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Zico

Woodward fails to sign Fabregas again, at least he didn't make a laughing stock of the club this time, maybe he's learning.

I still think he should have been sacked before Moyes.

Agueroooo

StarshipPooper wrote: »

But Aguero didn't mention anything about offering Champion's League football.

It is a factor and I did mention it on a reply a couple of pages back, but imo Chelsea will pay whatever wage it would have taken (they have Luiz money to spunk) to land Cesc, and London would have been a big factor also.

I don't believe the £150k pw either.

shadowcomplex

I'm not too dis-inhearted by the Fabregas to Chelsea deal, I think the reason we didn't sign him is because LVG likes his central midfielders to be solid which is why I think there may be truth in the Schweinstegger rumours.
Strootman and Schweinstegger would add goals , creativity and also a lot of protection to the back 4. I think Chelsea will play Fabregas in the number 10 role because Mourinho too likes his central mids to be solid, as a number 10 I think Chelsea sold us a better player in Juan Mata

Manutd_4life

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I'm not too dis-inhearted by the Fabregas to Chelsea deal, I think the reason we didn't sign him is because LVG likes his central midfielders to be solid which is why I think there may be truth in the Schweinstegger rumours.
Strootman and Schweinstegger would add goals , creativity and also a lot of protection to the back 4. I think Chelsea will play Fabregas in the number 10 role because Mourinho too likes his central mids to be solid, as a number 10 I think Chelsea sold us a better player than Juan Mata

AGREE

billyhead

secman wrote: »

He was on Moyes list but was not a target for LVG so no surprise there, have faith guys , LVG is a stickler for attention to detail, have no worries.............all in control...........wait and see....no speculation BS..........just business when it happens and it will happen for sure.

KEEP the FAITH........in Louis we trust.

True. Wait till AUgust 31st folks before hitting the panic buttons. We have a top class manager (someone I would prefer compared to sour grapes Mourinho and how do people know that deals have been agreed and all that's left is crossing the Ts and dotting the Is. I reckon Shaw is a done deal anyway.

Rubber_Soul

Agueroooo wrote: »

It is a factor and I did mention it on a reply a couple of pages back, but imo Chelsea will pay whatever wage it would have taken (they have Luiz money to spunk) to land Cesc, and London would have been a big factor also.

I don't believe the £150k pw either.

You know Utd have a higher wage bill than Chelsea though? Whatever they were willing to pay him we could match, could being the operative word.

shadowcomplex

Manutd_4life wrote: »

AGREE

meant to say in Juan Mata

Zico

StarshipPooper wrote: »

You know Utd have a higher wage bill than Chelsea though?

Not true

Rubber_Soul

Zico wrote: »

Not true

It was true as of April, obviously the departures of high earners like Ferdinand and Vidic may have changed that in the meantime.

Zico

StarshipPooper wrote: »

It was true as of April, obviously the departures of high earners like Ferdinand and Vidic may have changed that in the meantime.

It would help if you shared a link to your source.

Otherwise it just looks like you're making stuff up to suit your opinion.

Lucas Hood

Zico wrote: »

It would help if you shared a link to your source.

Otherwise it just looks like you're making stuff up to suit your opinion.

Same goes for you then.

Rubber_Soul

Zico wrote: »

It would help if you shared a link to your source.

Otherwise it just looks like you're making stuff up to suit your opinion.

Sure, here you go.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/chelseas-wage-bill-overtaken-by-manchester-united-for-first-time-since-2004-9236438.html

Where's yours?

redbaron_99

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I'm not too dis-inhearted by the Fabregas to Chelsea deal, I think the reason we didn't sign him is because LVG likes his central midfielders to be solid which is why I think there may be truth in the Schweinstegger rumours.
Strootman and Schweinstegger would add goals , creativity and also a lot of protection to the back 4. I think Chelsea will play Fabregas in the number 10 role because Mourinho too likes his central mids to be solid, as a number 10 I think Chelsea sold us a better player in Juan Mata

Cant see Schweinstegger leaving Bayern, and Strootman's injury should rule him out as a target in this window.

I'm not too disheartened either that we didn't get him. I am very disheartened that a team that was much better than us last season has now added a player of his caliber. They have improved since the end of the season. We have been weakened since the end of the season.

Bit worrying.

Zico

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Sure, here you go.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/chelseas-wage-bill-overtaken-by-manchester-united-for-first-time-since-2004-9236438.html

Where's yours?

http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/

http://www.cricgoal.com/premier-league-players-salaries-club-by-club-annually/

You should stop reading The Independent.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-18248540

Bannerman7

Bannerman7

Vic Vinegar

Last year's gifs getting wheeled out, original.

Rubber_Soul

Zico wrote: »

http://www.tsmplug.com/football/premier-league-player-salaries-club-by-club/

http://www.cricgoal.com/premier-league-players-salaries-club-by-club-annually/

You should stop reading The Independent.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-18248540

Ok how about Sky Sports?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9246851/premier-league-chelsea-drop-to-third-in-wages-league

Or the M.E.N. ?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-uniteds-wage-bill-higher-6916837

Or the Telegraph?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10768827/Manchester-Citys-wage-bill-is-highest-in-world-sport.html

Or the Mail?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259868/Manchester-City-leapfrog-Chelsea-Premier-League-wage-bill.html

Or the Express?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259868/Manchester-City-leapfrog-Chelsea-Premier-League-wage-bill.html



Btw your BBC link is for the year before and out of date. Here's an updated one.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27046221

Zico

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Ok how about Sky Sports?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9246851/premier-league-chelsea-drop-to-third-in-wages-league

Or the M.E.N. ?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-uniteds-wage-bill-higher-6916837

Or the Telegraph?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10768827/Manchester-Citys-wage-bill-is-highest-in-world-sport.html

Or the Mail?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259868/Manchester-City-leapfrog-Chelsea-Premier-League-wage-bill.html

Or the Express?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259868/Manchester-City-leapfrog-Chelsea-Premier-League-wage-bill.html



Btw your BBC link is for the year before and out of date. Here's an updated one.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27046221

You must be right then.

beakerjoe

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Ok how about Sky Sports?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9246851/premier-league-chelsea-drop-to-third-in-wages-league

Or the M.E.N. ?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-uniteds-wage-bill-higher-6916837

Or the Telegraph?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10768827/Manchester-Citys-wage-bill-is-highest-in-world-sport.html

Or the Mail?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259868/Manchester-City-leapfrog-Chelsea-Premier-League-wage-bill.html

Or the Express?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259868/Manchester-City-leapfrog-Chelsea-Premier-League-wage-bill.html



Btw your BBC link is for the year before and out of date. Here's an updated one.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27046221

Your arguement has been that United have a bigger wage bill, therefore can afford Cesc. Surely if United spend more on wages currently and Chelsea usually can out spend us, doesn that not suggest Chelsea have more money to use on wages since their bill is currently lower?

Crimson King

Two of united's big earners are now gone, over £11m between them a season is now free to pay new earners

Will I Amnt

If there's one thing I can be sure of, wages were not the stumbling block if we were in for Fabregas.

Rubber_Soul

beakerjoe wrote: »

Your arguement has been that United have a bigger wage bill, therefore can afford Cesc. Surely if United spend more on wages currently and Chelsea usually can out spend us, doesn that not suggest Chelsea have more money to use on wages since their bill is currently lower?

With last years figures, even though Utd's wage bill was higher it was under 50% of their turnover whereas Chelsea's was closer to 70%. Chelsea could obviously outspend Utd because they have a billionaire owner but assuming they want to remain FFP compliant, which they appear to do, then Utd could still easily match anything they could offer.

Could and would are different arguments altogether though.

Headshot

Someone you need to watch Schweinstegger more regularly...

Deiseboy01

Can someone please post a link to that ripping yarns sketch where the guy trashes his house after his team loses?

It perfectly portrays the immediate future of this tread!.

Its going to be a long summer is all I can say!

glued

I'm glad we didn't sign Fabregas but only if we can secure our other targets. If we don't sign a midfielder then it will be a missed opportunity but you have to imagine there are plans in place and Fabregas wasn't included in them. I think we'll make signings but not the big names that everybody is pining for.

kryogen

MrMac84 wrote: »

Friend of mine told me it's all but done and he was spot on with costa and fabregas days before sky!

Modric is Ancelotti's love child and was a huge factor in them having a successful season......a "swap" for Ramires, outside football manager when you cheat and control both teams, just is not happening in fairness.

Put it to your friend in the words of Meatloaf "Two out of three ain't bad"

Mitch Connor

Chelsea need a striker and to replace lampard. They sign Costa and Lampard. We need a load of players and we sign NO ONE. What the feck are this club at? It is actually unbelievable that we are doing the same slow crap we did last summer.

glued

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Chelsea need a striker and to replace lampard. They sign Costa and Lampard. We need a load of players and we sign NO ONE. What the feck are this club at? It is actually unbelievable that we are doing the same slow crap we did last summer.

I think it's got to do with Van Gaal. Be patient. As soon as the World Cup is over we will see movement.

kryogen

dubmick wrote: »

Idiots for letting Fabregas sign for Chelsea. He will be brilliant for them.

Idiots. Ffs.

Take it to the bank, same way Torres was when he went there

Would be concerned if I was a Chelsea fan if the reports are accurate, that Mourinho didnt want him and the club forced him on him. Cant see how Cesc and Jose get along well either on a personal level and he doesnt exactly fit the mould of a midfielder that Jose prefers either.

Strange transfer

billyhead

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Chelsea need a striker and to replace lampard. They sign Costa and Lampard. We need a load of players and we sign NO ONE. What the feck are this club at? It is actually unbelievable that we are doing the same slow crap we did last summer.

How do you know deals are not in place and just need to be announced. Enjoy the World Cup and wait until after when we will more then likely announce signings. Keep the faith. I am sure LVG knows what hes doing and knows that we need major investment.

Mitch Connor

glued wrote: »

I think it's got to do with Van Gaal. Be patient. As soon as the World Cup is over we will see movement.

Why?

Van Gaal has said he doesnt get involved with transfers, he makes his requests and then it is up to the club to sort it. LVG being busy is no impediment to United conducting and concluding deals - we are simply f**king incapable of doing business in a timely and professional manner.

Timmyctc

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Why?

Van Gaal has said he doesnt get involved with transfers, he makes his requests and then it is up to the club to sort it. LVG being busy is no impediment to United conducting and concluding deals - we are simply f**king incapable of doing business in a timely and professional manner.

Out of interest did he actually say this?

Rubber_Soul

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Chelsea need a striker

And it only took them a year to do it.

Mitch Connor

billyhead wrote: »

How do you know deals are not in place and just need to be announced. Enjoy the World Cup and wait until after when we will more then likely announce signings. Keep the faith. I am sure LVG knows what hes doing and knows that we need major investment.

Yeah - you believe that delusional idea that we have deals done, fire ahead.

Mitch Connor

StarshipPooper wrote: »

And it only took them a year to do it.

And? we needed a top class CM (or two) last season and we still haven't done anything about it. Chelsea had a need to get sorted this summer, and they have done it. A two top class players, who are at the world cup, and you get apologists on here claiming we can't do anything ourselves because of the world cup. Farcical delusion.

kryogen

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I'm not too dis-inhearted by the Fabregas to Chelsea deal, I think the reason we didn't sign him is because LVG likes his central midfielders to be solid which is why I think there may be truth in the Schweinstegger rumours.
Strootman and Schweinstegger would add goals , creativity and also a lot of protection to the back 4. I think Chelsea will play Fabregas in the number 10 role because Mourinho too likes his central mids to be solid, as a number 10 I think Chelsea sold us a better player in Juan Mata

Jose loves Oscar, Jose has sold Mata because he see's Oscar as his number 10.

Fab won't be playing as a number 10, he will probably be taking Lampards place in fairness.

Rubber_Soul

Mitch Connor wrote: »

And? we needed a top class CM (or two) last season and we still haven't done anything about it. Chelsea had a need to get sorted this summer, and they have done it. A two top class players, who are at the world cup, and you get apologists on here claiming we can't do anything ourselves because of the world cup. Farcical delusion.

They needed a forward last year, does it make them incompetent it took them a year to do it? We've signed two midfielders in the last year, one of them top class. We seem alright at getting deals done, them being the right players or not is a different matter entirely. It's early June, the window closes in September, we can still sorted.

shadowcomplex

kryogen wrote: »

Jose loves Oscar, Jose has sold Mata because he see's Oscar as his number 10.

Fab won't be playing as a number 10, he will probably be taking Lampards place in fairness.

Oscar was left out a lot towards the end of last season

adox

Quandary wrote: »

Chelsea sign Costa and Fabregas before the WC kicks off

They still need a LB and I would be very surprised if they don't turn their attentions to Shaw now.

If they do decide to pursue him then I can't see him picking us over them.

He's a Chelsea fan
They have champions league football
They can offer the same financial package and more

The FIFA fair play rules don't hugely affect them either after the wedge the got for Luiz.

Ah here, it's not cool on here to voice concerns about what's going on. There be little giggles and "wait for the meltdown...." posts.


No negativity here. All is well. Be patient.

Chemical Ali would be proud.

Reedsie

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Chelsea need a striker and to replace lampard. They sign Costa and Lampard.

That was like us with Scholes.

Mitch Connor

Timmyctc wrote: »

Out of interest did he actually say this?

You calling me a liar?:eek:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10845129/Louis-van-Gaal-insists-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-will-not-prove-a-distraction-at-Manchester-United.html

“I say which players I want and which players can leave,” Van Gaal said.
“But they (United) have to negotiate. I’ve never interfered with transfers.”

So, again, United are just being painfully slow when other, more professionally ran clubs from a football point of view are actually doing what is required to improve their football team.

Barca sign Ter Steigen and Rakitic.
Chelsea sign Costa and Fabregas.
Paris SG sign Luiz.
Liverpool sign Lambert and Can.
United sign a pharmaceutical sponsor in Korea.

Timmyctc

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You calling me a liar?:eek:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10845129/Louis-van-Gaal-insists-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-will-not-prove-a-distraction-at-Manchester-United.html



So, again, United are just being painfully slow when other, more professionally ran clubs from a football point of view are actually doing what is required to improve their football team.

Barca sign Ter Steigen and Rakitic.
Chelsea sign Costa and Fabregas.
Paris SG sign Luiz.
Liverpool sign Lambert and Can.
United sign a pharmaceutical sponsor in Korea.

No I was just asking I hadn't read this.

kryogen

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Why?

Van Gaal has said he doesnt get involved with transfers, he makes his requests and then it is up to the club to sort it. LVG being busy is no impediment to United conducting and concluding deals - we are simply f**king incapable of doing business in a timely and professional manner.

At what point do you think you might realise the club doesn't actually run on your schedule?

bucketybuck

billyhead wrote: »

How do you know deals are not in place and just need to be announced. Enjoy the World Cup and wait until after when we will more then likely announce signings. Keep the faith. I am sure LVG knows what hes doing and knows that we need major investment.

Why do some people still think this is a possibility?

I say it again, who exactly does it benefit to keep any deals a secret? It does not suit United, it would not suit the selling club and it would not suit the player himself to have the uncertainty in the background. If the deal is finalized then it would suit every interested party to have it announced.

So why the **** do you think United have deals in place but have just not announced them?

Mitch Connor

kryogen wrote: »

At what point do you think you might realise the club doesn't actually run on your schedule?

I thought it might run on the schedule they said they had - looking to get two players signed before the world cup. Have signed none.

Rubber_Soul

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I thought it might run on the schedule they said they had - looking to get two players signed before the world cup. Have signed none.

When did they say this, before or after they sacked Moyes?

adox

OT: Brazilian women dancing make everything better.

kryogen

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Oscar was left out a lot towards the end of last season

He played 33 league games for Chelsea out of 38
He played in 10 of Chelseas Champions League games (out of 12)

Left out a lot you say?

Mitch Connor

StarshipPooper wrote: »

When did they say this, before or after they sacked Moyes?

Before, and since (though not so much in the last couple of weeks...) and also said that LVG coming in would not affect our transfer activity. Or at least that is what they were briefing the press. So if you are looking for a direct quote from the official site you can just decide now that I am lying to you and we can end the conversation there cause I can't be arsed arguing whether the club briefs or not.