Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

Pudzianowski

I like to see us have a go at contreao, can't imagine he'd be near as expensive, has a lot of experience and can play DM also. Could change southamptons view also if nobody else matches that valuation

Reedsie

wadacrack wrote: »

Paying 30m for a LB is madness to me.

wadacrack wrote: »

LB is a different role.30m could be neara wrold record fee for a full back.

Bale, the (reported) most expensive player in history, was playing left back at 18.
It's very possible that Shaw will develop into a world class winger. But either way, a top class 18yo English player is going to command a very high fee, whatever the position. And rightly so.

Hopefully they get it sorted sooner rather than later.

GSPfan

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Yes he would be great, fast powerful good in the air etc, weve never really had one like him, sure I could have said Reus as a CM! You seem to be the only one making such a big deal out of the suggestion.

Thats cause the others think you are trolling.

Its not a big deal. Didn't think you'd get so upset. Sorry.

redbaron_99

Now this from Giggs. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10826204/Ryan-Giggs-My-Manchester-United-future-will-be-decided-by-the-new-manager.html

kryogen

Mars Bar wrote: »

It seemed like Woods was doing a decent job with De Gea though

Like Eric Steele was too in fairness, making these kind of cuts in the backroom staff seem a clear indication to me that a manager is in place in all but name

Son Of A Vidic

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Can a smell a clearout coming. Make way.

No idea what he is saying, just obey, kneel, nod the head and all hail The Iron Tulip.

Rayne Wooney

Full blown clear out going on it seems


Badly needed

redbaron_99

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

No idea what he is saying, just obey, kneel, nod the head and all hail The Iron Tulip.

And I reckon that's a bottle of some mad dutch spirit in front of him that he'll either take a mouthful of so he can spit fire at Cleverly, or he can just throw the whole bottle at Valencia. Fun times, man. fun times.

Felexicon

Paddy_R wrote: »

Bale, the (reported) most expensive player in history, was playing left back at 18.
It's very possible that Shaw will develop into a world class winger. But either way, a top class 18yo English player is going to command a very high fee, whatever the position. And rightly so.

Hopefully they get it sorted sooner rather than later.

What? No, Shaw looks like he will become a world class full back. Bale was an awful full back who was nearly sold before getting the opportunity to "do a job" as a winger and it turned out better than anyone could have expected. We're not buying Shaw hoping for a one in a million chance that he will turn in to a world class winger. We want and need him to fulfil his potential at full back

tallaghtmick

GSPfan wrote: »

Thats cause the others think you are trolling.

Its not a big deal. Didn't think you'd get so upset. Sorry.

Upset yeh ok lol, how can one be trolling when talking about one of the best young players in the world? Anyway as you said and I agreed we dont need him what we do need is a few defenders, Mangala would be nice but I think hes a cert for City:(

GSPfan

Would love if Giggs hung up his boots. Its time. A few Premier League clubs are looking for a manager this year. He may get one of those jobs if he went for it. Its a gamble for a club but he is high profile and would bring a lot of attention.

nullzero

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Full blown clear out going on it seems


Badly needed

As long as the likes of cleverly end up out the door we'll be doing ok. Auld cleverly is a turd that may need a few flushes to get rid of I'm afraid.

GSPfan

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Upset yeh ok lol, how can one be trolling when talking about one of the best young players in the world? Anyway as you said and I agreed we dont need him what we do need is a few defenders, Mangala would be nice but I think hes a cert for City:(

I have a sneaky feeling Jan Vertonghan (bad spelling) might be an option. If not for us maybe Liverpool will be interested.

Reedsie

Express say Mats Hummels will replace Rio.

tallaghtmick

GSPfan wrote: »

I have a sneaky feeling Jan Vertonghan (bad spelling) might be an option. If not for us maybe Liverpool will be interested.

Tidy player too, hopefully we dont end up with Celtics Van Dijk from what ive read.

GSPfan

Paddy_R wrote: »

Express say Mats Hummels will replace Rio.

I bet thats just a guess based on a very popular rumour. Can't say i know anything about Hummels but my boards sources understand he is very good.

duffman13

Have the people calling for Coentrao to be signed over Shaw actually seen him play. The guy has a decent name but is very much like Evra. He is a very loose defender and I don't think would be cut out for the premier league. Good going forward yes he is classy but Madrid want 13 or 14m apparently. This is for a full back who has only played 40 games in 3 seasons. I'd rather spunk 27m on Shaw who has the experience in the league and has much more potential.

Kind of says a lot when Mourinho and Ancelotti picked Marcelo over him. At one point Mourinho was playing Arbeloa at LB over Coentrao. If it was 5m I'd take a chance but it's going to be way more and he isn't worth it.

Felexicon

GSPfan wrote: »

I bet thats just a guess based on a very popular rumour. Can't say i know anything about Hummels but my boards sources understand he is very good.

Hummels is quality, I'm just afraid of signing players from Dortmund. It's like Klopp keeps their skills in a bottle and keeps them when the player moves on. Sahin, Kagawa and Gotze have all looked shadows of their Dortmund best when moved on

kryogen

Hummels is very good, but coming off an average at best season, for a few reasons.

Would be surprised if he was signed tbh

Reedsie

Felexicon wrote: »

What? No, Shaw looks like he will become a world class full back. Bale was an awful full back who was nearly sold before getting the opportunity to "do a job" as a winger and it turned out better than anyone could have expected. We're not buying Shaw hoping for a one in a million chance that he will turn in to a world class winger. We want and need him to fulfil his potential at full back

Chill the beans a bit pal. Nobody said he was exactly like Bale. And nobody said we're buying him in the chance he'd turn into a winger. The player is an 18yo wing back. He will be still young player in 5 years time and United's needs and Shaw's development might have changed a lot in that time.

He has played on the wing in the past. His manager, Pochettino, has said that he could see Shaw ending up on the wing. His current description “He can play throughout the entire wing and he can attack and he can defend very well.”
But of course you are entitled to your opinion too.

duffman13

GSPfan wrote: »

I have a sneaky feeling Jan Vertonghan (bad spelling) might be an option. If not for us maybe Liverpool will be interested.

Would be a good signing as a back up LB/CB but don't think he is consistent enough. Spends his time at LB for Belgium and often flips between CB and LB for Spurs. I don't know how I'd feel if he was the CB we signed.

kryogen

He will be linked if Van Gaal is the manager anyway due to his name sounding Dutch sort of (yep, that will do it for the rags) and he is left footed, Van Gaal prefers to have a left footed cb where possible to go with his right footed one. 2+2 and all that

Would be a good squad option to have but I think we need to aim higher personally in terms of getting a player in who you would look at and say, yes he is the first choice, he is the defensive leader

GSPfan

duffman13 wrote: »

Would be a good signing as a back up LB/CB but don't think he is consistent enough. Spends his time at LB for Belgium and often flips between CB and LB for Spurs. I don't know how I'd feel if he was the CB we signed.

I'd be absolutely thrilled with him and another CB but you are talking 50 million for both then. Vertonghen sometimes plays in midfield too. He's very versatile. I know we have a load of those players but I do like him.

duffman13

kryogen wrote: »

Hummels is very good, but coming off an average at best season, for a few reasons.

Would be surprised if he was signed tbh

Wasn't bad when he was fit, is this the Van Gaal wants him rumour from a few weeks ago? Can't see Klopp allowing him to go anywhere so have to agree, can't see him moving.

tallaghtmick

So........ are we signing Herrera :P

Interesting times ahead, 1st of all get LVG in in the next few days and let the rumours fly, night everyone dont let me down with the Kate Upton stuff.:D

duffman13

GSPfan wrote: »

I'd be absolutely thrilled with him and another CB but you are talking 50 million for both then. Vertonghen sometimes plays in midfield too. He's very versatile. I know we have a load of those players but I do like him.

I know where your coming from but all the best CB are specialist CB. He would be a good cover player to have but I would rather invest in a Mangala or Garay. Being honest I would be shocked if we sign two CB only because of no European football. We still have Smalling, Evans, Jones plus whoever we sign. Plenty there for next season

Son Of A Vidic

redbaron_99 wrote: »

And I reckon that's a bottle of some mad dutch spirit in front of him that he'll either take a mouthful of so he can spit fire at Cleverly, or he can just throw the whole bottle at Valencia. Fun times, man. fun times.

I think it's a bottle of car battery acid, the man swears by it apparently.

GSPfan

Can anybody go out on a limb and tell me if Varela is gonna get a sniff next season? I am desperate for another right back to break into the United team. This Smalling, Jones, Valencia at RB thing has to stop.

Rafael is only rivalled by Jones in the nomination for most self inflicted injuries award. Him and Jones are a bleedin disaster waiting to happen.

GSPfan

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/12/louis-van-gaal-philosophy-manchester-united

Interesting read. Not sure when he said all this but it looks like under Van Gaal we'll be playing 433.

kryogen

GSPfan wrote: »

Can anybody go out on a limb and tell me if Varela is gonna get a sniff next season? I am desperate for another right back to break into the United team. This Smalling, Jones, Valencia at RB thing has to stop.

Rafael is only rivalled by Jones in the nomination for most self inflicted injuries award. Him and Jones are a bleedin disaster waiting to happen.

No he won't be getting much of a go in the first team next season imo

Cantona's Collars

Was this already posted? Gotta love DDG.

The city of Manchester is RED

City's parade was 400 yards.:pac::pac::pac:

Pro. F

kryogen wrote: »

30million for Rio was unreal back in the day too, imagine that fee these days? Relative to common transfers back then for a 23 year old centre back

Turned out ok

If Shaw developed as everyone seems to think, it solves left back for 10+ years

If Shaw develops like everyone thinks he will then £27m will have been money well spent. And if he starts messing around in the next few years, like a lot of young lads do, then it will have been money wasted. There's a lot of growing up that gets done between 18 and 23 and still more to do after that. You have to acknowledge that the younger a player is the more risk there is that their career will go off track.

...

The way the ridiculous transfer market has been working the last few years I have no idea what £27m is supposed to get you. But I do know that £27m could represent a large chunk of our transfer kitty. And I do know (imo anyway) that fullback is the least important and easiest position on the pitch to fill.

If over the next few years United continue to throw around this type of money regularly, then we'll be able to discount this Shaw bid as anything noteworthy. But that would still strike me as the club are being foolishly loose with their money. I get the feeling that they're trying to spend big at every opportunity these days to impress somebody, rather than just doing what's best for building long term success.

scudzilla

GSPfan wrote: »

Would love if Giggs hung up his boots. Its time. A few Premier League clubs are looking for a manager this year. He may get one of those jobs if he went for it. Its a gamble for a club but he is high profile and would bring a lot of attention.

I wouldn't want Giggs taking a Premier League managers job, it's way too cut throat, he could be out of a job by Christmas if things don't go well.

IMO be better for him to take a mid table championship team (Brighton, Forest, Boro) and learn the trade for a few years

Pro. F

scudzilla wrote: »

I wouldn't want Giggs taking a Premier League managers job, it's way too cut throat, he could be out of a job by Christmas if things don't go well.

IMO be better for him to take a mid table championship team (Brighton, Forest, Boro) and learn the trade for a few years

That was Brian Clough's opinion on how a new manager should start. Low pressure job where you can actually think and learn without the axe hanging over you. Although he meant going right down the leagues to a tiny club, but the same idea behind his reasoning as what you're saying. Always struck me as good advice for how to learn a new skill.

J. Marston

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Can a smell a clearout coming. Make way.

Can't wait for his first press conference.

I have the image of him kicking the door in while shouting "Thingsh are going to change around here!".

Mikeyt086

So, now I'm reading that Southampton haven't rejected the £27m bid, and a deal is almost done.

Liam O

Pro. F wrote: »

If Shaw develops like everyone thinks he will then £27m will have been money well spent. And if he starts messing around in the next few years, like a lot of young lads do, then it will have been money wasted. There's a lot of growing up that gets done between 18 and 23 and still more to do after that. You have to acknowledge that the younger a player is the more risk there is that their career will go off track.

...

The way the ridiculous transfer market has been working the last few years I have no idea what £27m is supposed to get you. But I do know that £27m could represent a large chunk of our transfer kitty. And I do know (imo anyway) that fullback is the least important and easiest position on the pitch to fill.

If over the next few years United continue to throw around this type of money regularly, then we'll be able to discount this Shaw bid as anything noteworthy. But that would still strike me as the club are being foolishly loose with their money. I get the feeling that they're trying to spend big at every opportunity these days to impress somebody, rather than just doing what's best for building long term success.

Don't know how you can write off the importance of good full backs after what has transpired this season. Leaking goals from one side and no attacking infiltration on the other. Hugely important position for the modern game and difficult to fill. Look at Barca, pretty much everyone through their youths and yet have had to spend money on Alves, Alba (he was at Barca before in fairness though), Adriano and Maxwell (feel he might have been a free but not bothered checking)so it's obviously worth investing in the position to prevent having to sign cheapies every 1 or 2 years. Bayern had to convert one of their best young midfielders to left back too. These are just off the top of my head as examples of great teams that found the position troublesome enough to fill and have reaped benefits from doing so.

lordgoat

Liam O wrote: »

Don't know how you can write off the importance of good full backs after what has transpired this season. Leaking goals from one side and no attacking infiltration on the other. Hugely important position for the modern game and difficult to fill. Look at Barca, pretty much everyone through their youths and yet have had to spend money on Alves, Alba (he was at Barca before in fairness though), Adriano and Maxwell (feel he might have been a free but not bothered checking)so it's obviously worth investing in the position to prevent having to sign cheapies every 1 or 2 years. Bayern had to convert one of their best young midfielders to left back too. These are just off the top of my head as examples of great teams that found the position troublesome enough to fill and have reaped benefits from doing so.

In fairness he didn't say that. He said as a position fullback is the least important and I think I'd agree. You can get a solid FB in to do a job and the tea, should be ok. But other positions are more important to the team. GK CM and CB would be the key areas in that order for me. Then up front, then wingers and then FB. This is loosely speaking and not talking about any particular team.

jameshayes

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Can a smell a clearout coming. Make way.

is that a bottle of vodka in front of him?

irishfeen

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

So, now I'm reading that Southampton haven't rejected the £27m bid, and a deal is almost done.

Very strange one, the guardian seems to have went with the story (although no links/posts on their official twitter accounts) and are the only ones who went with it.

Journalists/other sports outlets have remained quiet and left it with United making a £27 million bid at the minute - could change of course today for better or worse.

bucketybuck

duffman13 wrote: »

I know where your coming from but all the best CB are specialist CB.

In fairness its not Vertonghans fault that Belguim don't have any full backs. He is a CB, and a very good one, I would be more than happy if he was signed this summer.

irishfeen

jameshayes wrote: »

is that a bottle of vodka in front of him?

Sneeaky naggin

Deiseboy01

redbaron_99 wrote: »

You believing it, doesnt make it so.
A point was made about players from that era not being able to contend with players of the modern era. So the point was perfectly valid about Charlton, Best and Law.
And it's not pure sentiment. It wasn't a different sport back then, ya know. And it's also conjecture to say that because he played 50 years ago he wouldn't cut it in modern times.
And any footballer or sporting person would have benefited from modern diet and training. Why wouldn't they????

So just for the record you are standing by two facts, Bill Foulkes is a better player than Rio and football today is no better than in 1950's/60's?

Having Foulkes in a top five ahead of Rio is sentiment and probably a little anti Rio sentiment.

GSPfan

Pochettino is gonna use the sale of players to justify moving to Spurs. That'll make the Shaw deal awkward for a while but it will go through.

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

If Shaw develops like everyone thinks he will then £27m will have been money well spent. And if he starts messing around in the next few years, like a lot of young lads do, then it will have been money wasted. There's a lot of growing up that gets done between 18 and 23 and still more to do after that. You have to acknowledge that the younger a player is the more risk there is that their career will go off track.

...

The way the ridiculous transfer market has been working the last few years I have no idea what £27m is supposed to get you. But I do know that £27m could represent a large chunk of our transfer kitty. And I do know (imo anyway) that fullback is the least important and easiest position on the pitch to fill.

If over the next few years United continue to throw around this type of money regularly, then we'll be able to discount this Shaw bid as anything noteworthy. But that would still strike me as the club are being foolishly loose with their money. I get the feeling that they're trying to spend big at every opportunity these days to impress somebody, rather than just doing what's best for building long term success.

I'm sure Van Gal will have no problem keeping him on the straight and narrow by the sounds of him...

KH25

Big changes happening by the looks of it. Im very excited by it all.

tallaghtmick

I hope Van Gaal is announced this week, I've a lot of worried rival supporting friends

Felexicon

lordgoat wrote: »

In fairness he didn't say that. He said as a position fullback is the least important and I think I'd agree. You can get a solid FB in to do a job and the tea, should be ok. But other positions are more important to the team. GK CM and CB would be the key areas in that order for me. Then up front, then wingers and then FB. This is loosely speaking and not talking about any particular team.

Have to disagree to a certain extent there. Watching Jones and Smalling at full back over the last couple of seasons has highlighted the need for decent fullbacks to be successful. Anytime they were playing on the right our attacks just broke down due to them not having to required skills to play the role effectively. They'd go on the overlap and either hoof it in to row Z or deliver one of those terrible looping crosses to beyond the back post that was easy pickings for the keeper. Defensively they are fine but the modern full back needs to be utilized in attack too

Felexicon

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

So just for the record you are standing by two facts, Bill Foulkes is a better player than Rio and football today is no better than in 1950's/60's?

Having Foulkes in a top five ahead of Rio is sentiment and probably a little anti Rio sentiment.

No he's standing by his opinion. You're the only one trying to pass his opinion off as fact.
If that's his opinion he's entitled to it, I disagree with him but that's ok

KH25

Felexicon wrote: »

Have to disagree to a certain extent there. Watching Jones and Smalling at full back over the last couple of seasons has highlighted the need for decent fullbacks to be successful. Anytime they were playing on the right our attacks just broke down due to them not having to required skills to play the role effectively. They'd go on the overlap and either hoof it in to row Z or deliver one of those terrible looping crosses to beyond the back post that was easy pickings for the keeper. Defensively they are fine but the modern full back needs to be utilized in attack too

Jones and Smalling have been messed about by constantly being thrown in at RB, and not getting a good, consistent run at CB.