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Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081
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Manutd_4life wrote: »We dont know anything and neither do the journos. they just continue to make bs stories as its their job. I just got a good feeling we have some good news coming our way. Sometimes i really feel like im the only optimistic one here
Optimism is very like delusion in this case.
I'm sticking with realism this Summer. Have no head space for the rumours.0 -
The_Kew_Tour wrote: »everytime I say his name its in a Ronnie Whelan voice
Nah, you got to do it like this guy
"Get SCHWEIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNSTIEGER, SCHNELL!!!!!!!!"0 -
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Mitch Connor wrote: »was said in one of the fanzines in january that Sando (the lb i think) is a player we were looking at - no idea if that interest is maintained.
Heard rumoured interest, a season or two ago I remember, but nothing recently. Haven't been keeping up to date with his development really, or Danilo but both appear to be doing well, he could be at the very least used in the negotiations with Southampton surely, "look if you don't want £30m for an 18 year old that's grand, we will just buy this lad with CL experience for about £12m instead" Of course, as its United, and Porto it would probably be closer to £20m
Edit:Yeah, **** it just buy em both, Sandro and Danilo, Danilo can cover midfield too and right wing if needed sure*
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I don't get how those quotes lead to people bashing Woodward tbh; by that account, Woodward had Kroos wrapped up, Cavani ready to join, but it was LVG who made the call to tear up the plans and start again. So how does that lead to "OMG, WOODWARD!".
If anything, this "obsession" with buying a marquee signing seems to be exactly what everyone is calling for; to start bringing in genuine world class talent. But apparently Woodward is being slammed for this desire?
And how is it a shambles? New, better manager in wanting his own targets shocker! Of course sacking Moyes was going to reset a good few transfers. That's part and parcel of replacing the management and his staff.
It strikes me, or at least feels to me, like people want to give out about LVG, because by all acounts, it's him shutting the door on deals for Kroos, Fabregas, Cavani. But so too do they realise doing so before he even officially starts is the height of spoiledness and so instead just vent on Woodward over everything, even when it makes no sense....
"LVG wants his own targets! God Damn it, Woodward!"
"Woodward wants to bring in top players! God Damn it, Woodward!"
"It's raining today! God damn it, Woodward!"0 -
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Teamshadowclan wrote: »I don't get how those quotes lead to people bashing Woodward tbh; by that account, Woodward had Kroos wrapped up, Cavani ready to join, but it was LVG who made the call to tear up the plans and start again. So how does that lead to "OMG, WOODWARD!".
" i dont see anybody bashing woodward over those quotes, do you???
i do see no point however in signing a marquee player for crazy money in a position we already have 2 world class players, in fact apart from a GK, strikers is the last position we need to sign anybody. if we did sign Cavani and nobody else, would you be happy with the likes of Cleverly and Fletcher behind them?
you need to take a step back and be realistic that anybody who is not happy with our transfer approaches have a very simple demand - we need a world class centerback and two world class midfielders as a priority, once we achieve this people will be happy. anything else as a priority is just mindlessness, especially if it takes focus off our problematic areas which it appears to have been the case last summer.Teamshadowclan wrote: »New, better manager in wanting his own targets shocker! Of course sacking Moyes was going to reset a good few transfers.
so tell me...you are happy to believe the good side of the "claims" ie - Woodward had Cavani and Kroos signed up, so i assume you also believe the part i spoke about - that LVG is turning his nose up at the likes of Kroos in favour of Young Dutch players - would you be happy if we signed 2 or 3 Dutch players and no world class centerbacks or midfielders?0 -
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Larry Wildman wrote: »If only some of that is true, we're a f..king shambles
Its a good thing it isn't then 0 -
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I have been someone who believes United are saying we turned down players who have turned us down, BUT, it is very plausible that LVG being the stubborn Iron Tulip that he is, didn't have a good impression of a young Kroos at Bayern so doesn't want him at United.
Young Kroos was unreal though
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homerjay2005 wrote: » i dont see anybody bashing woodward over those quotes, do you???
The quotes themselves are very much Anti-Woodward, when they imply Fergie can't stand him, that he sees United as a business over a club...the point of the quotes is to try and spin the problems into problems with Woodward. I've seen plenty of people attacking him over them on Reddit and Twitter.i do see no point however in signing a marquee player for crazy money in a position we already have 2 world class players, in fact apart from a GK, strikers is the last position we need to sign anybody. if we did sign Cavani and nobody else, would you be happy with the likes of Cleverly and Fletcher behind them?
1. I don't believe it's one or the other, Cavani or a CM. As I said this morning, these sorts of "A" or "B" questions do nothing, especially when heavily loaded.
2. The idea seems to be that Cavani was being lined up for Moyes; everything pointed to RVP leaving the club if Moyes had stayed, Welbeck had started making noises about leaving, Hernandez looked on his way out (and still does), so under Moyes, it seems perfectly understandable that we'd have had to go looking for a striker, in which case we most definitely would have needed a top level one.you need to take a step back and be realistic that anybody who is not happy with our transfer approaches have a very simple demand - we need a world class centerback and two world class midfielders as a priority, once we achieve this people will be happy. anything else as a priority is just mindlessness, especially if it takes focus off our problematic areas which it appears to have been the case last summer.
Ah here, don't be misrepresenting me. I have zero problems with people wanting those things. I want them to. My personal grievance comes from people who want them today.
As I often said, there's no bonus points for speed here. I want the right players brought in and if the club need time to do that, then they should get it. It's the lack of patience that winds me up.so tell me...you are happy to believe the good side of the "claims" ie - Woodward had Cavani and Kroos signed up, so i assume you also believe the part i spoke about - that LVG is turning his nose up at the likes of Kroos in favour of Young Dutch players - would you be happy if we signed 2 or 3 Dutch players and no world class centerbacks or midfielders?
Ultimately, I trust LVG. I look at his CV and how he built teams, I read how it's not about the stars but the philosophy being imposed, I believe that you have to (especially 4 weeks after his announcement a few before he starts) believe in his philosophy. You have to believe he has a plan.
He'll have to start implementing the plan fast when he comes in and we'll expect results quickly. Everything points to LVG wanting to win the league and you have to trust him as the manager to do what he thinks it takes to do that. I do think it's another pointless hypothetical; I think we'll get one or two top players before the deadline passes. But you're the very one who has asked people to lower their expectations and now seem to be annoyed some people have.
We often said that Moyes' main problem was no vision, no evidence of a plan. That's what I personally want from LVG; a philosophy, a vision. A long term plan.0 -
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Teamshadowclan wrote: »I don't get how those quotes lead to people bashing Woodward tbh; by that account, Woodward had Kroos wrapped up, Cavani ready to join, but it was LVG who made the call to tear up the plans and start again. So how does that lead to "OMG, WOODWARD!".
If anything, this "obsession" with buying a marquee signing seems to be exactly what everyone is calling for; to start bringing in genuine world class talent. But apparently Woodward is being slammed for this desire?
And how is it a shambles? New, better manager in wanting his own targets shocker! Of course sacking Moyes was going to reset a good few transfers. That's part and parcel of replacing the management and his staff.
It strikes me, or at least feels to me, like people want to give out about LVG, because by all acounts, it's him shutting the door on deals for Kroos, Fabregas, Cavani. But so too do they realise doing so before he even officially starts is the height of spoiledness and so instead just vent on Woodward over everything, even when it makes no sense....
"LVG wants his own targets! God Damn it, Woodward!"
"Woodward wants to bring in top players! God Damn it, Woodward!"
"It's raining today! God damn it, Woodward!"
Great post. There is an element within the fanzines and the press that don't like Woodward becuase he's not allowing the information to trickle down to them. It's as simple as that.0 -
Teamshadowclan wrote: »My personal grievance comes from people who want them today.
errm no, people wanted them last summer....and the summer before that. you cant just write off what happened last year.Teamshadowclan wrote: »But you're the very one who has asked people to lower their expectations and now seem to be annoyed some people have.
this is the second time youve posted this and ill repeat the answer i gave you back then - there is a difference between what the club needs and what we should expect them to deliver.
we need at least 4 world class players to close on city and chelsea but the club seems incable of delivering this going on whats happened in the last 12 months added to the fact that time is not on our side with the WC. we all HOPE they deliver, but the likelyhood is they wont.don't like Woodward becuase he's not allowing the information to trickle down to them. It's as simple as that. there is more information coming from the club since he took over than ever before and alot of this is being apportioned to Woodward.
maybe, just maybe the press, fanzines and other people dont like him because he is not a very likable person? the only place i see people defending him is on here.0 -
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