Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

kippy

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

€60m buys 3 average players? That's some expensive shopping you are doing.

People still seem to link the cost of a player to their actual effectiveness.
Daft stuff altogether.
There will be plenty bargains out there just as there will be plenty turkeys going around for north of 20 million.

gosplan

Is that 27 million for Shaw thing reputable?

If so, I'm doubting the ability of Ed Woodward.

Will I Amnt

MD1990 wrote: »

Real are after Pogba so I think Suarez will stay at Liverpool.

That doesn't make much sense.

Vinz Mesrine

GSPfan wrote: »

Real could fund a ridiculous bid for Suarez if needed by selling one of their many stars like Benzema or DiMaria who an english club would pay big money for.

Selling one of them for 30+million and bidding for Suarez with 80million is exactly what they did last year with Bale.

I wouldn't mind DiMaria being thrown in as part of any transfer for Suarez, Jese too.

Chucky the tree

gosplan wrote: »

Is that 27 million for Shaw thing reputable?

If so, I'm doubting the ability of Ed Woodward.

Did spending £27m on Fellani not do that for you already? What about hirng David Moyes, not even register a blip on the inept-o-meter? :pac:

redbaron_99

I think Suarez will push for a move again. He wanted out last season, and I doubt he's changed his tune much over the last twelve months. If he pushes hard enough, Pool will be forced to sell at a lower price. I could see Mardid getting him for 60M.
That money could then offset the losses the club is making.

DM_7

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Not been discussed I don't think but would anyone be upset with Carrick leaving?

His form this season has been woeful even factoring Moyes as manager, age not on his side.

Is it time for much needed freshness, younger legs, a new face??

Or is the Kew losing his mind?

Leaving yes, not in the first team I wouldn't mind at all. Like Evra United were too reliant on him the past few seasons. He looks wrecked

Robson99

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Not been discussed I don't think but would anyone be upset with Carrick leaving?

His form this season has been woeful even factoring Moyes as manager, age not on his side.

Is it time for much needed freshness, younger legs, a new face??

Or is the Kew losing his mind?

Id agree totally Kew. Never really took to him but he had a couple of decent seasons without ever being in the same league as Keane, Scholes, Ince or Robson. More in the Ray wilkins / Neil Webb bracket

MD1990

Will I Amnt wrote: »

That doesn't make much sense.

50-60m for Pogba they won't have enough money for Suarez then.

GSPfan

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Imo he's irreplaceable.

So was Ronaldo and so was Bale but every player has a price if the player wants the move. And he defo would want the move. Suarez will not be at Liverpool for more than another year imo.

Schwiiing

Carrick to go and maybe Alex Song to replace him? Sound good?

Cantona's Collars

gosplan wrote: »

Is that 27 million for Shaw thing reputable?

If so, I'm doubting the ability of Ed Woodward.

The fee being talked about for the last while has always been £25 - £30 million.Young,talented & English = expensive.The bid is bang on the money.

Schwiiing

MD1990 wrote: »

50-60m for Pogba they won't have enough money for Suarez then.

:eek: LOL

GSPfan

Schwiiing wrote: »

Carrick to go and maybe Alex Song to replace him? Sound good?

Defo the first bit but no thanks for the second bit.

Cantona's Collars

Schwiiing wrote: »

Carrick to go and maybe Alex Song to replace him? Sound good?

That'd do,remember Song playing all those passes to RVP at Arsenal before he headed to Barca? Almost telepathic at times.

Rubber_Soul

MD1990 wrote: »

50-60m for Pogba they won't have enough money for Suarez then.

It's Real, of course they will.

Unearthly

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Did spending £27m on Fellani not do that for you already? What about hirng David Moyes, not even register a blip on the inept-o-meter? :pac:

As much as he made a mess last year, he didn't hire Moyes. That was done before his time

Vinz Mesrine

GSPfan wrote: »

So was Ronaldo and so was Bale but every player has a price if the player wants the move. And he defo would want the move. Suarez will not be at Liverpool at for more than another year imo.

United still haven't replaced Ronaldo and imo have been weaker since he left.

Spurs tried their best to replace Bale but so far it looks like they have fallen horribly short.

I'm expecting Suarez to hang around for another season.

Sorry for the Suarez / Liverpool chat btw. I just wanted to respond to the people saying all the other teams would strengthen to fly past liverpool next season.

Will I Amnt

MD1990 wrote: »

50-60m for Pogba they won't have enough money for Suarez then.

Ha, first of all, they would get Pogba for a lot less than that. Secondly, they have players to ship out that will cover a good chunk of what Suarez would cost.

If Madrid want both they will get both.

FutureGuy

GSPfan wrote: »

Thats FutureGuy isn't it.

Hi lads, I can't turn it on like a tap unfortunately, but I'm well rested over the season, I feel good and I'd like to think that I'll play some part over the next few months.

We are not signing Luke Shaw.

MD1990

StarshipPooper wrote: »

It's Real, of course they will.

not quite as rich as they were.
Had to sell Ozil,Higuain,Albiol & Callejon to fund there transfers last season.
Who will they sell this year?only maybe Di Maria.

Vinz Mesrine

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Ha, first of all, they would get Pogba for a lot less than that. Secondly, they have players to ship out that will cover a good chunk of what Suarez would cost.

If Madrid want both they will get both.

PSG will get involved in any Pogba transfer and drive the price up. He won't be sold for less than 40m imo.

Vinz Mesrine

MD1990 wrote: »

not quite as rich as they were.
Had to sell Ozil,Higuain,Albiol & Callejon to fund there transfers last season.
Who will they sell this year?only maybe Di Maria.

Di Maria, Alonso, Benzema and Isco off the top of my head.

Will I Amnt

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Di Maria, Alonso, Benzema and Isco off the top of my head.

Add Khedira to that.

Will I Amnt

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

PSG will get involved in any Pogba transfer and drive the price up. He won't be sold for less than 40m imo.

30-35 max I would think.

Vinz Mesrine

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Add Khedira to that.

A perfect fit for United

irishfeen

FutureGuy wrote: »

Hi lads, I can't turn it on like a tap unfortunately, but I'm well rested over the season, I feel good and I'd like to think that I'll play some part over the next few months.

We are not signing Luke Shaw.

Haha very good, looking forward to you being wrong a few times this summer

Will I Amnt

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

A perfect fit for United

I'd take him in a flash. An infinite improvement on what's there at the moment.

Rayne Wooney

I didn't like Reus anyway

Rubber_Soul

MD1990 wrote: »

not quite as rich as they were.
Had to sell Ozil,Higuain,Albiol & Callejon to fund there transfers last season.
Who will they sell this year?only maybe Di Maria.

They announced record revenues last year, increased profits on the previous year and a reduction in declared debt. They are every bit as rich and daft as ever.

Vinz Mesrine

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I'd take him in a flash. An infinite improvement on what's there at the moment.

Probably wouldn't cost too much either.

GSPfan

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

United still haven't replaced Ronaldo and imo have been weaker since he left.

Spurs tried their best to replace Bale but so far it looks like they have fallen horribly short.

I'm expecting Suarez to hang around for another season.

I think you mis understood what i was saying. I was agreeing with you that Suarez is irreplaceable. Just like Ronaldo and Bale.

But there is still a price for every player who wants to leave.

Will I Amnt

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Probably wouldn't cost too much either.

United would find a way to overpay :pac:
25m should easily do the trick though.

GSPfan

Wow i forgot about Khedeira. Did he play at all this season after his injury?

Cantona's Collars

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I didn't like Reus anyway

But he can be a CM.:p:p:p

GSPfan

GSPfan wrote: »

I think you mis understood what i was saying. I was agreeing with you that Suarez is irreplaceable. Just like Ronaldo and Bale.

But there is still a price for every player who wants to leave.

As individuals they might be very hard to replace if ever possible. However if the money is spent wisely the team who loses such a player could he strengthed overall.

MD1990

StarshipPooper wrote: »

They announced record revenues last year, increased profits on the previous year and a reduction in declared debt. They are every bit as rich and daft as ever.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1804288-real-madrids-eur541-million-debt-allegedly-being-hidden-by-florentino-perez

they won't be able to get Suarez unless they sell alot a few players.
They also need a CM more than a new striker.

RichFTW

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

United still haven't replaced Ronaldo and imo have been weaker since he left.

Spurs tried their best to replace Bale but so far it looks like they have fallen horribly short.

I'm expecting Suarez to hang around for another season.

Sorry for the Suarez / Liverpool chat btw. I just wanted to respond to the people saying all the other teams would strengthen to fly past liverpool next season.

I think ye will get top price alright for Suarez, can't see those Americans being forced into a cut price sale but I do think they will sell.

What United and Arsenal have to strengthen is a lot less than Liverpool (assuming Suarez leaves), that's why I think they will pass Liverpool. Suarez will be too big of a loss.

ElChe32

"United in Bid for Shaw"

"Gerrard - I'm Devastated"


Two lovely headlines to end my day.

n32

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Not been discussed I don't think but would anyone be upset with Carrick leaving?

His form this season has been woeful even factoring Moyes as manager, age not on his side.

Is it time for much needed freshness, younger legs, a new face??

Or is the Kew losing his mind?

Not losing your mind but seeing as you re now referring to yourself in the third person its pretty clear you re in full meglomaniac mode!:D

Schwiiing

ElChe32 wrote: »

"United in Bid for Shaw"

"Gerrard - I'm Devastated"

2moreMinutes

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Liverpool are about to hit their first transfer window as a Top club and could be in for a shock. Won't be easy to pick up players cheap and smaller clubs will know that they are in the driving seat when it comes to negotiations. Players will want bigger wages, agents bigger fees.

If they think 60m will be enough to strengthen and compete for the title again next season, they are in for a nasty shock.

When they finished second in 2009, they went and brought in Glen Johnson, Krygiakus (ugh, I've butchered that) and the massive success that was Aquilani, spending the guts of ~£50m in the process.

Its one thing sitting at the top table and being in the market for the infamous top top players but its an entirely different thing being able to both target and attract them on what will no doubt be a fairly restricted budget. Even though being flippant about the money involved in football does disgust me, I'd doubt 60m will make much of a significant difference when they're competing on so many fronts next year.

In the same way, in relation to ourselves, I also doubt that anything shy of at least 100m will make too much of a significant difference to us especially when the going rate seems to be ~30m for a defender who, albeit young, English and damn bloody good, traditionally, haven't been as expensive as the guys playing further up the pitch.

brinty

I think Suarez will head to Madrid and Liverpool won't get a sufficient replacement. Without his 30+ goals they will struggle to reach this season's heights. With the CL they'll be stretched
Real have more than enough funds to purchase him before selling players.
Pogba (If he leaves Juve) will go to PSG.

Rubber_Soul

MD1990 wrote: »

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1804288-real-madrids-eur541-million-debt-allegedly-being-hidden-by-florentino-perez

they won't be able to get Suarez unless they sell alot a few players.
They also need a CM more than a new striker.

Allegedly. And if even if it turns out to be true and Real have to go public they will have few problems attracting investment. Getting CL football greatly increases the chances of holding on to Suarez no doubt but if Real do want him and Suarez himself wants to go they'll definitely find the cash for him. It could be a moot point though as the word coming from Raiola is that Pogba is going nowhere;

”I already met with (Juve director) Marotta and we’ll meet again soon to discuss the contractual renewal. There is no rush, Pogba is happy at Juve and he wants to remain in Torino for a long time. It’s clear that for a strong player like him it’s easy that there is a market but at the moment there isn’t this intention. There isn’t a dialogue with PSG or other teams: I repeat, we’ll meet soon to extend the eventual contract. I don’t understand for what reason you in Italy continue to tie Pogba to teams others that Juve: he’ll stay at Juve where he is very happy”

Chucky the tree

ElChe32 wrote: »

"United in Bid for Shaw"

"Gerrard - I'm Devastated"


Two lovely headlines to end my day.

Nothing about the United match today?

Schwiiing

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Allegedly. And if even if it turns out to be true and Real have to go public they will have few problems attracting investment. Getting CL football greatly increases the chances of holding on to Suarez no doubt but if Real do want him and Suarez himself wants to go they'll definitely find the cash for him. It could be a moot point though as the word coming from Raiola is that Pogba is going nowhere;

30m will dislodge Pogba. They got him for nothing and they aint exactly flush.

tallaghtmick

LOL at Real not being able to afford Suarez and Pogba....




Arrivals
Gareth Bale Spurs 80.080.000 £
Isco Málaga CF 26.400.000 £
Asier Illarramendi Real Sociedad 26.400.000 £
Daniel Carvajal Bayer 04 5.720.000 £
Casemiro São Paulo 5.280.000 £

MD1990

Schwiiing wrote: »

30m will dislodge Pogba. They got him for nothing and they aint exactly flush.

He won the golden boy best u21 player in the world.He will cost at least 40m probably 50-60.PSG paid 45m for Lucas Moura in 2012 so Pogba will cost more.Juventus are the only club in Italy to profit from revenue as they are the only club in Italy to own there own stadium.They have decent money.

Rubber_Soul

Schwiiing wrote: »

30m will dislodge Pogba. They got him for nothing and they aint exactly flush.

We'll see, I doubt it though. At least this Summer anyway.

Edit: No chance €30m will do it.

Larry Wildman

Hi Folks

First time poster so please take it easy with me...

My God what a season. I was vehemently opposed to Moyes' appointment but thankfully that's now water under the bridge.

Chronic underspending in key areas over recent years has also caught up with us.

I welcome this Shaw stuff and I'd welcome Van Gaal with open arms.

Some people crave wing play but personally I think that it may have had its day. With two in the middle you just get killed and with only one up top the guy just gets isolated. Maybe we need to look to the fullbacks for the width.

With that in mind I'd be very keen on Seamus Coleman. With him and Shaw we'd be on the pig's back.

Midfield wise I know that Kroos etc seem to be top of most people's lists but I'd be looking to move heaven and earth to get Vidal from Juve.

Long post I know (apologies) but there's a lot to talk about.

Not least how Rooney, RVP, Mata and Kagawa are supposed to play together!

Thanks.