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Antibac

Would Van Haal have to be in Manchester for the announcement? Normally in these situations don't they just say that X has agreed to take over after the World Cup?

kryogen

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Boards looks different to me today, am I alone in that?

Edit:

Wait, now it looks normal...............confused!

bangkok

GSPfan wrote: »

Hope to god that's Giggs' last game at Old Trafford. No amount of emotion can erase the last 6 years of frustration watching him play in meaningful games. Giving the ball away 90% of the time.

It's been amazing but please let this be it.

I said the other day i want Adnan starting next year and I won't change that stance no matter how many bad games he has because much like a young Ronaldo I think he will be our star player in about 3 years. Tonight was just great.

90% of the time?!

against Bayern munich "the best side in Europe" and against real Madrid giggs was class the last 2 years

Antibac

kryogen wrote: »

Boards looks different to me today, am I alone in that?

It's the positivity after last nights win! No doom and gloom.

Mobile boards doesn't seem any different

Mitch Connor

Antibac wrote: »

Would Van Haal have to be in Manchester for the announcement? Normally in these situations don't they just say that X has agreed to take over after the World Cup?

Indeed - I don't think Moyes was in manchester, think his press conference in July was first instance of him at United, publicly.

tallaghtmick

Agueroooo wrote: »

Carlsberg dont do making your senior debut at 18 but if they did....

always good to see a young player doing well.

Wilson reminds me of a young Micheal Owen.

Ive been saying that for a few weeks now, hopefully he stays injury free :P

newballsplease

homerjay2005 wrote: »

yep, its certainly not helping and those people are morons. the way he has been treated in the last few months by our fans is shocking.

its hard not to feel sorry for him.



in all fairness, he fairly destroyed us 3 or 4 times before he signed for us, especially in that 4-4 game, which cost us the title and that is as good a "trial" or endorsement as you can get. i was a huge fan of his and have no problem admitting around 2012 i was one who said we should go for him.

he can come good and have a positive influence for us, but at the moment it does not look good. a decent world cup, a holiday and a solid preseason could help to regain his confidence though.

Fellaini played in a different position most time he 'destroyed' teams. Just off the front man is where he had his best games for Everton. Longs balls up to him to knock them on or hold up play. Or getting on the end of a cross from baines etc.

He was never the answer to Utds CM problem.

kryogen

newballsplease wrote: »

Fellaini played in a different position most time he 'destroyed' teams. Just off the front man is where he had his best games for Everton. Longs balls up to him to knock them on or hold up play. Or getting on the end of a cross from baines etc.

He was never the answer to Utds CM problem.

Do you see many Belgium games?

Oh, and the other thing, no one player is the answer to United midfield problems so you may as well forget that for a start

Mitch Connor

Wilson has pace, and is clinical, like Owen - but I think there is more link play, creativity to him at a young age than Owen. Not saying he will be better than Owen, just different - and he has a LONG LONG LONG way to go yet.

Was actually shocked he missed that chance in the opening minutes - reckon nerves got the better of him in the opening 15mins or so.

homerjay2005

Antibac wrote: »

Would Van Haal have to be in Manchester for the announcement? Normally in these situations don't they just say that X has agreed to take over after the World Cup?

no, i dont recall Moyes being present for anything, but i could be wrong on that.

redzerdrog

M!Ck^ wrote: »

+1

Never feared anything or anyone. Will be sorely missed.

apart from Torres

newballsplease

kryogen wrote: »

Do you see many Belgium games?

Oh, and the other thing, no one player is the answer to United midfield problems so you may as well forget that for a start

No i dont see many Belgium games. But i know thats the position he plays with them is the same he plays with Utd.
What teams has he destroyed playing in that position?????

Blatter

homerjay2005 wrote: »

yep, its certainly not helping and those people are morons. the way he has been treated in the last few months by our fans is shocking.

its hard not to feel sorry for him.

The Cleverley abuse is very frustrating as well. He has shown before that he's a good player.

I think we could see him get back on track under van Gaal in a 4-3-3.

A fluid system with good movement around him would suit him down to the ground imo. His greatest strength is quickly recycling the ball with not too much defensive or creative responsibility. That specific role wasn't really available to him in such a systematic style.

I still wouldn't completely rule him out becoming a key player for us in time. He can definitely be a good squad player at a minimum though imo, if used correctly.

Thecon21

Van Gaal - Giggs partnership agreed.

homerjay2005

kryogen wrote: »

Oh, and the other thing, no one player is the answer to United midfield problems so you may as well forget that for a start

Tony Kroos would solve almost all of them, the rest would purely down to the fact that Carrick and Fletcher need to be replaced.

in talking about sheer numbers in there, then you are right....we need more than one player.

Blatter

newballsplease wrote: »

Fellaini played in a different position most time he 'destroyed' teams. Just off the front man is where he had his best games for Everton. Longs balls up to him to knock them on or hold up play. Or getting on the end of a cross from baines etc.

He was never the answer to Utds CM problem.

He played in CM for years at Everton.

During thst time he was consistently linked to clubs like United and Chelsea due to his good performances. It was only really 12/13 he played a lot up front off the striker, he had gotten plenty of plaudits playing in CM before that.

upstairs for coffee

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Was actually shocked he missed that chance in the opening minutes - reckon nerves got the better of him in the opening 15mins or so.

Jaysus, talk about being overly critical. Hull's defender did brilliantly, there was no way Wilson, or anyone else, was getting it past him.

newballsplease

Blatter wrote: »

He played in CM for years at Everton.

During thst time he was consistently linked to clubs like United and Chelsea due to his good performances. It was only really 12/13 he played a lot up front off the striker, he had gotten plenty of plaudits playing in CM before that.

I dont agree. He never stood out as been a chelsea or utd player playing in that position of CM imo. Without a doubt he played his best games off the front man.

kryogen

newballsplease wrote: »

No i dont see many Belgium games. But i know thats the position he plays with them is the same he plays with Utd.
What teams has he destroyed playing in that position?????

This season?

Played well against the Ivory Coast, Serbia, Croatia and USA, was ok in a couple of others but I do remember him having a poor enough game v Colombia

Fellaini can be a very good option to have in the squad, but to think he was going to solve all the midfield problems, or more to the point, expect that he was, and if he doesnt do it on his own, he is a waste of a jersey, is foolish.

kryogen

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Tony Kroos would solve almost all of them, the rest would purely down to the fact that Carrick and Fletcher need to be replaced.

in talking about sheer numbers in there, then you are right....we need more than one player.

Exactly, we need more then one player, Toni Kroos could not solve the midfield on his own either.

No one player could

Will I Amnt

I think we can all agree that Fellaini is a much better player than he has shown for United. Whether that's a high enough standard for you is another story.

Giggsy11

Dan Roan ‏@danroan 5m

Van Gaal has just arrived at Dutch training in Hoenderloo but refuses to answer my questions about Utd. No announcement this week I'm told

Mark Ogden ‏@MOgdenTelegraph 3m

No LVG announcement this week. No dramas, just a case of getting season finished and out of the way.#mufc

kryogen

newballsplease wrote: »

I dont agree. He never stood out as been a chelsea or utd player playing in that position of CM imo. Without a doubt he played his best games off the front man.

Right, except he was getting linked to Chelsea and United on the strength of those performances.

(Thats not a matter of opinion)

kryogen

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Dan Roan ‏@danroan 5m


Mark Ogden ‏@MOgdenTelegraph 3m

Wasn't Ogden saying previous there was an announcement close?

kryogen

Hope Meyler misses the final you know, doesnt get any better watching it back

homerjay2005

something that went unnoticed that Fellaini actually got two assists last night, may give him confidence.

Blatter wrote: »

The Cleverley abuse is very frustrating as well. He has shown before that he's a good player.

I think we could see him get back on track under van Gaal in a 4-3-3.

it really is amazing how certain players like Cleverly and nani (and now you can include Fellaini in that) gets dogs abuse off our fans inside Old Trafford, yet then other, less skillful players like Valencia, Welbeck, Jones and a few more seem to get a free pass.

i put it down to a very simple concept...it you work your bollix off, throw in tackles you are loved at the club and its a mentality that Ferguson instilled. its pehaps also why the likes of Veron and berba didnt work, they just didnt have the work rate of the players around them.

WallyGUFC

Mark Ogden (reliable as fook) on Twitter said there'll be no announcement this week, that they're just waiting for the season to be finished out.

Edit: I'm slow this morning.

Will I Amnt

homerjay2005 wrote: »

something that went unnoticed that Fellaini actually got two assists last night, may give him confidence.



it really is amazing how certain players like Cleverly and nani (and now you can include Fellaini in that) gets dogs abuse off our fans inside Old Trafford, yet then other, less skillful players like Valencia, Welbeck, Jones and a few more seem to get a free pass.

i put it down to a very simple concept...it you work your bollix off, throw in tackles you are loved at the club and its a mentality that Ferguson instilled. its pehaps also why the likes of Veron and berba didnt work, they just didnt have the work rate of the players around them.

Seriously???

Will I Amnt

WallyGUFC wrote: »

Mark Ogden (reliable as fook) on Twitter said there'll be no announcement this week, that they're just waiting for the season to be finished out.

Edit: I'm slow this morning.

Wasn't reliable as fook the other day when he said there would be an announcement this week.

homerjay2005

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Seriously???

what you mean?

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

Wasn't Ogden saying previous there was an announcement close?

I still have a gut feeling the board are holding out until the Champions league final is over. There are potentially other options available.........

Will I Amnt

homerjay2005 wrote: »

what you mean?

Valencia and Welbeck don't get a free pass, far from it.

Edit: just seen you said inside OT.

Leftist

why no announcement? what's the point?

jane82

Blatter wrote: »

He played in CM for years at Everton.

During thst time he was consistently linked to clubs like United and Chelsea due to his good performances. It was only really 12/13 he played a lot up front off the striker, he had gotten plenty of plaudits playing in CM before that.

Constantly linked but never bought. Did Woodward negotiate the deals for his moves to Chelsea and city or was it all paper talk?
Ive never seen him looking world class as a dm. He moves his huge frame too slowly. He could have scored last night if he could adjust his feet better.
He is a battering ram. A natural battering ram. Not worth 27 million but worth keeping around for the type of games where a break through is desparately needed.
I am 100 percent sure that if he hadnt of got that knock down from the free kick United wouldnt have scored last night.
Really dire stuff until the goal. Its looks like they are hunting the person they are passing the ball to.
Step 1 stop the ball
Step 2 ensure your prey has finished running or is still
Step 3 Carefully release the safety
Step 4 Pull the trigger.
Step 5 Retreat backwards until you are sure no hungry wild animals are in the vicinity.

Sounds silly but it really was that bad until the knockdown.

Tl/Dr He has his uses. Not worth the money but good in the squad. Won us the game last night.

homerjay2005

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Valencia and Welbeck don't get a free pass, far from it.

Edit: just seen you said inside OT.

on here no, but at games they get away with murder.

it really is all about work rate at this club or putting in a "good shift" as they say.

for me, thats why our football quality dropped, the focus on technical ability lessened but the work rate was kept up until this season.

Son Of A Vidic

Blatter wrote: »

The Cleverley abuse is very frustrating as well. He has shown before that he's a good player.

I think we could see him get back on track under van Gaal in a 4-3-3.

A fluid system with good movement around him would suit him down to the ground imo. His greatest strength is quickly recycling the ball with not too much defensive or creative responsibility. That specific role wasn't really available to him in such a systematic style.

I still wouldn't completely rule him out becoming a key player for us in time. He can definitely be a good squad player at a minimum though imo, if used correctly.

How much time do we need to see a player develop? He's had a few years now and personally I remain completely underwhelmed by what he has done at United. At best he's a bit part player for me and I'm hoping he'll be moved on.

Giggsy11

Wait goes on.

Ian Ladyman ‏@Ian_Ladyman_DM 2m

The wait for Van Gaal goes on. But it will still be Van Gaal.

jamie jackson ‏@JamieJackson___ 4m

no announcement on new manager this week say #mufc ... crumbs

This is getting weird, all the journos are fed with the same news. 2 days back it was "it will be announced today" now "no announcement this week"

kryogen

Leftist wrote: »

why no announcement? what's the point?

Whats the rush?

Everything seems to be agreed anyway, maybe Louis doesnt want his training plans disrupted, maybe United dont want the preparations for the last game disrupted, maybe they just wanna let Giggs get on with the job and then announce it after the final game.

There really is no rush, there is not a huge list of candidates, and it seems to be almost as badly kept a secret as Moyes getting the sack that Van Gaal will be the next manager. I wouldnt get stressed about it.

They are talking about when he will be announced rather then if, all media outlets seem extremely sure of it

Giggsy11

kryogen wrote: »

Wasn't Ogden saying previous there was an announcement close?

Yeah, Ogden, James Ducker and Jamie Jackson all said it would be announced in this week and Ducker said it might be before Hull game too. Now all 3 are saying no announcement this week.

Story of the season.

newballsplease

So being 'linked' means its a fact some team was interested!!
I dont know what games some of ye have watched but Fellaini has never stood out for me in a def CM role.
His best play is when hes been a pain in the hole of some defender in the box trying to get on the end of a cross/corner/long ball. Thats about it. Most of his goals id guess have been with his head.Good for that Yes 100% !

But good for a central midfielder breaking down play, tackling, spreading the play, creative passes, forward runs with ball..... No.

Leftist

kryogen wrote: »

Whats the rush?

Everything seems to be agreed anyway, maybe Louis doesnt want his training plans disrupted, maybe United dont want the preparations for the last game disrupted, maybe they just wanna let Giggs get on with the job and then announce it after the final game.

There really is no rush, there is not a huge list of candidates, and it seems to be almost as badly kept a secret as Moyes getting the sack that Van Gaal will be the next manager. I wouldnt get stressed about it.

They are talking about when he will be announced rather then if, all media outlets seem extremely sure of it

i just can't see how any of that is important.

surely the dutch national side has yet to meet up, so announcing it now is the best time for him..

surely sundays game is a total dead rubber event, away from home and is hardly a bad influence on the players who could be motivated to impress their newly announced manager?

it's a total non-entity game so why save Giggs some distraction?

I'm getting hysterical I know, but I don't like the smell of this uncertainty.

if city win tonight I think it will help..

kryogen

newballsplease wrote: »

So being 'linked' means its a fact some team was interested!!
I dont know what games some of ye have watched but Fellaini has never stood out for me in a def CM role.
His best play is when hes been a pain in the hole of some defender in the box trying to get on the end of a cross/corner/long ball. Thats about it. Most of his goals id guess have been with his head.Good for that Yes 100% !

But good for a central midfielder breaking down play, tackling, spreading the play, creative passes, forward runs with ball..... No.

You don't think he is good at intercepting and winning the ball even? This will go nowhere in that case.

jane82

kryogen wrote: »

You don't think he is good at intercepting and winning the ball even? This will go nowhere in that case.

He is excellent at awkwardly knocking over the fella he is tackling if thats what you mean.

kryogen

jane82 wrote: »

He is excellent at awkwardly knocking over the fella he is tackling if thats what you mean.

Here read it again

kryogen wrote: »

You don't think he is good at intercepting and winning the ball even? This will go nowhere in that case.

Do you think that's what I mean?

Blatter

jane82 wrote: »

Constantly linked but never bought. Did Woodward negotiate the deals for his moves to Chelsea and city or was it all paper talk?

I think you missed my point.

Usually when players are linked to big clubs over a sustained period of time, they tend to be performing quite well.

newballsplease

kryogen wrote: »

You don't think he is good at intercepting and winning the ball even? This will go nowhere in that case.

Is that enough to merit a place as a def/central midfielder in Utds team?

v3ttel

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Every man and his dog could see Fellaini wasn't Utd standard yet the clamour for him to be signed in here was ridiculous.

You've managed to contradict yourself in one single sentence.

bullvine

I can see United cutting their losses on Fellaini. I just hope they don't do something crazy like send him on loan, hopefully he'll have a good world cup.

kryogen

newballsplease wrote: »

Is that enough to merit a place as a def/central midfielder in Utds team?

With the right player next to him, sure.

Without someone to do the grunt work the creative players don't have as much chance to flourish.

Definitely worthy of a place in the squad, hopefully he can push on next year in more settled surroundings.

jane82

I cant multiquote on the phone lads. He isnt good at getting the ball and quickly making a pass.
He is a bit awkward in the tackle.

He can do a job as a dm but he hasnt shown champions league level as a dm. Thats what united need.
He is best off a striker making a nuissance of himself. He is being indulged playing dm if he doesnt improve.
I thought he had a fairly decent game last night just nervous infront of goal. Once he gets one goal he will start scoring.
He made the first two and his prescence in the box made space for rvp on the third.
This is his best position. Its not beautiful football but here he can be used any number of games a year when its needed.
Its man utd. We need a dm that can win the ball and get an attack going. With Fellaini we win the ball take a few awkward touches to get control of the ball then pass 5 yards. It hasnt been good enough.

I am absolutely not saying he should be sold. He is just getting played out of position.
Kagawa was miscueing little passes all over the place too last night but Fellaini is getting all the hate.
We need a good dm not another number 10 who wants to play dm.