Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

CSF

Andersonisgod wrote: »

He played a significant portion of his Atletico career playing alongside Costa, who was a magnificent foil for the Columbian.

Thought Costa was fairly poor until Falcao left myself.

SherlockWatson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sure but Utd already have a weak jointed player in Van Persie why sign another with such history?. You may find your buttocks clenching when Shawcross goes in.

So you wouldn't have taken Falcao instead of Lambert and Balotelli(Considering Balotelli is the definition of unwanted and was offered to everyone at the start of the window and nobody wanted him, not even Arsenal who need strikers) also factoring in that loaning Falcao for the year is cheaper than Balotelli and Lambert combined.

K-9

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I'll take Di Maria over Markovic and Lallana, and I'd take loaning Falcao over Balotelli and Lambert.

Who wouldn't?

What's the point in comparing Falcao to Lambert, 3rd/4th choice striker at Liverpool, bought for £4 Million? Of all the stupid comparisons made on Twitter and social media sites................

SherlockWatson

K-9 wrote: »

Who wouldn't?

What's the point in comparing Falcao to Lambert, 3rd/4th choice striker at Liverpool, bought for £4 Million? Of all the stupid comparisons made on Twitter and social media sites................

The word AND has a massive impact on that sentence, learn to read before insulting people

extra gravy

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Di Maria > Sanchez and its not even that close.

Must bookmark this and come back to it next May after Sanchez outperforms Di Maria like he did in La Liga last season and at the World Cup.

Harry Palmr

SherlockWatson wrote: »

So you wouldn't have taken Falcao instead of Lambert and Balotelli(Considering Balotelli is the definition of unwanted and was offered to everyone at the start of the window and nobody wanted him, not even Arsenal who need strikers) also factoring in that loaning Falcao for the year is cheaper than Balotelli and Lambert combined.

I appreciate you won't believe me but a 24 year old Balotelli costing 16m on about 130k a week is a much better bet than a nearly 29 year old 350k a week loanee in my estimation.

SherlockWatson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I appreciate you won't believe me but a 24 year old Balotelli costing 16m on about 130k a week is a much better bet than a nearly 29 year old 350k a week loanee in my estimation.

You're dodging the question, would you have taken Falcao instead of balotelli AND(I'll make it bigger for you K-9) Lambert?


Shur Balotelli is on 200K a week.(If were just making up wage figures like you are for Falcao)

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

Who wouldn't?

What's the point in comparing Falcao to Lambert, 3rd/4th choice striker at Liverpool, bought for £4 Million? Of all the stupid comparisons made on Twitter and social media sites................

Falcao could be third choice at United for all we know and he only cost £6m if Lambert cost £4m.

PhlegmyMoses

rarnes1 wrote: »

Utd are gambling on top 4 through sheer spending.

If they don't get it, it's a bit of financial disaster.

No, Woodward has done an incredible job to minimise financial impact. Posted this elsewhere, feel free to source your own wage numbers if you think you can get more accurate versions. Transfer fees were around 160m less whatever was sold, which wasn't much, maybe 30m.

Vidic, Evra, Rio ~ 350k.
Kagawa ~ 80k
Welbeck ~ 80k
Hernandez ~ 90k
Giggs ~ 70K
Zaha ~ 50k
Bebe ~ 30k
Buttner ~ 30k
Macheda ~ 20k


So around 700-800k (those figures are taken from the best sources I could find so it's why I'm giving 100k differential) wiped off the weekly wage bill. I think Woodward and co have done a good job here to offset the incoming transfers. If Falcao is on 350k, Di Maria 250k, and Shaw 120k, that still means United's wage bill hasn't really grown much. Maybe by 150k-200k p/w or so, which isn't awful.

gandalf

The big question is, what happens if Falcao gets a knock on that knee?

Andersonisgod

CSF wrote: »

Thought Costa was fairly poor until Falcao left myself.

What? His role was to give Falcao freedom, to take all the attention away from Falcao to allow him to thrive, to occupy defenders. I suspect Falcao would be the first to tell you how good Costa was in that role. Of course Falcao moved on, Costa became the main man, the rest is history.

K-9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Falcao could be third choice at United for all we know and he only cost £6m if Lambert cost £4m.

But RVP is out so that's part of the reasoning of buying him. And those prices obviously aren't in anyway comparable!

greendom

Andersonisgod wrote: »

What? His role was to give Falcao freedom, to take all the attention away from Falcao to allow him to thrive, to occupy defenders. I suspect Falcao would be the first to tell you how good Costa was in that role. Of course Falcao moved on, Costa became the main man, the rest is history.

The rest is history ? Slightly hyperbolic don't you think

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

But RVP is out so that's part of the reasoning of buying him. And those prices obviously aren't in anyway comparable!

Is RvP out? You know more than me so...

x43r0

Gavlor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jav_moreno_/status/506706464220909568

Andersonisgod

greendom wrote: »

The rest is history ? Slightly hyperbolic don't you think

Not really. He powered Atletico to a La Liga title, breaking the Barcelona/Real Madrid duopoly in dramatic fashion and he was the main man in Atletico's run to the Champions League final. A season that will go down in history among the best Atletico have had.

SherlockWatson

K-9 wrote: »

But RVP is out so that's part of the reasoning of buying him. And those prices obviously aren't in anyway comparable!

Of course the prices are comparable.

gandalf

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Is RvP out? You know more than me so...

He allegedly needs knee surgery.

http://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/2014/9/1/6092501/robin-van-persie-to-undergo-knee-surgery-reports

K-9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Is RvP out? You know more than me so...

According to a poster on here he was!

K-9

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Of course the prices are comparable.

Okay, go on, £6 Million for Falcao to £4 Million for Lambert, compare them.

Harry Palmr

SherlockWatson wrote: »

You're dodging the question, would you have taken Falcao instead of balotelli AND(I'll make it bigger for you K-9) Lambert?


Shur Balotelli is on 200K a week.(If were just making up wage figures like you are for Falcao)

No I wouldn't. And I'm not making up wages. Falcao is being paid 346k a week and that's from the pro-Utd hack Mark Ogden so I trust him! Balo took a wage cut to join Liverpool.

SherlockWatson

K-9 wrote: »

According to a poster on here he was!

It seems obvious you have reading and comprehension problems so don't worry, it's not your fault

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

According to a poster on here he was!

And you use posters on here to back up your points?

Darkglasses

klose wrote: »

Surprised city let negredo go, ageuro and jovetic are fond of the treatment table leaving only dzecko as their only striker who you would rely on being fit for the rest of the season

Not as surprised as me! Puts a bit of a sour note on our transfer window for me. It's almost certain that one of Aguero or Jovetic will be out for a month if they have to play every week til January. In that case we'll start having some academy players on the bench like Iheanacho or Pozo. Not entirely a bad thing but I really think you need 4 strikers if you're competing in all 4 competitions.

SherlockWatson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No I wouldn't. And I'm not making up wages. Falcao is being paid 346k a week and that's from the pro-Utd hack Mark Ogden so I trust him! Balo took a wage cut to join Liverpool.

You wouldn't take Falcao over Balotelli and Lambert?

Ok so, I'm done here, I'll leave ye pool fans obsessing as usual, enjoy

RayCun

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No I wouldn't. And I'm not making up wages. Falcao is being paid 346k a week and that's from the pro-Utd hack Mark Ogden so I trust him! Balo took a wage cut to join Liverpool.

With the striker’s salary of £190,000 a week being paid by United the agreement was set to cost the club at least £16m...As Falcao’s salary is tax-free at Monaco and United denied they were matching his net take-home of £10m a year,

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/02/radamel-falcao-joins-manchester-united-loan

and Ogden has changed his tune from last night
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11069084/Radamel-Falcao-completes-loan-move-to-Manchester-United-in-transfer-worth-up-to-20-million-for-one-season.html

it is understood that he will exceed club captain Wayne Rooney as Old Trafford’s top earner with a wage in the region of £265,000-a-week.

so about 13m - if United pay his salary for all 12 months

PhlegmyMoses

gandalf wrote: »

The big question is, what happens if Falcao gets a knock on that knee?

Jesus ****ing Christ.

And we could all die today and all. Some miserable sods in here today.

TheCitizen

What's the story with all the loan deals, some of them involving big clubs, rivals in the same competitions, loaning to each other?

Ed Winchester

TheCitizen wrote: »

What's the story with all the loan deals, some of them involving big clubs, rivals in the same competitions, loaning to each other?

Loophole in FFP

K-9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

And you use posters on here to back up your points?

Hmmmmm, not really. If he's not injured, grand, no big deal!

Harry Palmr

RayCun wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/02/radamel-falcao-joins-manchester-united-loan

Well someone is right and someone is wrong, or maybe both are wrong It usually takes until the next set of financials is published to see what players really cost.

edit just seen your update.

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

No, Woodward has done an incredible job to minimise financial impact. Posted this elsewhere, feel free to source your own wage numbers if you think you can get more accurate versions. Transfer fees were around 160m less whatever was sold, which wasn't much, maybe 30m.

Vidic, Evra, Rio ~ 350k.
Kagawa ~ 80k
Welbeck ~ 80k
Hernandez ~ 90k
Giggs ~ 70K
Zaha ~ 50k
Bebe ~ 30k
Buttner ~ 30k
Macheda ~ 20k


So around 700-800k (those figures are taken from the best sources I could find so it's why I'm giving 100k differential) wiped off the weekly wage bill. I think Woodward and co have done a good job here to offset the incoming transfers. If Falcao is on 350k, Di Maria 250k, and Shaw 120k, that still means United's wage bill hasn't really grown much. Maybe by 150k-200k p/w or so, which isn't awful.

If Utd get top 4 this season it shouldn't be a problem. However failure to do so and the sponsorship cash will fall I'd imagine?

K-9

K-9 wrote: »

Okay, go on, £6 Million for Falcao to £4 Million for Lambert, compare them.

SherlockWatson wrote: »

It seems obvious you have reading and comprehension problems so don't worry, it's not your fault

SherlockWatson wrote: »

You wouldn't take Falcao over Balotelli and Lambert?

Ok so, I'm done here, I'll leave ye pool fans obsessing as usual, enjoy

Ah darn, I was waiting for the comparison from the mighty one.

Knock knock

Pretty funny comparing Lambert to Falcao alright!

3rd choice player v one of the best strikers in the world.

The logic of Facebookers eh

Harry Palmr

rarnes1 wrote: »

Knock knock

(I'll bite)

Whos' there?

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

(I'll bite)

Whos' there?

Falcao's knees.


/coat

Agent Coulson

Nike this season and Adidas from next will love the new Galactico United with these transfers.

PhlegmyMoses

rarnes1 wrote: »

If Utd get top 4 this season it shouldn't be a problem. However failure to do so and the sponsorship cash will fall I'd imagine?

That's not the point you made. The inference was that this spending coupled with not getting Top 4 would be a disaster. I don't think the spend from a wage perspective is obscene, given what they have wiped off it.

The Adidas deal, if the media is to believed, has some penalties for not getting into the CL, but it would still be the biggest deal in football if they are invoked.

I don't think we'll get Top 4 this year, but it won't be a disaster financially. If we don't get it we probably won't see another summer like this next year, though.

SherlockWatson

K-9 wrote: »

Ah darn, I was waiting for the comparison from the mighty one.

I decided I couldn't be arsed dealing with you, as your intentions were clear when you came in spouting nonsense and insults, and decided not to respond when pointed out you had assumed incorrectly.


And that other chap thinks Balotelli is a better striker than Falcao apparently so he's not worth my time.

Enjoy the day.

SherlockWatson

rarnes1 wrote: »

Pretty funny comparing Lambert to Falcao alright!

3rd choice player v one of the best strikers in the world.

The logic of Facebookers eh

Who did that?

Do all you Liverpool fans have problems reading?


The word "AND" isn't exactly a complex one.

RayCun

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

The Adidas deal, if the media is to believed, has some penalties for not getting into the CL, but it would still be the biggest deal in football if they are invoked.

If United fail to reach the CL in two successive years, from when the Adidas deal starts (so even if United don't reach the CL this year, it has no impact on the deal). And the deal after the penalty would be, as you say, still larger than any other club's deal.

greendom

Can we just rename every thread Man U vs Liverpool ?

PhlegmyMoses

greendom wrote: »

Can we just rename every thread Man U vs Liverpool ?

Tbf, United were the biggest movers in England yesterday. Makes sense they'd be getting discussed in here

Agent Coulson

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Who did that?

Do all you Liverpool fans have problems reading?


The word "AND" isn't exactly a complex one.

I have know problem reading at all!

But I do mind underhanded digs thrown like that.

K-9

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I decided I couldn't be arsed dealing with you, as your intentions were clear when you came in spouting nonsense and insults, and decided not to respond when pointed out you had assumed incorrectly.


And that other chap thinks Balotelli is a better striker than Falcao apparently so he's not worth my time.

Enjoy the day.

I don't reply to every post replying to me, often there's no point. Saying comparing Falcao to Lambert is a stupid comparison isn't an insult, it's just stating the obvious, it's stupid logic, something I'm not immune from at times!

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Who did that?

Do all you Liverpool fans have problems reading?


The word "AND" isn't exactly a complex one.

Right, everybody loves a game of semantics. You'd take Falcao over Balotelli and Lambert.

Starting to seem like you don't want to do the comparison for some strange reason!

greendom

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Tbf, United were the biggest movers in England yesterday. Makes sense they'd be getting discussed in here

Sure, no surprise we end up discussing who has the biggest dicks in the North West of England though

PhlegmyMoses

greendom wrote: »

Sure, no surprise we end up discussing who has the biggest dicks in the North West of England though

It's clearly Tranmere

Darkglasses

Everybody drop the digs now. Cards will follow. Keep the discussion civil and on-topic, or don't post at all.

SherlockWatson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I have know problem reading at all!

But I do mind underhanded digs thrown like that.

Well it seems like they have problems.reading, because three liverpool fans have been misreading and misquoting what I've been saying.