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Cantona's Collars

Out of the current squad,only Evans jumps out as captain material.He's vocal on the pitch and not afraid to speak his mind.Remember him roaring at Carrick for playing a pass back to the 'keeper after getting the ball in acres of space?

I have a feeling that LVG will assess who's most suitable and make his own mind up,sentimentality won't play a part in it.

kryogen

GSPfan wrote: »

Its mad how people over a short space of time forget how bad Evra is. Its like you need to see him play to really appreciate how bad he got. So NO to Evra staying. Get him out the door please. Another brilliant player who's legacy is tarnished by him being kept on too long. Release him quick before people start to believe he is the best left back in the world.

Evra is knackered because he has pretty much played every single game for about 5 years now, he should have had some decent back up brought in to take a bit of the work load, I think the mind is willing, the body just isnt able to go with it anymore.

So, as back up, being around the squad and used a lot less I would be ok with him staying around, he can be cover on the left wing also, is still great at going forward and linking play, he just doesnt have the legs to get up and down the line for 90 minutes anymore.

I wouldnt be too upset about him going either by the way, but I think there is certainly still a place for him in the squad in the right circumstance, who better to be a mentor to Shaw for example and to guide him into becoming the best full back in Europe, which Evra was pretty close to for a long time, never put him above Lahm personally, but that was about it at the time I think.

kryogen

zerks wrote: »

Out of the current squad,only Evans jumps out as captain material.He's vocal on the pitch and not afraid to speak his mind.Remember him roaring at Carrick for playing a pass back to the 'keeper after getting the ball in acres of space?

I have a feeling that LVG will assess who's most suitable and make his own mind up,sentimentality won't play a part in it.

Whatever we think about the importance of the captain, Louis Van Gaal is firmly in the category of the captain is a very important role and he will choose carefully alright.

glued

Evra isn't half as bad as people make out. He's had a mixed two years but his decline has been over exaggerated and he's played a hell of a lot of the past couple of years.

Cantona's Collars

Sorry for going OT but I turned on SSN, Hayley is on with some background noise and pictures:D

GSPfan

I'd argue having a Patrice Evra not playing regular football would be worse. He is already off the pace in most games. Hardly gonna be beneficial to his match sharpness playing 1 in every 5 games.

As for playing him on the wing???????? Don't know where this suggestion has come from lately but if you are all trying to trick me then you have succeeded.

Also the idea that Evra can help Shaw be a great left back - Surely the coaches do that not the players? Shaw does not need Evra.

While i appreciate and respect everyones views on Evra I just have to disagree big time.

homerjay2005

glued wrote: »

Evra isn't half as bad as people make out. He's had a mixed two years but his decline has been over exaggerated and he's played a hell of a lot of the past couple of years.

i find it very strange that people slag off Evra for last year when pretty much our entire squad was absolutely awful for the season.

12/13 Evra had an excellent year.

GSPfan

glued wrote: »

Evra isn't half as bad as people make out. He's had a mixed two years but his decline has been over exaggerated and he's played a hell of a lot of the past couple of years.

Evra should have been replaced 3 years ago. Don't confuse World Class Evra with Present day Evra. One was one of the worlds best left backs who played every week. The other is a tired 33 year old who's legs are going and makes bizarre decisions which cost the team goals.

No one disputes his brilliance at one stage but much like Gary Neville there is a point where enough is enough.

Cantona's Collars

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i find it very strange that people slag off Evra for last year when pretty much our entire squad was absolutely awful for the season.

12/13 Evra had an excellent year.

Look back at his performances,running forward and jogging back to the halfway line.
Heat maps give a lot away,constantly whoever played CB on the left ended up covering for him and leaving massive gaps while he sauntered back,defending became an inconvenience.
Yes he's been a great servant at the club but his time is up.

Technophobe

Whether you want Evra gone or not, it may pay to think of the fact that already, out of 4 regular defenders, 2 are gone... That's s lot of experience in one go if Evra went... May pay to keep him for another year imo

Cantona's Collars

Looks like Lisbon's coach is taking over at Monaco,I wonder if he'll try to take Carvalho with him?

GSPfan

Technophobe wrote: »

Whether you want Evra gone or not, it may pay to think of the fact that already, out of 4 regular defenders, 2 are gone... That's s lot of experience in one go if Evra went... May pay to keep him for another year imo

What good was Evra's experience in the CL quarter final after he scored a cracker? Experience can't make up for decline in physical sharpness.

Rafael is only young but he has a mountain of experience. There is tons of experience with players who can still run for 90 minutes that we can call on in the squad.

The_Kew_Tour

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i find it very strange that people slag off Evra for last year when pretty much our entire squad was absolutely awful for the season.

12/13 Evra had an excellent year.

Plenty of players did not shine, but not even Fergie could have done much with Evra performances.

They were catastrophic. He made mistake after mistake.

The Bayern away game summed up Evra season.

Technophobe

GSPfan wrote: »

Rafael is only young but he has a mountain of experience. There is tons of experience with players who can still run for 90 minutes that we can call on in the squad.

Not sure I agree at this point. Is this the Rafael that sometimes gets edgy or too pumped in big may matches, and can appear to be a " sending off waiting to happen "?
Or Jones who might lunge, injure himself or another... Or Evans who might lose concentration at a vital moment? Or Smalling who hasnt yet nailed a settled place..

Yes CM has always been our problem, hope defense not now added to it..

Cantona's Collars

Here's the heat map from the Saints game,look who was barely in position,story of the season with Evra.You can go to any game and see where he was,it certainly wasn't where he was meant to be.

http://epl.squawka.com/southampton-vs-manchester-united/11-05-2014/english-barclays-premier-league/matches

GSPfan

Technophobe wrote: »

Not sure I agree at this point. Is this the Rafael that sometimes gets edgy or too pumped in big may matches, and can appear to be a " sending off waiting to happen "?
Or Jones who might lunge, injure himself or another... Or Evans who might lose concentration at a vital moment? Or Smalling who hasnt yet nailed a settled place..

Yes CM has always been our problem, hope defense not now added to it..

What we need is good coaching and fit and healthy players.

I just think this experience factor is far outweighed by actual hard work and good physical attributes. Both of which Evra lacks at this present time.

Technophobe

GSPfan wrote: »

What we need is good coaching and fit and healthy players.

I agree, but it's a bit of a generalization in fairness....
Still cannot beat experience IMO
World love us to sign a classy cb, but who is out there..

Cantona's Collars

The Times & The People saying that it will take £30 million to get Shaw.

GSPfan

Technophobe wrote: »

I agree, but it's a bit of a generalization in fairness....
Still cannot beat experience IMO
World love us to sign a classy cb, but who is out there..

How about signing Rio Ferdinand... Loads of experience!

Lord TSC

I have said that the manager and the players needed to shoulder he blame this season. And no player exemplifies the problems within the squad more than Evra. Half-arsed, half-hearted preformances, a complete liability time and time again and never looking all that bothered as the ship was sinking.

In the same way Moyes had to face the consequences for his performances, so too does Evra. A lot of players were poor this season but at least looked frustrated and passionate about what was happening. Evra never seemed all that bothered.

A club legend, who had great seasons long ago...but so did other players and it's time for him to move on now.

MagicMarker

Evra had his best season in years last season, most likely because Buttner was brought in and he finally had a bit of competition for his place.

I reckon he'd be good backup.

GSPfan

As much as i want Evra gone I just want to clarify I don't think he is purposely playing bad or purposely lacking effort I just think his time at United is over, due to his age and physical decline.

Not picking any post in particular but I want Evra gone so that we dont have people slaughtering him next season and questioning his loyalty and commitment and whatever. I never question that. Cantona did it better than anyone ever has. Leave before you're pushed. Even if he went too early.

Al Capwned

MagicMarker wrote: »

Evra had his best season in years last season, most likely because Buttner was brought in and he finally had a bit of competition for his place.

I reckon he'd be good backup.

Best season in years?
Man, along with many more, he was shocking last season....

Donnielighto

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

A pretty big if going on this season.

I thanked your sig more than your post

MagicMarker

Al Capwned wrote: »

Best season in years?
Man, along with many more, he was shocking last season....

By last season I mean 2012/13, he had a good season.

Donnielighto

GSPfan wrote: »

How about signing Rio Ferdinand... Loads of experience!

He said classy, Rio has been shown this season to be completely classless.

Blatter

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its very clear Evans is a better CB than the other 2. more experienced, more proven, better footballer.

its like you saying that we cant pick the keeper when we all know it will be De Gea and likewise we all know Mata, Rooney, RVP, will be playing in his first 11.

It's not very clear to me at all. Evans is good but overrated, Jones and Smalling have a higher ceiling than him IMO.

lordgoat

Signed a young goal keeper apparently. Weird as we have a few decent underage keepers!

Al Capwned

lordgoat wrote: »

Signed a young goal keeper apparently. Weird as we have a few decent underage keepers!

From ManUtd.com

Manchester United is pleased to announce it has reached agreement with FK Vojvodina for the transfer of Serbian Under-17 international goalkeeper Vanja Milinkovic.

Both clubs have agreed that the player will remain with FK Vojvodina next season.

tallaghtmick

We signed a player!!!

ScummyMan

Can he play in midfield?

UnitedIrishman

Evra was shocking last season and if you went through all the goals we conceded last season, I would wager that a decent percentage of them came from our left hand side.

I don't know if its the body that's just not willing anymore or its the appetite to get himself into the correct positions, but I think his time is done especially as a starter.

Fantastic servant all the same and United through and through.

DM_7

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Evra was shocking last season and if you went through all the goals we conceded last season, I would wager that a decent percentage of them came from our left hand side.

I don't know if its the body that's just not willing anymore or its the appetite to get himself into the correct positions, but I think his time is done especially as a starter.

Fantastic servant all the same and United through and through.

The constant changes and lack of an actual left midfield player is also a factor in Uniteds problems down that side

NoviGlitzko

A forgotten interview from years ago about Roy Keane that is a genuine great read. Talks about Becks, Giggs, & Cantona.

http://www.manchester.com/sport/united/roy-keane-interview.php

IrishIrish

zerks wrote: »

Here's the heat map from the Saints game,look who was barely in position,story of the season with Evra.You can go to any game and see where he was,it certainly wasn't where he was meant to be.

http://epl.squawka.com/southampton-vs-manchester-united/11-05-2014/english-barclays-premier-league/matches

Just looked at this. He has a very similar heat map to Luke Shaw in this game and when you compare their stats Evra has at the very least equal, and arguably more impressive stats.

Obviously only 1 game and doesn't really show anything but don't see why you would use it as some sort of proof of Evras bad season. Evra obviously isn't as good as he once was and didn't have a great season, but as has already been said, no players had a good season. I think its wrong to criticize his effort and passion too as he is easily one of the most passionate members of the squad in terms of his love for Man Utd and you can see this every time he's interviewed. Never has a bad word to say about the club and constantly talks about his appreciation and gratefulness of being able to play for United. I've also seen him attending youth games at United.

As others have said I'd be happy to see him stay on in a reduced role and the fact its already been said that Rio's contract will not be renewed makes me think Evra will be staying or we would already know.

Mikeyt086

I watched a David De Gea highlight video yesterday, great saves of course, but the sheer AMOUNT of chances that Dave had to save because of BASIC passes played in behind Evra was a joke. I actually laughed. You can say everybody had a bad season, but Evra might have been the most consistently poor. Going forward he was decent, sure, but you are in the back four to ****ing defend and the sheer apathy with which he did his defending means he should be shown no sentimentality. He can't do the job any more, time to move on.

Trigger

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I watched a David De Gea highlight video yesterday, great saves of course, but the sheer AMOUNT of chances that Dave had to save because of BASIC passes played in behind Evra was a joke. I actually laughed. You can say everybody had a bad season, but Evra might have been the most consistently poor. Going forward he was decent, sure, but you are in the back four to ****ing defend and the sheer apathy with which he did his defending means he should be shown no sentimentality. He can't do the job any more, time to move on.

Any chance of a link to this video, wouldn't mind having a look at the saves :cool:

Mikeyt086

astradave wrote: »

Any chance of a link to this video, wouldn't mind having a look at the saves :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sc3bowjf_0

Thecon21

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sc3bowjf_0

Some save from the header at 1:12.. Wish the players would congratulate him bit more

Mars Bar

I counted 9 shots or crosses he had to claim coming from Evra's side in that video

newballsplease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcBRIZG87o

May have been posted before apologies.

Mikeyt086

Mars Bar wrote: »

I counted 9 shots or crosses he had to claim coming from Evra's side in that video

1:21 and 1:53 being two of the most pathetic attempts at defending I've ever seen.

But no, Evra is grand, and Kroos is over-rated. #DroolerProblems

IrishIrish

This is a genuine question...

Why do you think he has been picked for France world cup squad and will most likely be the starting left back? Must seem like a crazy decision for you if he's as bad as you seem to think.

ElChe32

IrishIrish wrote: »

This is a genuine question...

Why do you think he has been picked for France world cup squad and will most likely be the starting left back? Must seem like a crazy decision for you if he's as bad as you seem to think.

He was picked because Clichey was left out because he's a ****e stirrer in the camp (as was evra but Blanc loves him)

redbaron_99

Robbie fowler thinks van gaal is too old, and that we should have went for a young British manager.

Lol

IrishIrish

ElChe32 wrote: »

He was picked because Clichey was left out because he's a ****e stirrer in the camp (as was evra but Blanc loves him)

Well this is just completely wrong so not going to bother getting in to it but Clichy going or not makes no difference to Evra's place in the squad.

ElChe32

IrishIrish wrote: »

Well this is just completely wrong so not going to bother getting in to it but Clichy going or not makes no difference to Evra's place in the squad.

*Dechamps not Blanc -_- sorry

redbaron_99

IrishIrish wrote: »

Well this is just completely wrong so not going to bother getting in to it but Clichy going or not makes no difference to Evra's place in the squad.

We'll see if it was the right decision, and how is form, soon enough when we watch the World Cup.
The truth is evra has been relatively poor for a couple of years. There has been a slow decline in his play and he is simply not good enough now.
Time and time again he is at fault for giving chances to the opposition. Some times we get punished, sometimes we don't.
The fact that vidic went for him after the Liverpool game speaks volumes

shrewdness

He's some size, this new keeper. 6 foot 7 at the age of 17!

homerjay2005

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The Bayern away game summed up Evra season.

i think you should point the fingers at others before Evra for this game.

first goal the entire team went to sleep and Evra the LB is the only one that was actually trying to challenge the header in the center of defence - RB, CB and CB all went missing

2nd goal Vidic was beaten to the ball from a fairly innocuous cross that originally came from the right hand side again.

3rd goal deflected in off Vidic who stood off Robben and let him run. you could say Evra didnt challenge either but the ball literally travelled 70 yards straight to Robben and his run wasnt challenged by anybody.

its a but much to blame Evra when Vidic should be the first person you should be pointing fingers at.