Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Rayne Wooney

Brilliant thread would read again

Falcao, Di Maria and Mata lucky they didn't end up in the football pound, waiting for someone to take them home

Not as happy with United's transfer dealings as I would be if they signed a top CM, but we'll see what LVG can do

Agent Coulson

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Well it seems like they have problems.reading, because three liverpool fans have been misreading and misquoting what I've been saying.

Well then quote and name "Them" don't tar every single fan with the same brush if you aren't happy with what some fans say or if some fans don't agree with you!

Sanity_Saviour

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I appreciate you won't believe me but a 24 year old Balotelli costing 16m on about 130k a week is a much better bet than a nearly 29 year old 350k a week loanee in my estimation.

I seriously hope you're not trying to say Balotelli is a better player than Falcao

It's comical what people write sometimes

Harry Palmr

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

I seriously hope you're not trying to say Balotelli is a better player than Falcao

It's comical what people write sometimes

No I didn't say that as you spotted. On balance I'd prefer a player who's robust to one who's a bit iffy. Bit like van Persie - very talented but very glass.

Sanity_Saviour

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You can believe as you want, Utd have got players no one else wanted at huge expense (and Falcao is one knock from another knee op). I'm happy with the LFC summer as I posted on the thread about the transfer window 8/10 for me.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057281910

You know you're clutching at straws when you pull out the 'nobody wanted one of the best players in the world" card.

Which clubs did you survey to gauge who wanted to buy him?

Harry Palmr

Sanity_Saviour wrote: »

You know you're clutching at straws when you pull out the 'nobody wanted one of the best players in the world" card.

Which clubs did you survey to gauge who wanted to buy him?

I already when through that, as you will know if you found that post.

By the way opinions can differ, I think Utd have spent poorly for the outlay, you obviously think otherwise.

Will I Amnt

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I already when through that, as you will know if you found that post.

Did you not think he was going to City yesterday? Did they not want him?

x43r0

We'll likely never know for sure why he didn't end up at RM or MC but my guess would be that they weighed up his goalscoring potential vs his massive wages and injury record and decided it was too risky for the cost involved

Sanity_Saviour

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No I didn't say that as you spotted. On balance I'd prefer a player who's robust to one who's a bit iffy. Bit like van Persie - very talented but very glass.

Haha Balotelli is probably the least mentally robust player in England. And I wouldn't call one of the best strikers in the world who's had one major injury iffy :pac:

I suppose a player who's won the golden boot twice is probably worth the risk.

Lucas Hood

Not been able to afford a player doesn't equal not wanting them.

Harry Palmr

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Did you not think he was going to City yesterday? Did they not want him?

When they indicated Negredo would be moved on it looked like City was the most likely port of call but clearly Txiki Begiristain (he and Monaco talked at the CL draw on Thursday) ultimately couldn't make it work/decided to pass.

Looks like they will "go big" next summer with the money from Negredo and FFP pressure lifted.

Sanity_Saviour

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I already when through that, as you will know if you found that post.

By the way opinions can differ, I think Utd have spent poorly for the outlay, you obviously think otherwise.

Haha telling me the inside scoop on who clubs were or weren't interested in isn't an opinion mate its talking nonsense!

Will I Amnt

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When they indicated Negredo would be moved on it looked like City was the most likely port of call but clearly Txiki Begiristain (he and Monaco talked at the CL draw on Thursday) ultimately couldn't make it work/decided to pass.

Looks like they will "go big" next summer with the money from Negredo and FFP pressure lifted.

That doesn't mean they didn't want him.

Sanity_Saviour

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When they indicated Negredo would be moved on it looked like City was the most likely port of call but clearly Txiki Begiristain (he and Monaco talked at the CL draw on Thursday) ultimately couldn't make it work/decided to pass.

Looks like they will "go big" next summer with the money from Negredo and FFP pressure lifted.

Why would they try make it work if they weren't interested?

Ulysses Gaze

gandalf wrote: »

The big question is, what happens if Falcao gets a knock on that knee?

The likes of Shearer and Del Piero ruptured ACLs and continued to play at World Class levels. Shearer in the EPL where he was jumping up and down winning headers regularly.

Just because someone does their ACL, does not mean they are prone to another knee injury.

Could you not also say, what happens if Diego Costa ruptures an ACL...Or Aguero or Sturridge etc....

Harry Palmr

Will I Amnt wrote: »

That doesn't mean they didn't want him.

Of course, I said that above. Either a club takes a deep breath and jumps in or they don't. Given that Falcao was willing to play for a non CL "project club" like Monaco one imagines he'd have been okay with City. But mainly I think he likes the money.

Panthro

Jaysus, Some amount a micky swinging going on in here!:D

Hulk Hands

rarnes1 wrote: »

If Utd get top 4 this season it shouldn't be a problem. However failure to do so and the sponsorship cash will fall I'd imagine?

You'd have thought the same last season, but then Adidas and a few others came along

Will I Amnt

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Of course, I said that above. Either a club takes a deep breath and jumps in or they don't. Given that Falcao was willing to play for a non CL "project club" like Monaco one imagines he'd have been okay with City. But mainly I think he likes the money.

That's a far cry from "unwanted"

Lucas Hood

Did Monaco own 100% of Falcao? He got a lot of criticism for joining them last season but I doubt he had much say in the deal with the complicated third party ownership deal.

Will I Amnt

Panthro wrote: »

Jaysus, Some amount a micky swinging going on in here!:D

Not really. It's funny how mediocre Falcao has gotten since yesterday though.

Will I Amnt

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Not really. It's funny how mediocre Falcao has gotten since yesterday though.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Oranage2

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

smileyj1987

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Not really. It's funny how mediocre Falcao has gotten since yesterday though.

Football fans are like that . They want to believe they have the best striker or players in the league . Arsenal fans will tell you Sanchez is a better player . Chelsea fans will say Diego Costa is better . Liverpool fans will say Sturrigde or Ballotelli is better and Manchester city fans will say aguero , dzeko or jovetic is better . It's just simple tribalism is all .

Ulysses Gaze

Oranage2 wrote: »

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

Was that not Eto'o? I thought that was Mourinho just pulling the piss...

Harry Palmr

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Did Monaco own 100% of Falcao? He got a lot of criticism for joining them last season but I doubt he had much say in the deal with the complicated third party ownership deal.

http://www.therichest.com/sports/soccer-sports/selling-your-soul-radamel-falcao-controlled-by-third-party-ownership/

In 2009, Radamel Falcao left South America to play for Portuguese team Porto FC in a deal brokered by private firm Doyen Sports Investments, who purchased 55% of his economic rights by financing a large chunk of his transfer fee to Porto. Doyen operates by purchasing portions of registration and economic rights of individual players. After Falcao gained exposure to European audiences from his time at Porto, Doyen decided it was time for the next step. Atlético Madrid were in need of a clinical striker, but had debts hovering around €500 million ($684 million USD). In august of 2011, Doyen stepped in and agreed to finance 55% of Falcao’s €40 million transfer fee in exchange for 55% of his registration rights, meaning Atlético only had to pay Porto €18 million.

As third part ownership is illegal in England either he is now free of it (though not sure how) or it's not an issue for loans, but will become an issue next summer if Utd want to buy him.

Agent Coulson

Oranage2 wrote: »

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

AS Monaco striker Radamel Falcao has ended recent speculation about his real age, after releasing his birth certificate that proves he is 27-years-old.

From a while back
http://www.givemesport.com/362932-falcaos-real-age-confirmed-after-release-of-birth-certificate

Harry Palmr

Oranage2 wrote: »

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

He's officially 29 next month so makes no odds if he really is 30!

Benzino

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here's a question - why did Falcao end up at a side not playing Champions League football?

Once it became obvious Monaco were looking to take him off the wage bill at the very least, Real Madrid looked like the most obvious (and nuts) destination followed by PSG (if they shifted a couple). Then Liverpool made enquiries and were rebuffed by the player (though I really doubt LFC would make a rod for their backs with his 350k a week loan), and City entered the fray. Negredo is sold and then he pops up at Utd a team not playing CL football and certainly not guaranteed to be doing so next season.

So why did Real pass and get Utd loanee Hernandez instead, why did City not get fully involved (and why did they sell Negredo so leaving themselves short?)?

Falcao and Di Maria are a bit like the Suarez situation in my opinion. The reason Liverpool got Suarez is because somebody else was in for him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody else was in for Di Maria once PSG couldn't get around the FFP rule (RM were never gonna sell to Barca).

Falcao and RM have been talked about all summer, but there was never any strong link there and does smack of the agent trying to generate interest instead of their been genuine interest. No way Arsenal would pay his wages, or Liverpool for that matter. City likely backed out due to FFP considering his wage demands. Sure Utd are not in CL, but Falcao doesn't seem bothered by that, and really he seems more interested in money (nothing wrong with that).

Di Maria and Falcao are excellent signings for Utd, they have purchased 2 of the best players in the world in their respective positions. The money involved doesn't matter, they can easily afford it. Sure it doesn't address their problems, but world class players like these don't come available too often.

I'd happily Di Maria and Falcao over any 2 of Liverpool's new signings, you'd be mad not to imo.

smileyj1987

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Football fans are like that . They want to believe they have the best striker or players in the league . Arsenal fans will tell you Sanchez is a better player . Chelsea fans will say Diego Costa is better . Liverpool fans will say Sturrigde or Ballotelli is better and Manchester city fans will say aguero , dzeko or jovetic is better . It's just simple tribalism is all .

That's it. Funny people getting upset about it!

Falcao isn't premiership proven though. He might not be up to the tempo of the best league in the world

ASOT

Harry Palmr wrote: »

http://www.therichest.com/sports/soccer-sports/selling-your-soul-radamel-falcao-controlled-by-third-party-ownership/



As third part ownership is illegal in England either he is now free of it (though not sure how) or it's not an issue for loans, but will become an issue next summer if Utd want to buy him.

Monaco signed him outright so hes not part owned by anyone anymore!

grumpymunster

Falcao is a top class player and I would have thought most clubs in the world would love him. But if it is true he was insisting on the same take home pay as he was getting at Monaco then there are very few who could afford him United being one of the very few of course.

As for injuries when we bought Casiraghi a good few years back he had a good record regarding injuries still a few games a bit of bad luck and that was his career over. Sadly injuries happen don't think Falcao any better or worse than most.

smileyj1987

rarnes1 wrote: »

That's it. Funny people getting upset about it!

Falcao isn't premiership proven though. He might not be up to the tempo of the best league in the world

But then it was great business by man utd to take him on loan for a season to see is he up to it . I wouldn't imagine the year in France did a lot for him . This could be the player also saying I want to play in a proper league aswell .

greendom

smileyj1987 wrote: »

But then it was great business by man utd to take him on loan for a season to see is he up to it . I wouldn't imagine the year in France did a lot for him . This could be the player also saying I want to play in a proper league aswell .

my understanding is that it's only a loan deal from a financial point of view. It is a permanent signing but the first year is considered a loan.

Lucas Hood

Just on this whole not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

Lucas Hood

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Just on this while not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

Bundesliga proven!

SherlockWatson

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Just on this while not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

Well the PL would probably be regarded as a more physical league when the others place more importance on technical skill etc?

Will I Amnt

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Football fans are like that . They want to believe they have the best striker or players in the league . Arsenal fans will tell you Sanchez is a better player . Chelsea fans will say Diego Costa is better . Liverpool fans will say Sturrigde or Ballotelli is better and Manchester city fans will say aguero , dzeko or jovetic is better . It's just simple tribalism is all .

Saying other players are better is one thing but saying he's unwanted, old, one knock away from a long term injury, lost his pace etc. is just picking faults for the sake of making it look like bad business.

Oh and tell rarnes I'm not upset about it, just making counter arguments and refuting points made by others, it's how a message board works. He must spend all his day laughing at people on here, everything is funny to him.

Ed Winchester

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Well the PL would probably be regarded as a more physical league when the others place more importance on technical skill etc?

Is this not really a bit of an old cliche now at this stage. Every single team in the league has a large portion of foreign players in their starting XI every week.

ThunbergsAreGo

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Di Maria > Sanchez and its not even that close.

Missed the words "one of" did we?

Harry Palmr

Smithwicks Man

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Just on this whole not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

It's a load of nonsense that Sky get their pundits to say every chance they get so as to make the PL out to be better than it is. Haven't considered it the best league in the world for a while now.

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Well the PL would probably be regarded as a more physical league when the others place more importance on technical skill etc?

Premiership - Physical
La Liga - Technical
Serie A - Tactical
Bundesliga - Mixed


That was always the way it was predominantly but from what I watch of them all and read about it's more that on average, the PL and Bundesliga have a higher tempo. The Serie A has a lower tempo but the teams are tactically sounder and La Liga is a mix with generally higher quality than the other 3.

SherlockWatson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Its good to see United at the top of a table again.

Panthro

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well hello Chelsea!:D
It's been a while not seeing those figures in the red.

JerCotter7

This thread became very bitter over night. We need the transfer window open again.

Smithwicks Man

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I wasn't aware the Di Maria transfer could rise to €90m :eek:

CSF

Andersonisgod wrote: »

What? His role was to give Falcao freedom, to take all the attention away from Falcao to allow him to thrive, to occupy defenders. I suspect Falcao would be the first to tell you how good Costa was in that role. Of course Falcao moved on, Costa became the main man, the rest is history.

I really didn't think he was great, I watch Atletico every week, and he frustrated the hell out of me. Then last season he stepped it up big time.

Marty McFly

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Di Maria > Sanchez and its not even that close.

:pac: time will tell but I'm betting Sanchez will prove the better signing he's got off to a great start.

CSF

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Is this not really a bit of an old cliche now at this stage. Every single team in the league has a large portion of foreign players in their starting XI every week.

Absolutely not. Those foreign players pretty much all end up having to adapt or perish. The game in England is a very different animal to that in Spain or France, I don't see how that fits into a Falcao discussion though since he seems to have all the tools to adapt to the English game seamlessly.

Lukker-

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It was a steep learning curve but Chelsea got pretty good at this whole transfer business.