Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Christy Browne

CSF wrote: »

It's not though, it lacks balance very badly

If you put De Jong in for Carrick it solidifies it more I think

CSF

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Balotelli joins Liverpool.

Can't wait to see how that goes

CSF

Christy Browne wrote: »

If you put De Jong in for Carrick it solidifies it more I think

Not enough. You can't have a team with just one midfielder who has the battle. If Herrera was Vidal, maybe, but he's Herrera and would do better with De Jong behind him and a Vidal beside him, not a Di Maria

Fescue

CSF wrote: »

Not enough. You can't have a team with just one midfielder who has the battle. If Herrera was Vidal, maybe, but he's Herrera and would do better with De Jong behind him and a Vidal beside him, not a Di Maria

What's Di Maria like at the defensive stuff?

Raif Severance

Fescue wrote: »

What's Di Maria like at the defensive stuff?

He tracks back. That's one thing you can Rely on Di Maria.

His Workrate, has always been Excellent.

MisterAnarchy

Fescue wrote: »

What's Di Maria like at the defensive stuff?

He is good ,has a good engine

CSF

Fescue wrote: »

What's Di Maria like at the defensive stuff?

It's not his strong point. Certainly not as a CM anyway. It's not Herrera's either. Both are better at the attacking side of the game than the defensive.

CSF

Raif Severance wrote: »

He tracks back. That's one thing you can Rely on Di Maria.

His Workrate, has always been Excellent.

For a wide midfielder, there's completely different parameters for a CM particularly in England.

Fescue

CSF wrote: »

For a wide midfielder, there's completely different parameters for a CM particularly in England.

I think he could work in a 3 man midfield, as long as the other two are more disciplined.

Surely this has to be the position he is earmarked for?

Otherwise it's a signing just for the sake of it, without any real thought.

CSF

Fescue wrote: »

I think he could work in a 3 man midfield, as long as the other two are more disciplined.

Surely this has to be the position he is earmarked for?

Otherwise it's a signing just for the sake of it, without any real thought.

He could work as part of a 3 man midfield, possibly.

But United don't even have one of those 2 men needed to accommodate him, never mind the 2.

Raif Severance

CSF wrote: »

For a wide midfielder, there's completely different parameters for a CM particularly in England.

Yup, it will certainly be a Different Beast here in the Prem. But at least you know Di Maria, will not Shirk on his Duties.

Unlike some of the Midfielders that United put on show, Yesterday. Those Guys were not only Dreadful, but they also seem to be Devoid of any Sense of Urgency nor Responsibility. They were just doing their Going-through-the-Motions Routine.

CSF

Raif Severance wrote: »

Yup, it will certainly be a Different Beast here in the Prem. But at least you know Di Maria, will not Shirk on his Duties.

Unlike some of the Midfielders that United put on show, Yesterday. Those Guys were not only Dreadful, but they also seem to be Devoid of any Sense of Urgency nor Responsibility. They were just doing their Going-through-the-Motions Routine.

But Di Maria isn't a battling midfielder, those aren't his qualities. He is an attacking midfielder with a good workrate or a CM with a bad one, relatively speaking. He's equipped to be the luxury midfielder in a 3 or an attacking midfielder.

United can't afford that luxury in their 3, because they don't have the 2. Herrera is already a bit of a luxury (has played as a number 10 very frequently) with more steel needed to come in beside him.

Aenaes

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's hardly lit the league up so far

It doesn't matter.

That's like saying Liverpool were brilliant to deceive Chelsea over the Torres transfer but they didn't. Chelsea bought one of Liverpool's best players at the time and what he has or hasn't achieved since then doesn't change that fact.

Ozil was top-joint with assists, had more key-passes per game than anyone that season (you could argue what are key passes but whatever) and was one of their best performers. Just because Real Madrid decide certain players aren't part of their plans doesn't mean those players aren't good enough.

It's Real Madrid, they're like comic book villains with their showmanship and theatrics but you can't really pin-point their motives/reasons.

CSF

Aenaes wrote: »

It doesn't matter.

That's like saying Liverpool were brilliant to deceive Chelsea over the Torres transfer but they didn't. Chelsea bought one of Liverpool's best players at the time and what he has or hasn't achieved since then doesn't change that fact.

Ozil was top-joint with assists, had more key-passes than anyone that season (you could argue what are key passes but whatever) and was one of their best performers. Just because Real Madrid decide certain players aren't part of their plans doesn't mean those players aren't good enough.

It's Real Madrid, they're like comic book villains with their showmanship and theatrics but you can't really pin-point their motives/reasons.

Find that difficult to agree with. It's no coincidence that very few of these players that Real discard end up better than their replacements.

I mean of course it's a luxury to be able to replace a good player with a better player, but they've generally done it very well.

Raif Severance

CSF wrote: »

But Di Maria isn't a battling midfielder, those aren't his qualities. He is an attacking midfielder with a good workrate or a CM with a bad one, relatively speaking. He's equipped to be the luxury midfielder in a 3 or an attacking midfielder.

United can't afford that luxury in their 3, because they don't have the 2. Herrera is already a bit of a luxury (has played as a number 10 very frequently) with more steel needed to come in beside him.

He may not be a Battling Midfielder as you say, but he'll certainly help out in Defense.

Di Maria is of the same Type as Lallana. Though both plays either as AM or Wide, both seems to always be there to help when their Team is on the Backfoot.

A Luxury Midfielder for me is someone like Spurs' Eriksen or United's Mata.

I'm with Rarnes on this one, and I think Mata will be the one being left out, if Di Maria comes in.

CSF

Raif Severance wrote: »

He may not be a Battling Midfielder as you say, but he'll certainly help out in Defense.

Di Maria is of the same Type as Lallana. Though both plays either as AM or Wide, both seems to always be there to help when their Team is on the Backfoot.

A Luxury Midfielder for me is someone like Spurs' Eriksen or United's Mata.

I'm with Rarnes on this one, and I think Mata will be the one being left out, if Di Maria comes in.

Yeah I agree with all of that, but with some of the players in United's team, why is Mata the one they're spending so much money to replace?

Raif Severance

CSF wrote: »

Yeah I agree with all of that, but with some of the players in United's team, why is Mata the one they're spending so much money to replace?

That's the Million Dollar Question that only Van Gaal and/or Woodward can Answer.

But if I have to guess, I think it's Opportunity Cost. There is a World Class Talent available, and they have the Money. It could be as Simple as that.

Maybe it'll work out for them. And then again, maybe not. As a Liverpool Fan, of course I'm going to hope for the latter.

But as a Fan of Di Maria, it'll be nice to see him in the Prem, even if he ends up playing for Man U.

CSF

Raif Severance wrote: »

That's the Million Dollar Question that only Van Gaal and/or Woodward can Answer.

But if I have to guess, I think it's Opportunity Cost. There is a World Class Talent available, and they have the Money. It could be as Simple as that.

Maybe it'll work out for them. And then again, maybe not. As a Liverpool Fan, of course I'm going to hope for the latter.

But as a Fan of Di Maria, it'll be nice to see him in the Prem, even if he ends up playing for Man U.

If United had the money to sign players they don't need they wouldn't be in their current predicament. They have money to sign players but they need to be prudent in doing so, and in my opinion they're not being. They're still terrible defensively and paper thin in midfield.

Blatter

Van Gaal already complained about the squad imbalances and having too many number 10s. He's hardly going to spend £60m on somebody else to play him in that position.

He's already name dropped Di Maria as a top level winger that the squad could do with.

He's been talking as if he'll be sticking with 3-5-2 but this could change that. It'll be interesting to see what his plans are.

GLaDOS

Speaking of United being over stocked in attacking midfield, has Kagawa been linked with anyone? Doesn't seem to be getting a look in at the moment, will be cover for Mata at best.

marklazarcovic

Di maria is an excellent player,one that most teams would love to have,paying over the odds for him BUT they are signing him,the fee wont matter if he is a success..we all know utd need other players for different positions so why all the fannying about debating his worth,he will be worth most of it if he is a success,thats what counts,however if utd are outside top 4 again this year and more to the point,not playing like they are gonna get back anytime soon,

I think then the fee becomes a big issue,as top dollar should gurantee success

Lord TSC

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Speaking of United being over stocked in attacking midfield, has Kagawa been linked with anyone? Doesn't seem to be getting a look in at the moment, will be cover for Mata at best.

Be surprised if he lasts the week sadly. Am wondering if we'll see a spat of exits now that DiMaria is coming in, and talk of Blind and a CM. Really is some people who can go and not affect us as things stand...

Quazzie

'lacks balance' seems to be the go to buzzword of the week for people who want to contradict someone but don't know enough to explain why.

Christy Browne

Quazzie wrote: »

'lacks balance' seems to be the go to buzzword of the week for people who want to contradict someone but don't know enough to explain why.

All the players just go out on the pitch on start falling over each other because the line up "lacks balance"

tupac_healy

Raif Severance wrote: »

He may not be a Battling Midfielder as you say, but he'll certainly help out in Defense.

Di Maria is of the same Type as Lallana. Though both plays either as AM or Wide, both seems to always be there to help when their Team is on the Backfoot.

A Luxury Midfielder for me is someone like Spurs' Eriksen or United's Mata.

I'm with Rarnes on this one, and I think Mata will be the one being left out, if Di Maria comes in.

Got as far as Lallana and just gave up.....


Don't watch much football mate do ya?????

x43r0

Quazzie wrote: »

'lacks balance' seems to be the go to buzzword of the week for people who want to contradict someone but don't know enough to explain why.

Its two words actually :pac:

DenMan

Giroud may be out for 3 months now! Arsenal need a new striker!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11055417/Arsenal-fear-Olivier-Giroud-may-be-out-for-three-months-forcing-Arsene-Wenger-back-into-the-transfer-market.html

Gavlor

Samuel Eto'o due to have a medical at everton!

Would be a great signing even if they only get a season out of him

Andersonisgod

So much being written about Di Maria, I will simply add that it is telling that Man Utd are paying such a hefty price for a player that is essentially 3rd fiddle to Ronaldo and Bale (4th if you count James). He's a hugely talented player but at no stage has he ever been the star around which Real Madrid or Argentina have been built and for the kind of money Man Utd are paying for him you would imagine he should be the main man for either his current club or country. As I said before, I'm not at all convinced he is better than Sanchez, yet according to his fee he is, and significantly so.

Talib Fiasco

United will ruin him anyway. Disaster waiting to happen.

batistuta9

west brom signed silvestre varela on a season loan, their 10th signing.
Albion have also signed Brown Ideye, Sebastien Pocognoli, Jason Davidson, Joleon Lescott, Georgios Samaras, Cristian Gamboa, Chris Baird, Craig Gardner and Andre Wisdom.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9438599/transfer-news-west-brom-sign-porto-winger-silvestre-varela-on-loan

Chancer3001

Andersonisgod wrote: »

So much being written about Di Maria, I will simply add that it is telling that Man Utd are paying such a hefty price for a player that is essentially 3rd fiddle to Ronaldo and Bale (4th if you count James). He's a hugely talented player but at no stage has he ever been the star around which Real Madrid or Argentina have been built and for the kind of money Man Utd are paying for him you would imagine he should be the main man for either his current club or country. As I said before, I'm not at all convinced he is better than Sanchez, yet according to his fee he is, and significantly so.

Since di Maria moved to Spain only messi has more assists than him in the entire league. That would indeed make him a main man.

Also, he is going to play with mata. He will do fletchers job, just do it properly. Box to box with talent.

He's pretty similar to Ramires , but better.ramires sometimes gets played on the wing too

Talib Fiasco

Di Maria a similar player to Ramires? B*tch please...

Aenaes

Comparing Di Maria with Sanchez according to their transfer fees is seriously flawed. Barcelona let Sanchez go for a smaller sum than they could have gotten and Real Madrid are hardballing Manchester United to a certain extent.

batistuta9

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Di Maria a similar player to Ramires? B*tch please...

can't beat the guy writing Hames though :pac:

Unreal downplaying of di maria. It's cringy to the Max

KERSPLAT!

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Unreal downplaying of di maria. It's cringy to the Max

Meh, United fans bigging him up, rival fans playing him down

kevinroche3333

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Meh, United fans bigging him up, rival fans playing him down

Top quality player for sure that all teams would like to have, but 60million pounds?! Nobody can convince me its value for money

Dempsey

This argument happened with ozil last season. Ozil hasnt set the heather on fire in the EPL and I think the same will happen Di Maria. He will be bullied out of matches

Chancer3001

Similar player to Ramires, BUT BETTER is what i wrote.

Some peoples indignation blinding them clearly.

Crann na Beatha

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Talib Fiasco

Di Maria is an outstanding player and nobody with a brain is denying that but some United fans are in fantasy mode thinking the lad is going to solve their problems alone. He won't have a chance to display his brilliance with the state of the team he has to play in at present. Signing Vidal which is a big pipe dream will help him out but he's in for a rough winter as it stands.

Christy Browne

The downplaying of Di Maria really is hilarious

Smithwicks Man

Phoenix wrote: »

Torres to AC Milan rumours

Far too many for my liking

Seems to be a case of Milan want Torres on loan with Chelsea paying some of his wages (at least half). Chelsea would rather sell outright but may agree to a loan. Torres doesn't want a loan and only wants to go on a permanent transfer.

Can't see Milan signing him on a permanent transfer as his wages are far too high.

Talib Fiasco

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Similar player to Ramires, BUT BETTER is what i wrote.

Some peoples indignation blinding them clearly.

Yeah but they aren't similar players, quite the opposite actually. Vidal and Ramires are similar players. Di Maria is a winger who was f*cked into center mid due to being second fiddle to Bale and Ronaldo on the wings. He's a natural world class winger who can play at center mid, Ramires would be a very average winger.

Utopia Parkway

Dempsey wrote: »

This argument happened with ozil last season. Ozil hasnt set the heather on fire in the EPL and I think the same will happen Di Maria. He will be bullied out of matches

Ozil had even more assists than Di Maria in La Liga and he's hardly set the world alright at Arsenal. Not yet anyway.

That doesn't mean Di Maria will or won't succeed as every player is different. Some adapt and some never do.

Frankie Lee

batistuta9 wrote: »

west brom signed silvestre varela on a season loan, their 10th signing.
Albion have also signed Brown Ideye, Sebastien Pocognoli, Jason Davidson, Joleon Lescott, Georgios Samaras, Cristian Gamboa, Chris Baird, Craig Gardner and Andre Wisdom.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9438599/transfer-news-west-brom-sign-porto-winger-silvestre-varela-on-loan

Not a bad signing for them. He was class a few years back.

Talib Fiasco

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Unreal downplaying of di maria. It's cringy to the Max

In all bloody fairness downplaying a player happens every day on this forum, happening as we speak in the match thread tonight... It's a natural thing to do whether it be honest opinion, educated guess or slight jealousy which is a different topic altogether...point being it's always going to happen.

Now tracking an aeroplane containing a future player and taking pride on being the one to update people on it's location and what have you is what I'd deem 'cringy to the max'.

But na as you were.

Andersonisgod

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Since di Maria moved to Spain only messi has more assists than him in the entire league. That would indeed make him a main man.

Also, he is going to play with mata. He will do fletchers job, just do it properly. Box to box with talent.

He's pretty similar to Ramires , but better.ramires sometimes gets played on the wing too

There's a huge difference between being "a main man" and the main man, I'd go as far as to say he's never risen above third fiddle at Real Madrid.

Also Barcelona got a pretty accurate amount in today's market for the quality of Sanchez. Real Madrid are getting above and beyond from, s frankly desperate, Man Utd side.

Andersonisgod

Christy Browne wrote: »

The downplaying of Di Maria really is hilarious

I'm not seeing how it is downplaying? Has he ever received higher billing than Ronaldo? No. Has he ever received higher billing than Bale? No. For much of his time at Madrid he was overshadowed by Ozil, now James has basically taken his place in the squad. You can say "it's unfair to compare him to these players" yet his price puts him directly in the same bracket as those players and the likes of Suarez and Neymar.