCarthy being reported by Sky with Cleverly going the other way. Martinez is a big fan of Cleverly's so cash + player could persuade him. I'd imagine McCarthy would fit a role similar to Carrick's if anything ever did come of this. All here say I suppose...

Your getting a better player in McCarthy so it's an upgrade at least.

glued

People looking for van Gaal to bring in 5-6 players are living in a fantasy world. The maximum I can see is 3 first team players being brought in this summer; a left back, an experienced centre half and a central midfielder. We can't go into the season with just Smalling, Jones and Evans but they have to be allowed to battle it out for the position, adding an experienced centre half into the mix would be good for stability and injury cover. A left back needs to be bought. I think Evra will stay. It's vital that we keep some experience along that back four and Evra is a huge leader in the squad and has tonnes of experience. If he wants to stay and is fine with less playing time then he should definitely stick around.

A midfielder should be bought. But let's not forget we're still carrying Fletcher, Carrick, Cleverley and Fellaini. Fellaini is a good player. He was short of confidence last year and he was dreadful but so was Carrick, Cleverley and Fletcher. Nobody had any ground around the middle and the team suffered because of Moyes' constant pandering to Rooney by letting him do what he wants around the field. The whole tactical set up was clearly wrong from Moyes and it wasn't just Rooney either, constantly playing with width when we didn't have the players doesn't help either. There was huge spaces in the middle. Carrick or Fellaini beside a new central midfielder should be a decent combination to move forward with.

De Gea
Rafael Smalling/Jones Evans/Jones LB
CM Fellaini
Kagawa
Mata van Persie Januzaj

We know Kagawa is going to have a bigger role under van Gaal. Ferguson and Moyes' inability to use Kagawa properly was inexcusable when the team was crying out for another creative player.

bantee

McCarthy would definitely be an improvement on Cleverley but wouldn't be of the calibre of midfielder that we badly need right now. Pity about Kroos, would've been ideal.

mike65

United consider £12m move for Dnipro winger Konoplyanka

A couple of weeks ago Liverpool seemed to indicate that they wouldn't go back for him, with the likes of Greizmann, Sanchez, Pedro being looked at.

dor843088

bantee wrote: »

McCarthy would definitely be an improvement on Cleverley but wouldn't be of the calibre of midfielder that we badly need right now. Pity about Kroos, would've been ideal.

Agreed weve got enough mediocrity in that area as it is . We need a world class signing .

Macca07

dor843088 wrote: »

Agreed weve got enough mediocrity in that area as it is . We need a world class signing .

Sky have pulled the piece from the website, so it looks like it was a load of sh!te

Macca07

billyhead wrote: »

Folks,
Is Kevin Stootman actually any good. Also if you seen him play in the Italian league and perform well it would certainly be no indicator as to how he will perform in EPL and hopefully CL after next season. What sort of player is he i.e defensive or attcking midfielder and is he a regualr with Holland when fit of course.

Strootman would be a holding midfielder, but is just as good when used as a box-to-box midfielder. Earlier in his career he was compared to Keane. He would be in the first 11 for Holland in the WC only for the injury and played close to every qualifying game. Only 24 as well, and was very suprised when we didn't try and get him last summer. Picked up a bad knee injury in March, and expected to be out til August. He was the best player at the Euro U21 cup last summer after Thiago.

Macca07

Macca07 wrote: »

Sky have pulled the piece from the website, so it looks like it was a load of sh!te

On par with the Daily-Fail ATM

Rayne Wooney

Strootman is more box to box than deep lying.

We need a real top quality signing in CM, I hope the rumours are true and we are in for Fabregas, now that the Kroos door looks shut.

Mitch Connor

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Strootman is more box to box than deep lying.

We need a real top quality signing in CM, I hope the rumours are true and we are in for Fabregas, now that the Kroos door looks shut.

He is used as the tempo setting midfielder in the Dutch side by Van Gaal, and he considers Strootman and RVP to be the most important players.

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Strootman is more box to box than deep lying.

We need a real top quality signing in CM, I hope the rumours are true and we are in for Fabregas, now that the Kroos door looks shut.

What's the latest rumours on Fabregas? Hopefully it doesnt turn into last summer again ala nonsense bidding for a player who doesn't want to leave or a club who doesn't want to sell.

TheDoc

Kinda as I said.

Could have bought him for 15 m last summer. Said he'd to go Roma and be immense and if you want him your paying 30m+

Was a pivotal cog in Romas romping success for the first half of the season. Injury aside is nailed on Dutch captain after RVP anf cemented his place pretty much on arrival to the Dutch senior team.

He's going to be a serious European CM and we dilly dallied and will pay through the nose now. Injured or not.

bullvine

What about jordy classie?

Will I Amnt

Fabregas and Strootman is still dreamland stuff for me anyway. People wouldn't be long forgetting about Kroos if that were to happen.
These are the type of signings that I will only be happy with this time, pissing about with mediocre to barely good names isn't going to cut it.

Rayne Wooney

Mitch Connor wrote: »

He is used as the tempo setting midfielder in the Dutch side by Van Gaal, and he considers Strootman and RVP to be the most important players.

If De Jong, Clasie or Schaars is playing he plays as the box to box with Sneijder or van der Vaart playing the creative role. If De Guzzman is playing he plays the deeper role. In WC Qualification he played the box to box role more often than the deeper role and he's so much better there IMO.

If we're buying him it should be for that role, because, while good playing deeper, he's not in the same league as someone like Fabregas at doing it.

Cantona's Collars

At least a new winger looks more likely: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/23/manchester-united-move-yevhen-konoplyanka-ukraine-winger-dnipro

Seems like he prefers United over Liverpool.