Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

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Paully D wrote: »

I'd agree with all of that.

Have we overpaid at a fee of £12m rising to £14m? Yes, but it's not overboard IMO. It's also worth remembering that Liverpool paid £10.5m for him and are not a charity shop. I'm sure they would have been happy to keep him around as a squad player. It's a cracking deal for them too.

Our squad needs a serious injection of quality which he provides, Borini fits Poyet's system perfectly, his workrate is ridiculously good and he and his fiancee appeared to enjoy their time in the north-east. As I'm sure our Newcastle neighbours will attest to, it's not always easy to attract good players to the area. It will also give the fans a statement signing that is much needed and get the whole city buzzing.

As an example, West Brom signed Brown Ideye for £10m. He might be really good, he might completely bomb. Sunderland know exactly what they're getting from Borini. It's worth the extra bit of money for that assurance.

Lets hope he agrees personal terms now!

Paully D wrote: »

Aye, but he'll be on twice if not two and a half times the wage so you have to look beyond just the transfer fee.

Very good piece of business by Liverpool though I do agree.

I know you really like him and hope he does well for you. His work rate is brilliant and I wouldn't have minded him in our squad as you always know he'll give everything. I'll be happy if we get Remy instead though.

As Kess posted, Borini was a bit unlucky with team selection and injuries with us.

Lucas Hood

Vorm & Ben Davies to Spurs. Sigurdsson going the other way .

Dempsey

KH25

Dempsey wrote: »

Photoshop? Deal's not done is it?

Blatter

Drogba set to sign for Chelsea according to L'Equipe.

Turtwig

Oh Jesus they don't even need him.

Lopez,
Contrao, Varane, Ramos, Carvajal,
Khedira, Modric,
Kroos,
Bale, James, Ronaldo.

What a fcking team that would be!

/drools

5live

Blatter wrote: »

Drogba set to sign for Chelsea according to L'Equipe.

He will add some balance to the team.

Sorry, i just couldn't resist:-)

JPA

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Vorm & Ben Davies to Spurs. Sigurdsson going the other way .

What would Spurs need Vorm for?

Paully D

Turtwig wrote: »

Oh Jesus they don't even need him.

Lopez,
Contrao, Varane, Ramos, Carvajal,
Khedira, Modric,
Kroos,
Bale, James, Ronaldo.

What a fcking team that would be!

/drools

Defence is still very, very suspect and liable to be exposed by the better sides.

It's one thing that frustrates me a bit. Teams spending hundreds of millions on attacking options when they're already extremely well set at the positions, yet not spending top money on defenders, when they are just as important.

Rodriguez is obviously an exceptional player, but at the reported €90m they could have bought a top class CB (I like Varane and Ramos, don't get me wrong) and two top class FB's for that money.

extra gravy

JPA wrote: »

What would Spurs need Vorm for?

Was just thinking that. He'd hardly want to go there to sit on the bench. Could Lloris be off?

GavRedKing

extra gravy wrote: »

Was just thinking that. He'd hardly want to go there to sit on the bench. Could Lloris be off?

Llors only signed an extension im sure.

Skylinehead

Turtwig wrote: »

Oh Jesus they don't even need him.

Lopez,
Contrao, Varane, Ramos, Carvajal,
Khedira, Modric,
Kroos,
Bale, James, Ronaldo.

What a fcking team that would be!

/drools

James Rodriguez as a striker?

Turtwig

Buying players not actually needed seems to be a trend.

Benzema and DI Maria were more than sufficient. Kroos was an excellent acquisition. James though is totally not necessary.

Isco and Di Maria will likely have to leave now.

MagicIRL

Paully D wrote: »

Defence is still very, very suspect and liable to be exposed by the better sides.

It's one thing that frustrates me a bit. Teams spending hundreds of millions on attacking options when they're already extremely well set at the positions, yet not spending top money on defenders, when they are just as important.

Rodriguez is obviously an exceptional player, but at the reported €90m they could have bought a top class CB (I like Varane and Ramos, don't get me wrong) and two top class FB's for that money.

You don't need defenders when you plan to win every game 5-3.

Turtwig

Skylinehead wrote: »

James Rodriguez as a striker?

Number 10. Zezu and Ronaldinho.

extra gravy

GavRedKing wrote: »

Llors only signed an extension im sure.

Ya you're right, he did a few weeks ago. Strange move for Vorm, surely he'd still be good enough to be a starting keeper at a mid-table club.

Whatsisname

Dempsey wrote: »

Those are Toni Kroos' pasty german arms if ever I've seen em

Cantona's Collars

Lovren to Liverpool is done,£16 million up front rising to £20 million.

Dempsey

Khedira to Arsenal is supposedly a done deal now aswell

Rayne Wooney

Arsenal will have some team

.....Khedira Ramsey.....
Sanchez Ozil Walcott
.............Giroud...........

If they got in Cavani or Balotelli to replace Giroud they would be as strong as City and Chelsea

Marty McFly

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Arsenal will have some team

.....Khedira Ramsey.....
Sanchez Ozil Walcott
.............Giroud...........

If they got in Cavani or Balotelli to replace Giroud they would be as strong as City and Chelsea

There was more talk today of Balotelli for 15 million.

Think the story may have originated on caught offside which if true not the most reliable source to say the least.

Arsenal also been linked with Carvalho today I'd say it will be one or the other him or Khedira won't sign both.

Turtwig

Arsenal arguably have the best midfield in the premier league. Quality summer acquisitions. Especially if khedira is true. Just need one more defensive midfielder imo.

Then if they could strengthen centre back, but really you could say that about all clubs these days.

Insane money spent by Barca and Madrid.

The bubble in Football transfers could do with bursting in general, but Spain would probably give me the most pleasure.

Cantona's Collars

Arsenal have agreed a fee of €4 million for Colombia 'keeper David Ospina.

Corholio

rarnes1 wrote: »

Insane money spent by Barca and Madrid.

The bubble in Football transfers could do with bursting in general, but Spain would probably give me the most pleasure.

Only 2 clubs in Spain spend mad money though, England has 4 or 5 who do the same. The difference a lot of the time is the really top level players go to Real or Barca. They are all mad transfer fees though.

Montroseee

IMO James will flop at Madrid, possibly as bad as Kaka.

KINGVictor

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Arsenal will have some team

.....Khedira Ramsey.....
Sanchez Ozil Walcott
.............Giroud...........

If they got in Cavani or Balotelli to replace Giroud they would be as strong as City and Chelsea

I think you meant if Arsenal sign either of those players as an addition to complement Giroud's role. Giroud is an Arsenal player and is not being replaced.

Overall, so far, Arsenal's transfer activity this season has being quite impressive. It gives the Club a chance to effectively compete. I would argue that with Ozil, Ramsey, Sanchez and Walcott, Wilshire, and any other additions, the club has the most talented midfield in the EPL.

Andersonisgod

KINGVictor wrote: »

I think you meant if Arsenal sign either of those players as an addition to complement Giroud's role. Giroud is an Arsenal player and is not being replaced.

Overall, so far, Arsenal's transfer activity this season has being quite impressive. It gives the Club a chance to effectively compete. I would argue that with Ozil, Ramsey, Sanchez and Walcott, Wilshire, and any other additions, the club has the most talented midfield in the EPL.

It sounds good on paper, though I'd be absolutely confident that Matic, Fabregas, Hazard, Oscar and Willian has greater balance, variety and quality to it, I would say the same for Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, Silva, Nasri and Aguero (when he drops into the 10) or Navas.

EuropeanSon

If we added Khedira to our midfield, only City's could compare in the PL. Both would be a good bit stronger than Chelsea's IMO.

Andersonisgod

EuropeanSon wrote: »

If we added Khedira to our midfield, only City's could compare in the PL. Both would be a good bit stronger than Chelsea's IMO.

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

Quazzie

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

Player for player I'd have Arsenal's midfield over Chelseas if Arsenal get Khedira. I think you are vastly over rating Matic and Cesc has a lot to prove on his return.

Frankie Lee

Van Ginkel could well have a real breakthrough season too.

AdamD

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

Matic, Fabregas and Hazard most definitely. However Willian flatters to decieve and strikes me as no more talented than James Milner and Oscar is nowhere close to being a world class number 10.

Would probably be a toss up between the 2 midfields, both offering very different styles.

Rayne Wooney

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

Throwing Hazard and Willian in there is changing the point

Ozil, Khedira and Ramsey >>> Cesc, Matic and Oscar

Andersonisgod

Quazzie wrote: »

Player for player I'd have Arsenal's midfield over Chelseas if Arsenal get Khedira. I think you are vastly over rating Matic and Cesc has a lot to prove on his return.

I think Matic is being vastly underrated, the man is a giant in a literal and figurative sense in the midfield. I haven't a clue what Fabregas has to prove, he's a World Cup winner, a European Championship winner and, during his spell with Arsenal, was arguably the best central midfielder in the league, he's a superb footballer, that's never changed.

Andersonisgod

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Throwing Hazard and Willian in there is changing the point

Ozil, Khedira and Ramsey >>> Cesc, Matic and Oscar

The original poster mentioned Walcott and Sanchez, I responded in kind. As a result it would infact be you who is changing the point.

EuropeanSon

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

But you see, I stopped pretending your posts weren't utter nonsense a long time ago, so without responding to any of that in particular, I'm just going to accurately state that it's all overblown nonsense.

Quazzie

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I think Matic is being vastly underrated, the man is a giant in a literal and figurative sense in the midfield. I haven't a clue what Fabregas has to prove, he's a World Cup winner, a European Championship winner and, during his spell with Arsenal, was arguably the best central midfielder in the league, he's a superb footballer, that's never changed.

He hasn't been as good as his Arsenal's spell for quiet some time. Whether that is down to being played out of position or not having the faith of his manager or him dropping a level remains to be seen. He's been off the pace recently and he needs to prove his doubters wrong.

For the record I think he will and I wished Arsenal took the option to have him back, but I'm not arrogant to think that I couldn't be wrong.

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Throwing Hazard and Willian in there is changing the point

Ozil, Khedira and Ramsey >>> Cesc, Matic and Oscar

Jeez I don't know. Both are fantastic trios. I think it's closer than you are suggesting.

Chelsea perhaps even more balanced

Rayne Wooney

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The original poster mentioned Walcott and Sanchez, I responded in kind. As a result it would infact be you who is changing the point.

The second post was the one I quoted and you were quoting someone talking about the midfield.

Also Oscar is by no means a world class number 10, you can spin a tale of how he has vigorously thrilled you with his awesome Brazilian magnificence at some point in a Chelsea shirt but he is still not a world class number 10, especially when compared to the likes of Ozil, and I rate the guy and think at some point he could fulfil his potential.

If you are counting the 5 as a midfield, then it's very close from me, between Chelsea and Arsenal's potential if Khedira is added

Andersonisgod

EuropeanSon wrote: »

But you see, I stopped pretending your posts weren't utter nonsense a long time ago, so without responding to any of that in particular, I'm just going to accurately state that it's all overblown nonsense.

I would say the same about you but alas I have not got the slightest clue of your post history because I don't care about your previous posts or the opinions expressed in them. However I did take issue with the opinion which you expressed that Arsenal's midfield will be "a good bit better" than Chelsea's, frankly I think it's a bit ridiculous that you are wildly assuming that a midfield of Wilshire (a very strong contender for most overrated player in the Premier League) Ramsey (talented but with only one outstanding season under his belt) Ozil (hugely talented but tailed off dramatically last season), Sanchez (new to the league and inconsistent, to put it one way, at Barcelona) and Walcott (one I would put in the "flatters to deceive" category) will be significantly better than Chelsea's midfield was an opinion which I find to be a bit of "overblown nonsense."

Meglamonia

It's very close I couldn't call it really.

Matic and khedira there's not much between them.

Cesc is better than Ramsey.

And ozil better than Oscar.

Rayne Wooney

rarnes1 wrote: »

Jeez I don't know. Both are fantastic trios. I think it's closer than you are suggesting.

Chelsea perhaps even more balanced

Khedira is far more proven than Matic, Ozil is far more proven than Oscar. Fabregas' career beats Ramsey but over the last year I'd have Ramsey he was the best midfielder in the league until his injury

GLaDOS

Oscar's been pants since about the new year. Was shocking at the world cup, needs to get the finger out this season.

glued

Oscar and Cesc haven't had the best of seasons. Wouldn't really be dancing around to Chelsea's midfield at the minute.

Cesc in particular isn't someone I'd be banking on to perform coming into a team.

rob316

Liverpool to complete deals for lovren, remy and origi according to the times.

That will be 7 signings for liverpool and they will still have the bulk of the suarez money to spend.

Marty McFly

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I would say the same about you but alas I have not got the slightest clue of your post history because I don't care about your previous posts or the opinions expressed in them. However I did take issue with the opinion which you expressed that Arsenal's midfield will be "a good bit better" than Chelsea's, frankly I think it's a bit ridiculous that you are wildly assuming that a midfield of Wilshire (a very strong contender for most overrated player in the Premier League) Ramsey (talented but with only one outstanding season under his belt) Ozil (hugely talented but tailed off dramatically last season), Sanchez (new to the league and inconsistent, to put it one way, at Barcelona) and Walcott (one I would put in the "flatters to deceive" category) will be significantly better than Chelsea's midfield was an opinion which I find to be a bit of "overblown nonsense."

:pac: you really do talk some amount of shiite.

Andersonisgod

Marty McFly wrote: »

:pac: you really do talk some amount of shiite.

I forgot the forum small print that says that disagreeing with the opinion that the midfield of a club that has won 1 trophy (the FA Cup) in 8 years is ""a good bit better" (which sounds like quite a significant amount) than one of England's most successful clubs in the last 10 years and whose midfield is absolutely stacked with talent and winners is now considering to be "talking shiite" then I'd love to know what's considered sense these days.

Marty McFly

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I forgot the forum small print that says that disagreeing with the opinion that the midfield of a club that has won 1 trophy (the FA Cup) in 8 years is ""a good bit better" (which sounds like quite a significant amount) than one of England's most successful clubs in the last 10 years and whose midfield is absolutely stacked with talent and winners is now considering to be "talking shiite" then I'd love to know what's considered sense these days.

YAWN

Also that one trophy you try to belittle is one more than Chelsea won last season

Andersonisgod

Marty McFly wrote: »

YAWN

Also that one trophy you try to belittle is one more than Chelsea won last season

I like that we can disregard a legitimate argument with 4 simple letters written with cap lock on, engaging stuff.

Jolly good, however you are going to have to excuse me if that one FA Cup final triumph over Hull (yes I did have to Google that) isn't enough to convince me that Wilshire and Ramsey are significantly better than Cesc Fabregas and Nemanja Matic.