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homerjay2005

TheDoc wrote: »

I don't see how Berba can be classed as a miss yet RVP a hit.

errm, its quite clear why. RVPs had been excellent for us and this season his games to goals ratio was even better than last season, he just missed 20 games due to injury.

if you look at games per goal for United, RVP is at 1.58 games for every goal, Berba is 2.66 and that is a huge difference and hence why he is a hit. Berba has never hit those heights.

by fair comparison, Suarez is 1.61 and Aguero is 1.62 and both of them are seen as hits for their clubs.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

Might be alone on this one, but I've found it somewhat embarrassing people using the Charity Shield as a put down on Liverpool and as a defence by Moyes.

If anyone else used it as a defence I'd absolutely slaughter them. It's pure twisting the achievement to fit the narrative.

Charity shield is one of the most pointless competitions there can be, and I'd be highly suspect of anyone using it as legit.

I get it's been somewhat a running joke lately, but I've seen plenty of people using it as an actually justification or defence for Moyes, or a put down on Liverpool.

If your one of the people that has seriously used the Charity shield as a notch on the belt.........

iv not been using it but i think its less about the charity shield and more about the month or so when liverpool where going to win the league and tried to fit 10+ years of boasting in. the fact that it then backfired was hilarious. united are still in a poor position but liverpool are perhaps the most celebrated winners of nothing in league history.

keane2097 wrote: »

I was looking at fees adjusted for inflation the other day - that Keane figure would be like £30M+ by most measures. Obviously still a great transfer but not an example of getting a great player on the cheap in the slightest.

ya but he stayed at united for 10/11 years by the time he left (2004?) the 3 odd million was insane value

Schwiiing

Allowing for inflation what would Verons 28m cost now. 28m was massive in 2001.

KH25

Cleverley and Carrick on standby for England. No sign of Young at all.....

Jones, Smalling, Welbeck and Roney all in.

glued

keane2097 wrote: »

I was looking at fees adjusted for inflation the other day - that Keane figure would be like £30M+ by most measures. Obviously still a great transfer but not an example of getting a great player on the cheap in the slightest.

What measure is that?

£3.75M adjusted for inflation from 1993-2014 is £6.67M

Johan Cruyff was £1Bn by your measurement. Lentini over £130M....

Context is everything.

keane2097

Schwiiing wrote: »

Allowing for inflation what would Verons 28m cost now. 28m was massive in 2001.

50+ depending on who you ask. I quite like this source -

http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/01/transfer-records-and-why-they-mata/

keane2097

glued wrote: »

What measure is that?

£3.75M adjusted for inflation from 1993-2014 is £6.67M

Johan Cruyff was £1Bn by your measurement. Lentini over £130M....

Context is everything.

Transfer market is obviously very different to the general economy.

Pro. F

glued wrote: »

What measure is that?

£3.75M adjusted for inflation from 1993-2014 is £6.67M

Johan Cruyff was £1Bn by your measurement. Lentini over £130M....

Context is everything.

I'd be pretty sure he is talking about football transfer fee inflation, not national economic inflation.

Keane and Cantona's transfer fees were very big money when they came to United. Anybody using them as examples of cheep transfers is completely wrong.

Vinz Mesrine

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

30 million on Berbatov. 30 million on Fellaini. 30 million on Veron. 20 million on Anderson.

Ouch.

Please tell me a Liverpool fan isn't slating those transfer fees.

Schwiiing

TheDoc wrote: »

Might be alone on this one, but I've found it somewhat embarrassing people using the Charity Shield as a put down on Liverpool and as a defence by Moyes.

If anyone else used it as a defence I'd absolutely slaughter them. It's pure twisting the achievement to fit the narrative.

Charity shield is one of the most pointless competitions there can be, and I'd be highly suspect of anyone using it as legit.

I get it's been somewhat a running joke lately, but I've seen plenty of people using it as an actually justification or defence for Moyes, or a put down on Liverpool.

If your one of the people that has seriously used the Charity shield as a notch on the belt.........

I was merely being facetious.

TheDoc

Schwiiing wrote: »

I was merely being facetious.

Wasn't directly aimed at you, but its being a genuine defense and "put down" form some quarters

homerjay2005

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

. 20 million on Anderson.

Ouch.

....

Rojiblancos

England 4 - Jones, smalling, welbeck, rooney
France 1 - evra
Spain 2 - mata, de gea?
Mexico 1 - hernandez
Japan 1 - Kagawa
Portugal 1- nani
Holland 1 - van persie
Belgium 2 - fellaini, januzaj
Ecuador 1 - valencia

14 going to the world cup assuming de gea and januzaj get picked and Jones gets passed fit, the rest will surely go.
Just on England, Don't agree with Lampards selection Barry would have been a better option

upstairs for coffee

Christ ye lot are very defensive and I'm not a Liverpool fan.

Anderson 20 million, going to be released on a free transfer or minimal fee. Berbatov 30 million, sold for 4 million. Fellaini at 30 million, would be hard pressed to recoup half of that.

TheDoc

Mata most likely won't be going in my opinion. End of season surge might sway the coach but I wouldn't be surprised to see him left home.

I think himself and Torres will be the two big omissions, Torres especially considering his record on the international stage.

Hernandez and Kagawa have been confirmed today as in their respective squads.

Will I Amnt

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

Christ ye lot are very defensive and I'm not a Liverpool fan.

Anderson 20 million, going to be released on a free transfer or minimal fee. Berbatov 30 million, sold for 4 million. Fellaini at 30 million, would be hard pressed to recoup half of that.

Ah you're not another one of these lads that doesn't support a team but has a go at all the other teams are you?

bangkok

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

Christ ye lot are very defensive and I'm not a Liverpool fan.

Anderson 20 million, going to be released on a free transfer or minimal fee. Berbatov 30 million, sold for 4 million. Fellaini at 30 million, would be hard pressed to recoup half of that.

Anderson was one of the biggest prospects in Europe when we signed him along with nani. he was excellent first couple of seasons until fitness issues took hold. if fiorentina sign him the fee will be 7m

Mars Bar

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I don't think Fergie would have let Vidic be pictured signing for another club.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

...

the thing is, Vidic would not have done it to Fergie.

Bit late getting back this but yes, I also agree with that!

glued

keane2097 wrote: »

50+ depending on who you ask. I quite like this source -

http://tomkinstimes.com/2014/01/transfer-records-and-why-they-mata/

The intentions are good but that is a highly flawed model for inflation which is accepted by the author.

homerjay2005

That England squad is so so average, i dont expect them to get out of the group and if they do, they will be slaughtered.

adox

Fellaini didnt cost £30 million.

upstairs for coffee

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

Christ ye lot are very defensive and I'm not a Liverpool fan.

Anderson 20 million, going to be released on a free transfer or minimal fee. Berbatov 30 million, sold for 4 million. Fellaini at 30 million, would be hard pressed to recoup half of that.

there is no club in the world that has not made mistakes in the transfer market, i dont see why someone that supports a club would not fight there clubs side, i dont think anyone has been out of line or stubborn in what they've said so i dont see your issed to be honest.

NeVeR

Lad's got this email from Man U today.. I signed up for the Season ticket waiting list and this was sent.. I signed up last week sometime.

We are delighted that you have registered your interest online in joining our Season Ticket Priority List for the 2014/15 season. We have provided some important information below which we hope you will find useful.

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Is this just there standard reply ? .. Or do I have a chance of actually getting a season ticket ?

keane2097

glued wrote: »

The intentions are good but that is a highly flawed model for inflation which is accepted by the author.

If we are agreed on the notion that holding Keane up as an example of a bargain basement purchase based on the low £-value of his transfer fee relative to current transfer fees is flawed then we don't have an argument here.

I think the point is pretty obvious and pretty clearly made anyway.

KombuchaMshroom

upstairs for coffee wrote: »

Christ ye lot are very defensive and I'm not a Liverpool fan.

Anderson 20 million, going to be released on a free transfer or minimal fee. Berbatov 30 million, sold for 4 million. Fellaini at 30 million, would be hard pressed to recoup half of that.

Signed at 27/28 years of age on a 4 year contract we weren't expecting to make money back on a 31/32 year old.
Fellaini didnt cost 30 million, and he has only had 1 very stop start season under his belt, we have no interest in recouping money on him cos there is no intention to sell him any time soon.
Anderson wasn't 20 million either, he was at the club for 7 years where he won 5 league titles, a champions league, and numerous other league cups community shields and a world cup. He never lived up to the early potential he showed, partly due to a lot of injuries, but seeing as he fee averaged out at just over 2 million a season he wasnt exactly the worst value signing around.

There is a difference between being defensive and simply correcting facts or pointing out a different view point, keep trying though.

glued

keane2097 wrote: »

If we are agreed on the notion that holding Keane up as an example of a bargain basement purchase based on the low £-value of his transfer fee relative to current transfer fees is flawed then we don't have an argument here.

I think the point is pretty obvious and pretty clearly made anyway.

It's a point I agree with but not one so well made.

The_Kew_Tour

I was expecting LVG meltdowns.

this is nearly worse ;-)

beno619

If Anderson and Berba are flops im not sure what you would call the likes of Carroll and Downing.

Players who contributed to major success in recent times but probably didnt hit the heights expected of them.

LVG could still have a look at Anderson yet, im fairly sure im one of the few who would still have him ahead of our current options.

NTMK

NeVeR wrote: »

Lad's got this email from Man U today.. I signed up for the Season ticket waiting list and this was sent.. I signed up last week sometime.



Is this just there standard reply ? .. Or do I have a chance of actually getting a season ticket ?

standard reply i think

and **** my season ticket will be platinum in another 6 years shame last season was the only season i was able to use it fully:pac:

you'll have a decent shot at a season ticket this year i think

stesaurus

NeVeR wrote: »

Lad's got this email from Man U today.. I signed up for the Season ticket waiting list and this was sent.. I signed up last week sometime.



Is this just there standard reply ? .. Or do I have a chance of actually getting a season ticket ?

You will have no problem getting a ST. There is no waiting list really. It's all just spin.

bullvine

Does anyone have the pic of Vidic in the Inter Jersey?

upstairs for coffee

My comment of "ouch" was in relation to PhlegmyMoses (who I assume is a Utd fan) post where he said that "Veron, Anderson, Berbatov" were misses.

In response to this I did a quick google of their reported price tags and was surprised at how expensive they were (I realise Utd recouped alot of money for Veron).

I was not making any grandiose statement citing Utd as the bastion of poor transfer dealings. I was just surprised at how much was spent on those players and Fellaini given that none of them never went on to be key players for United.

Cookiemunster

bullvine wrote: »

Does anyone have the pic of Vidic in the Inter Jersey?

The only pic I ever saw was him signing the contract wearing civvies. Is there actually a pic of him in an Inter shirt?

Rayne Wooney

Bebe for 7 million

tallaghtmick

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Bebe for 7 million

Well worth it......:p

bangkok

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The only pic I ever saw was him signing the contract wearing civvies. Is there actually a pic of him in an Inter shirt?

no there is no picture

bullvine

bangkok wrote: »

no there is no picture

Ok so, no pic of him in the jersey, so what exactly is the difference between what he did and what Schmeichel did back in 1998 cause I'm pretty sure he announced his move to Sporting before the season was over as well!

tallaghtmick

bullvine wrote: »

Ok so, no pic of him in the jersey, so what exactly is the difference between what he did and what Schmeichel did back in 1998 cause I'm pretty sure he announced his move to Sporting before the season was over as well!

I'm the same as you, I've no idea why people are getting their knickers in a twist over it.

glued

bullvine wrote: »

Ok so, no pic of him in the jersey, so what exactly is the difference between what he did and what Schmeichel did back in 1998 cause I'm pretty sure he announced his move to Sporting before the season was over as well!

Club captain, photo of him signing a contract with Inter, club having worst season in two decades... It was wrong on so many levels and Schmeichel didn't sign with Sporting before the season ended.

I was also taken aback at the sight of Vidic signing for a new club, then leading United out on the field as captain the following week. Whatever about keeping his place, he's Vidic the Destroyer, but remaining club captain?? I definitely blame Moyes for that one.

Edit: It's not the fact that he signed for a new club, it's the fact that a photo was released of him with a big smile signing the Inter contract while we were still trying to keep up with the top 4. Can't blame Vidic, he has to look after number 1, but United could have/should have handled it better.

tallaghtmick

Bit of a over reaction lads, he made us aware that he was leaving after putting his body on the line so many times and winning us so many Leagues and Cups, I wish him well.

gandroid

Pro. F wrote: »

I'd be pretty sure he is talking about football transfer fee inflation, not national economic inflation.

Keane and Cantona's transfer fees were very big money when they came to United. Anybody using them as examples of cheep transfers is completely wrong.

Keane was a record at the time but you couldn't say the same about Cantona's transfer.

Cantona's fee was not big money at the time by any measure...£1.2 million in 1992 was cheap as chips and I doubt it was even in the top 20 of transfer deals done that year in England.

Danny Wallace cost the same over 3 years before that in the Summer of '89.

Some 13 years before that, was when Forest signed the first £1 million English footballer Trevor Francis.

glued

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Bit of a over reaction lads, he made us aware that he was leaving after putting his body on the line so many times and winning us so many Leagues and Cups, I wish him well.

You're starting to sound like David Moyes now...

Julez

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Bit of a over reaction lads, he made us aware that he was leaving after putting his body on the line so many times and winning us so many Leagues and Cups, I wish him well.

Same, I'm not that bothered, at the end of the day its only football lads, what difference does it make as long as he's putting in his best on match day.

bullvine

glued wrote: »

Club captain, photo of him signing a contract with Inter, club having worst season in two decades... It was wrong on so many levels and Schmeichel didn't sign with Sporting before the season ended.

Yeah but Schmeichel was vice captain at the time, he announced it around November 98 and said he was going to a league were he wouldn't play as many games or someting, he was going through a terrible run of form as well at the time. I really don't see that much of a difference personally.

Lord TSC

bullvine wrote: »

Yeah but Schmeichel was vice captain at the time, he announced it around November 98 and said he was going to a league were he wouldn't play as many games or someting, he was going through a terrible run of form as well at the time. I really don't see that much of a difference personally.

He wasn't leaving a club in "crisis", nor a manager who already had a plate full of problems.

keane2097

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

He wasn't leaving a club in "crisis", nor a manager who already had a plate full of problems.

Best reasons you could have to change jobs really anywhere bar the bizarro world of soccer.

ericzeking

Schmeichel then went on to contribute to a historic season to cap a wonderful United career finally getting that European win....Vidic having won it all already with United started winding his United career down around mid September. There's a big difference in that PS had something to play for, Vidic didn't really, not if he didn't want to...which he didn't.

Vidic has been rubbish this year and I can't say I blame him, mentally he just can't have been here....massive mistake on the part of Moyes not dealing with his and Evras imminent departures last summer.

Maintaining Vidic as captain and relying on him as 1st choice and trying and failling to replace Evra were catastrophic errors. Two massive players being pretty disinterested for one reason or another can't have been good to have in the dressing room.

Ideal scenario, Vidic announces last summer that this would be his last season and relinquishes armband, doesn't say where he is going.
Evra should have been replaced, he's been cack but the man knew early doors that Moyes didn't want him so why would he give a toss.

Will I Amnt

keane2097 wrote: »

Best reasons you could have to change jobs really anywhere bar the bizarro world of soccer.

I'd agree with the sentiment here but it is Inter... A case of out of the frying pan and into the fire if ever there was one.

Cookiemunster

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

He wasn't leaving a club in "crisis", nor a manager who already had a plate full of problems.

Utd released a statement saying that he was leaving on Feb 7th. The Inter deal was signed on Mar 7th. I see no problem with this.