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DCM 2014: Mentored Novices Thread
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LOL so I'm back to square one, one boardsie says race, the other says don't
although I am slightly heartened to see you say I'll be back to normal by the following weekend when, according to my plan I need to run 19 miles, I'm not doing any club sessions this week and my last run will be 4 miles this eve. I won't do the club sessions next week either, just recovery runs and hopefully then my LSR on saturday as normal.
I think I will start in or around the 2hr pacers and see how it feels running with them, if its too fast/hurting/a struggle I'll pull back.
I think it comes down to the individual
As AMK says keep the main thing being your target race however just because of that doesn't mean that the HM is veering off course especially if the plan has a designated race in it around that time.
In terms of how you approach the race ask yourself the following questions
1) Do you feel mentally strong about DCM? If not racing might be a good option as the confidence of running 13 miles at quicker than marathon pace may be needed to get your head around running double that at slighter lower
2) Do you feel it is your body that will fail you in DCM rather than mental aspect? If so I would say PMP as it's physically a more specific to your target and will enable you to need less recovery in the week following on from the race to enable you to continue with training uninterrupted.
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LOL so I'm back to square one, one boardsie says race, the other says don't although I am slightly heartened to see you say I'll be back to normal by the following weekend when, according to my plan I need to run 19 miles, I'm not doing any club sessions this week and my last run will be 4 miles this eve. I won't do the club sessions next week either, just recovery runs and hopefully then my LSR on saturday as normal.
I think I will start in or around the 2hr pacers and see how it feels running with them, if its too fast/hurting/a struggle I'll pull back.
You're gonna hate me.....but here goes......
For what it's worth, I think if you were going to race a HM, it should have been done 3 or 4 weeks ago in Clonmel or somewhere.
The advise on this thread that I took on most about all of this was from menoscemo (I think) around week 1 of the plan when he said, in his view, there is very little additional benefit between racing a HM as opposed to racing 10 miles, and we raced 10 miles at what is around the correct time to do a HM in any plans for any other marathon I ever see. And I have seen in logs and events threads around here where people preparing for other marathons and who are far more experienced than us wouldn't race a HM only 5 weeks out from their marathon, or only 2 weeks before taper starts - It makes 5 of the last 6 weeks either taper weeks or recovery weeks, which I find ludicrous personally!
Call it cynical, but I am refusing to be a slave to the DCM race-series money making agenda! They know damn well it's a daft time to have the HM but they're hell-bent on fitting the 4 races into the 18 weeks which they know is the duration of most people's plans and people will adjust their plans to suit. These 4 races should start a month earlier IMO.
I decided on that week 1 not to do this race. So I'd do it at PMP if I were you and add it in and don't taper for it very much and rover quickly. Seems better balanced to me.
Sorry if that only makes things worse. I'd just hate to see you missing anything or not being as ready as you can be!
I know you've probably recieved too many views on this now. Sorry!
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And I have seen in logs and events threads around here where people preparing for other marathons and who are far more experienced than us wouldn't race a HM only 5 weeks out from their marathon, or only 2 weeks before taper starts - It makes 5 of the last 6 weeks either taper weeks or recovery weeks, which I find ludicrous personally!
I raced the Longford HM on August 24th, which is 5 weeks out from my target marathon (Berlin)Call it cynical, but I am refusing to be a slave to the DCM race-series money making agenda! They know damn well it's a daft time to have the HM but they're hell-bent on fitting the 4 races into the 18 weeks which they know is the duration of most people's plans and people will adjust their plans to suit. These 4 races should start a month earlier IMO.
I really don't agree with this. I have no affiliation with the DCM or the Race Series, but I think it's great value and each race has been deliberately set up with the marathon in mind. 5 weeks is quite a long time imo.0 -
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Call it cynical, but I am refusing to be a slave to the DCM race-series money making agenda! They know damn well it's a daft time to have the HM but they're hell-bent on fitting the 4 races into the 18 weeks which they know is the duration of most people's plans and people will adjust their plans to suit. These 4 races should start a month earlier IMO.
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Would be in the same boat as yaboya regarding this, while not optimal in many experienced eyes I think that it serves a great function for first time runners as it lays out a steady progression through what is usually the first endeavour at an 18 week plan.
In terms of optimal marathon performance this is just not possible in 18 weeks as it takes years to build up your aerobic base to the level where you can achieve absolute optimal performances but for the general public the Race series provides a logical and safe build up for those who are coming from a non racing/ relatively novice starting point.0 -
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The advise on this thread that I took on most about all of this was from menoscemo (I think) around week 1 of the plan when he said, in his view, there is very little additional benefit between racing a HM as opposed to racing 10 miles, and we raced 10 miles at what is around the correct time to do a HM in any plans for any other marathon I ever see.
In My defense I think I was giving that advice specifically to one poster who seemed to have a hell of a lot of races in his plan and if I recall correctly those races already included a half marathon as well as the 10 miler.
If someone has already raced a 10 mile and a HM in the last month or two I don't think there is a lot of benefit from doing another one on saturday, better of training in that case. But for someone lacking experience of racing (espcially longer races like a HM) I think the racing experience is invaluable and they should race their HM in my opinion (even if it is only 5 weeks out).
This is the problem with 'generic advice'. There is no piece of advice that will suit everyone. Ideally advice should be given to people on a case by case basis, but on a thread like this that's obviously impossible...0 -
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SeanPuddin wrote: »3:30 here I come
Depending on which of them you run with, going with one of the3:40 lads might get you anywhere from a 2:59 to 5hrs.... I call it pacee roulette!0 -
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Depending on which of them you run with, going with one of the3:40 lads might get you anywhere from a 2:59 to 5hrs.... I call it pacee roulette!Even pace my hole
Jaysus I am really gonna have my hands full with gavlor. Let's hope Auldmanking not Runningking shows up on the 27th October :P0 -
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AuldManKing wrote: »Just to make it interesting, we're going to have a bet with each other.
Meno goes off at 5 miles for a pint - then tries to catch us.
I go off at 10 miles for a pint, and Gavlor at 15 miles.
The person who can down their pint and catch up in the shortest time wins
At all times there'll be 2 pacers and each pacee gets to do a bit of a tempo run for a couple of miles.
The more I'm typing the more interesting this is getting. Better stop.
Have you seen meno either drink or run?! That challenge is unfair on him
Seriously though, just incase people are worrying about us, I guarantee that I'll be pacing a steady race for all pacees.
I cannot however speak for my fellow pacers....0 -
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Have you seen meno either drink or run?! That challenge is unfair on him
Seriously though, just incase people are worrying about us, I guarantee that I'll be pacing a steady race for all pacees.
I cannot however speak for my fellow pacers....
Both myself and AMK have solid beermile credentials (i.e. we have both done one). You're the unknown in this scenario.
The only flaw I can see in AMK's plan is that mile 5 is in the in the phoenix park and as far as I know, there is no early house there :pac:0
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