Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

Pro. F

Lukker- wrote: »

DIdn't realise that. Strange, always knew it as 4-2-3-1, does the no.10 operate a bit deeper than a standard no.10?

As far as I can tell it just varies from manager to manager and team to team. Even though a lot (or most) Dutch managers will describe it as a 433, some will have the number 10 doing a lot of tracking back, some will have a lazier 10. So some will use what you and I would imagine a 433 to be, others use what we'd call a 4231.

Lucas Hood

Pro. F wrote: »

There is a number 10 in the formation that van Gaal calls his 433. He uses two hard working central midfielders, two wide men, a number 10 and a centre forward. I'd normally think of a 433 as having one deep lying defensive CM and two CMs who get up and down the pitch, but I've seen a few other Dutch coaches describe the 433 the same way LvG does. I think what those Dutch coaches are calling a 433 would usually be called a 4231 by other nationalities.

So there is a number 10 job there for Mata in van Gaal's system, if he wants to give it to him.

That's what I've been thinking , I've read that a number 10 is very important to Van Gaal systems.

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Lucas Hood wrote: »

That's what I've been thinking , I've read that a number 10 is very important to Van Gaal systems.

Yeah he has said it's important and he sees/has used two types of #10's. The classical #10, used as third midfielder (he cites his use of Litamnen at Ajax) or the "second striker #10" (used Bergkamp with Netherlands), but he prefers the former.

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How much each for the World Cup Sweeps? €20 to make things interesting?? (with an increase on things for which you can win)

newballsplease

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Any of the free transfer players be worth a punt on even as squad players?

Ashley Cole. Would def take him as a backup to Shaw. Think of the experience he could bring for 1 or 2 years.

Lucas Hood

newballsplease wrote: »

Ashley Cole. Would def take him as a backup to Shaw. Think of the experience he could bring for 1 or 2 years.

We've already got one Lb thats past his best.

keane2097

Lucas Hood wrote: »

We've already got one Lb thats past his best.

Ashley Cole is nowhere near as past his best as Evra is. Cole is still class.

newballsplease

I didnt actually realise Evra signed a 1 year extension. But from what i saw of A.Cole... He stilllooks like he can play at the Top for another couple of years. Evra is well past it to compare the two.

Donnielighto

irishfeen wrote: »

How much each for the World Cup Sweeps? €20 to make things interesting?? (with an increase on things for which you can win)

Ah it's set leave it.

Copper_pipe

I laughed too much at this

Headshot

99p is a tad much

Degag

Pochettino gone to Spurs. Hopefully will speed things up with Shaw.

irishfeen

Donnielighto wrote: »

Ah it's set leave it.

Ha OK, I was just wondering what people thought about increasing it.

Lord TSC

Degag wrote: »

Pochettino gone to Spurs. Hopefully will speed things up with Shaw.

You'd imagine that could be the start of the exodus now...

Vic Vinegar

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

You'd imagine that could be the start of the exodus now...

Shaw and Schneiderlin would be nice!

hufpc8w3adnk65

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

You'd imagine that could be the start of the exodus now...

Thats a HUGE job for whoever goes In There now!!

Lord TSC

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Shaw and Schneiderlin would be nice!

Certainly would. Would like Lalana as well if he was cheap (he won't be though).

Ward-Prouse always does well in FM as well :P

Pro. F

Of Southampton's midfielders and forwards Jack Cork is the one I'd have far ahead of all the rest.

Donnielighto

Pro. F wrote: »

Of Southampton's midfielders and forwards Jack Cork is the one I'd have far ahead of all the rest.

Isnt he old enough now.

Whatsisname

Donnielighto wrote: »

Isnt he old enough now.

Only 24

upstairs for coffee

Pro. F wrote: »

Of Southampton's midfielders and forwards Jack Cork is the one I'd have far ahead of all the rest.

Ah stop it. Such a hipster thing to say.

Schneiderlin is miles ahead of Cork.

Donnielighto

Whatsisname wrote: »

Only 24

Thought he was older. At any rate I wouldnt have him any more than a tidy midfielder.

markc1184

Is it possible that Southampton trying to negotiate with Pochettino is what has held up the Shaw deal?

Lord TSC

markc1184 wrote: »

Is it possible that Southampton trying to negotiate with Pochettino is what has held up the Shaw deal?

I think it's more likely they know if they wait 6 weeks, they might be able to squeeze another 5m out of him (after the WC).

There's a reason NO premier league team has managed to do much business yet...

Whatsisname

Could it be Ponchettino couldn't be assured that his star players wouldn't be sold this summer and decided to jump ship? Can definitely see Shaw, Lallana, Schneiderlin and Lovren leaving now.

Is it wrong that I wouldn't say no to any of those?

Obviously wouldn't happen but they're all quality, imo.

Augmerson

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

There's a reason NO premier league team has managed to do much business yet...

Is that reason that the Transfer window hasn't opened yet in England?

Mars Bar

Augmerson wrote: »

Is that reason that the Transfer window hasn't opened yet in England?

Clubs can still do deals and announce them

The_Kew_Tour

You would feel sorry for Southampton fans.
Having the spine of that club being ripped out now.

They may make money but who is to say they can get replacements if same quality. I hope they do for their sake or at least have a strong enough team to do ok next season.

Augmerson

Mars Bar wrote: »

Clubs can still do deals and announce them

Is that not a bit strange? I never put too much thought into it. I assumed that clubs are in negotiations prior to the opening of the transfer window but nothing can be official until after June 9?

Cookiemunster

Augmerson wrote: »

Is that not a bit strange? I never put too much thought into it. I assumed that clubs are in negotiations prior to the opening of the transfer window but nothing can be official until after June 9?

June 9th? Window opens July 1st. Clubs can announce when they want (Barca have already paraded Ter Stegen), but the transfer doesn't become official unitl July 1st.

Pro. F

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

Ah stop it. Such a hipster thing to say.

Schneiderlin is miles ahead of Cork.

He is in his bollocks.

The_Kew_Tour

WC only 2weeks away now. If things ain't done by weekend I say twill be after WC unless player is not WC bound.

Pro. F

Donnielighto wrote: »

Thought he was older. At any rate I wouldnt have him any more than a tidy midfielder.

Being tidy with the ball is a fairly important part of a midfielder's job. And Cork's first touch and close control is better than anybody else in the team.

His defensive positioning and discipline are very good. Good at tackling. Excellent close control and good passing. He's the one who makes their midfield tick.

TheDoc

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

WC only 2weeks away now. If things ain't done by weekend I say twill be after WC unless player is not WC bound.

No major problem if certain WC bound players are happy with a proposal and it's just dotting the i's crossing the t's. Sure wont be available to the club until after WC anyway

Worry is if nothing starts gaining momentum

Rayne Wooney

Pochettino going means a fire sale is on the way, I think he said he would stay if they didn't sell his players

Shaw is going and I wouldn't be too surprised if Liverpool got Lovren, Clyne and Lallana

The_Kew_Tour

TheDoc wrote: »

No major problem if certain WC bound players are happy with a proposal and it's just dotting the i's crossing the t's. Sure wont be available to the club until after WC anyway

Worry is if nothing starts gaining momentum

I think Shaw signing would have eased few fans heart rate for a month anyway with WC on. Just hope we are in a positive position to sign who we want etc and not in limbo like last season.

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I see Tony Strudwick is working with England now.

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Pro. F wrote: »

He is in his bollocks.

I'll get the stats for you later but here is a cheap barometer. Cork linked to Fulham last season, Shneiderlin linked to quality clubs.


So you are telling me, Utd are given the chance of signing one of Cork or Schneiderlin and you choose Cork?!

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