The Virgin Media Television thread

deadybai · 27-08-2015 4:26pm

Do you have to subscribe to TV3 HD? On sky. Went to go onto it last night and said you have to subscribe. Surely you dont have to pay extra for a regular tv station?

deezell · 27-08-2015 4:40pm

deadybai wrote: »

Do you have to subscribe to TV3 HD? On sky. Went to go onto it last night and said you have to subscribe. Surely you dont have to pay extra for a regular tv station?

You need a regular sky sub, then the HD topup. Thats all part of TV3's plan, get the world cup, then go into cahoots with Sky for the HD version. All partly funded by public money. Regular sky subscribers only get the 544 pixel sub standard SD version thats on Saorview.

Elmo · 27-08-2015 5:23pm

deezell wrote: »

You need a regular sky sub, then the HD topup. Thats all part of TV3's plan, get the world cup, then go into cahoots with Sky for the HD version. All partly funded by public money. Regular sky subscribers only get the 544 pixel sub standard SD version thats on Saorview.

It will be interesting to see if Sky viewers watch on ITV/STV/UTV HD. Are UTV showing all the matches? or will the only show ITV games and not ITV4 ones?

icdg · 27-08-2015 5:27pm

ITV have yet to announce how matches will be divided between ITV and ITV4 - though I'd imagine any Ireland game scheduled for ITV4 would be shown by UTV. I don't think any will be though.

galtee boy · 27-08-2015 6:05pm

Also, TV3 keep saying all 48 games will be shown on TV3 and 3e and in HD. So seeing as there is no 3e HD on Sky or UPC, how is that going to work ?

deezell · 27-08-2015 7:07pm

galtee boy wrote: »

Also, TV3 keep saying all 48 games will be shown on TV3 and 3e and in HD. So seeing as there is no 3e HD on Sky or UPC, how is that going to work ?

Don't be surprised if they split between Tv3 and Tv3 HD, there's no apparent reason that the HD channel has to reflect the Sht D one.

Infoanon · 28-08-2015 8:10am

deezell wrote: »

Don't be surprised if they split between Tv3 and Tv3 HD, there's no apparent reason that the HD channel has to reflect the Sht D one.

Highly unlikely

icdg · 28-08-2015 9:53am

There are a number of reasons, actually.

It is a simulcast of TV3. As a simulcast; this means it will, on the UPC Horizon platform completely replace TV3. TV3 SD is not available to UPC Horizon viewers except on analogue. Some newer TVs may not have an analogue tuner.

On the Sky platform, TV3HD swaps with TV3, for HD pack customers. Sky only allows this swap to take place for HD channels that are exact simulcasts of their analogue equivalents. If TV3 HD were not an exact simulcast of TV3, Sky would be obliged by their own rules (which they wrote!) to move TV3 SD back to 103 and dump TV3 HD at the bottom of the entertainment category.

You miss the biggest point. Why would they split them in this way when it is just as easily to split between TV3 and 3e! If they need to split. There are no simultaneous KOs in the RWC, and as ITV is the UK host broadcaster, no prospect of interference from The X Factor or suchlike.

iseegirls · 28-08-2015 4:37pm

icdg wrote: »

You miss the biggest point. Why would they split them in this way when it is just as easily to split between TV3 and 3e! If they need to split. There are no simultaneous KOs in the RWC, and as ITV is the UK host broadcaster, no prospect of interference from The X Factor or suchlike.

From the schedule of The X Factor which was released this week, there will be two clashes between the show and rugby on TV3- 19th September (France v Italy) and 11th October (USA v Japan). Up to them whether to have The X Factor on after the rugby, or put XF on 3e, or put the rugby on 3e.

Elmo · 28-08-2015 4:41pm

iseegirls wrote: »

From the schedule of The X Factor which was released this week, there will be two clashes between the show and rugby on TV3- 19th September (France v Italy) and 11th October (USA v Japan). Up to them whether to have The X Factor on after the rugby, or put XF on 3e, or put the rugby on 3e.

Rubgy on 3e would boost the channel more than XFactor IMO.

galtee boy · 28-08-2015 5:08pm

Elmo wrote: »

Rubgy on 3e would boost the channel more than XFactor IMO.

Non runner, they promised the RWC in HD, so unless 3e goes HD very soon ( very unlikely ), the RWC has to be on TV3 HD.

Charles Slane · 28-08-2015 5:36pm

galtee boy wrote: »

Non runner, they promised the RWC in HD, so unless 3e goes HD very soon ( very unlikely ), the RWC has to be on TV3 HD.

But did they promise to show every game in HD?

Elmo · 28-08-2015 5:40pm

Charles Slane wrote: »

But did they promise to show every game in HD?

Initially they had plans to sell them to other broadcasters.
Then they said 24 games on 3e
Then they said all 48 games on TV3 in HD
Now ?

I don't think RWC was happy with how TV3 were announcing what they planned to do.

lertsnim · 28-08-2015 5:52pm

galtee boy wrote: »

Non runner, they promised the RWC in HD, so unless 3e goes HD very soon ( very unlikely ), the RWC has to be on TV3 HD.

A promise means nothing.

JCX BXC · 30-08-2015 11:27pm

Red Rock starting soon, looking forward to it :P

OldRio · 31-08-2015 9:32am

Charles Slane wrote: »

But did they promise to show every game in HD?

They didn't promise to show every game in HD behind a pay wall and yet they will. They seem a law to themselves.

iseegirls · 02-09-2015 9:36am

TV3s Autumn Schedule to be released today. They're having the launch from the Aviva Stadium later this afternoon.

Elmo · 02-09-2015 4:58pm

iseegirls wrote: »

TV3s Autumn Schedule to be released today. They're having the launch from the Aviva Stadium later this afternoon.

Only getting to look at it now. Am I right to suggest that most of the new Irish Prime Time programming will not air until January 2016?

I am lost to what season of The Great Irish Bake Off they are announcing, is it the 3rd or 2nd and have they put off showing which ever series they are announcing since their last autumn launch?

http://www.tv3.ie/xpose/article/tv-news/177178/TV3-reveals-details-of-Autumn-Programming

iseegirls · 02-09-2015 5:11pm

Elmo wrote: »

Only getting to look at it now. Am I right to suggest that most of the new Irish Prime Time programming will not air until January 2016?

I am lost to what season of The Great Irish Bake Off they are announcing, is it the 3rd or 2nd and have they put off showing which ever series they are announcing since their last autumn launch?

http://www.tv3.ie/xpose/article/tv-news/177178/TV3-reveals-details-of-Autumn-Programming

This will be the third season of GIBO.
Normally they'd put up a PDF of the brochure, so hopefully once that goes up it may give us an indication surrounding starting dates.
But it feels like all efforts are going into the Rugby World Cup for the next 2 months, and leaving any new programming to start in either November or January.

Elmo · 02-09-2015 5:24pm

iseegirls wrote: »

This will be the third season of GIBO.
Normally they'd put up a PDF of the brochure, so hopefully once that goes up it may give us an indication surrounding starting dates.
But it feels like all efforts are going into the Rugby World Cup for the next 2 months, and leaving any new programming to start in either November or January.

Oh and Gogglebox which starts .... This time next year?

RWC is a great opportunity to have lasting increases in audience share.

gordongekko · 02-09-2015 6:06pm

They just interviewed someone from tv3 on the last word and I'm hoping I miss heard but I thought she claimed that tv3 would not be in hd on saorview as you need a hd box and the saorview box is not hd.What horse****

Sam Russell · 02-09-2015 6:10pm

gordongekko wrote: »

They just interviewed someone from tv3 on the last word and I'm hoping I miss heard but I thought she claimed that tv3 would not be in hd on saorview as you need a hd box and the saorview box is not hd.What horse****

I think wahat was meant was .... TV3 would not be in hd on saorview as TV3 need to pay more for that.

What horse****

Elmo · 02-09-2015 7:40pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think wahat was meant was .... TV3 would not be in hd on saorview as TV3 need to pay more for that.

What horse****

This is why Irish TV has become so bad, TV executive haven't go a ....

deezell · 03-09-2015 7:15am

Elmo wrote: »

This is why Irish TV has become so bad, TV executive haven't go a ....

It says it all that the network provider 2RN has failed to attract a single new customer to market beside UTV, while the unused banwidth is broadcast into thin air. At the very least Tv3 should have had the bandwidth of their old analogue channel, which is an entire mux. If they controlled that they could have Hd on their main channel, decent Sd on 3e and then sell the spare at a market rate. 2RN's business model is as antiquated as their ridiculous name. It's like the 1980's when the Post & Telegraphs ran the phones and telecommunications exclusively, it took five years to get a connection, half their technology dated from before the 50's and their organisational structures dated from the 1900's. The worst thing next to aging infrastructure is ancient civil service style business practices. Hence the world cup will be broadcast on slightly better than VHS tape quality though the infrastructure is bang up to date.

The Cush · 03-09-2015 8:42am

deezell wrote: »

It says it all that the network provider 2RN has failed to attract a single new customer to market beside UTV, while the unused banwidth is broadcast into thin air. At the very least Tv3 should have had the bandwidth of their old analogue channel, which is an entire mux. If they controlled that they could have Hd on their main channel, decent Sd on 3e and then sell the spare at a market rate. 2RN's business model is as antiquated as their ridiculous name.

The BAI is the body responsible for the spare capacity on the public service muxes by regulation. 2RN is responsible for transmission and distribution of the content carried on the muxes.

Regarding TV3 having their own multiplex, there are 6 spare UHF multiplexes so it wouldn't be a problem allocating them 1 if they really wanted it. The problem would be the capital and operating costs for that mux.

The operating cost for the 2 mux network is about €12m p.a., so it would cost TV3 approx. €6m to operate a single mux, expensive if they fail to attract any customers. 2RN spent €61m rolling out the existing 2 mux network, how much would it cost to equip 64 transmitters with the necessary hardware to transmit that mux. Of course they could go back to the old analogue days where they were only available from a limited number of transmitters (12 of 170-180).

The market rate for the mux has to cover the operating and initial capital costs otherwise you're running at a loss (that's without a profit margin).

2RN's transmission business model is based on the actual operating costs, capital costs plus a regulated profit margin. They are still in debt to almost €40m for rolling out the DTT network.

reubenreuben · 03-09-2015 8:46am

gordongekko wrote: »

They just interviewed someone from tv3 on the last word and I'm hoping I miss heard but I thought she claimed that tv3 would not be in hd on saorview as you need a hd box and the saorview box is not hd.What horse****

I have just listened to the recording of this and Matt Cooper asked if TV3 will be broadcasting HD during the Rugby world cup, she states that 'you need a hd box for the HD and that saorview is not a hd box'

She doesn't state if it is available on saorview or not, she states that you need a HD box.

In other words, this is sales talk or bullocks in other words!

deezell · 03-09-2015 9:18am

reubenreuben wrote: »

I have just listened to the recording of this and Matt Cooper asked if TV3 will be broadcasting HD during the Rugby world cup, she states that 'you need a hd box for the HD and that saorview is not a hd box'

She doesn't state if it is available on saorview or not, she states that you need a HD box.

In other words, this is sales talk or bullocks in other words!

"Saorview is not a hd Box" is doubletalk for " Saorview is not a subscription satellite TV service plus a premium for hd" in other words, get a sky sub, then a Hd sub, and tv3 gets its cut. How the IRB took their eye off the ball when awarding the rights is a mystery. They took no cognisance of the ability of the bidder to deliver a quality product.

deezell · 03-09-2015 9:25am

The Cush wrote: »

The BAI is the body responsible for the spare capacity on the public service muxes by regulation. 2RN is responsible for transmission and distribution of the content carried on the muxes.

Regarding TV3 having their own multiplex, there are 6 spare UHF multiplexes so it wouldn't be a problem allocating them 1 if they really wanted it. The problem would be the capital and operating costs for that mux.

The operating cost for the 2 mux network is about €12m p.a., so it would cost TV3 approx. €6m to operate a single mux, expensive if they fail to attract any customers. 2RN spent €61m rolling out the existing 2 mux network, how much would it cost to equip 64 transmitters with the necessary hardware to transmit that mux. Of course they could go back to the old analogue days where they were only available from a limited number of transmitters (12 of 170-180).

The market rate for the mux has to cover the operating and initial capital costs otherwise you're running at a loss (that's without a profit margin).

2RN's transmission business model is based on the actual operating costs, capital costs plus a regulated profit margin. They are still in debt to almost €40m for rolling out the DTT network.

The transmission network was and is funded by the licence fee and the taxpayer. Once you understand that, it is up to he BAI/2rn to utilise it to the maximum benefit of the licence/taxpayer. Do this, and then optimise your ability to recover capital and running costs from a top class service. Instead they're just sitting on ball because they own it.

Sam Russell · 03-09-2015 9:50am

deezell wrote: »

The transmission network was and is funded by the licence fee and the taxpayer. Once you understand that, it is up to he BAI/2rn to utilise it to the maximum benefit of the licence/taxpayer. Do this, and then optimise your ability to recover capital and running costs from a top class service. Instead they're just sitting on ball because they own it.

That is not so.

TV3 refused to pay the full analogue price and so only transmitted from the main transmitters to 80% of the population. When Saorview started they refused to pay for transmission charges on Saorview. They forced ComReg to set up the current system where the broadcaster pays for bandwidth, and 2RN are fully regulated. They currently use the least bandwidth of any of the five main channels. They have history in this.

2RN are fully regulated and cannot take any initiatives. It is like forcing a shop like Arnotts to work on a fixed mark up and not allow any sales or promotions.

By the way, if 2RN changed the basic resolution of SD from 544 by 576 to 704 by 576, this would increase the bandwidth required by a little over 10%, and so only increase the charge for SD by such an amount, but make a huge difference to the picture quality. This would be certain as HD versions of most channels are available.

It also appears we are about to get RTE 2+1 on channel 12.

The Cush · 03-09-2015 10:28am

deezell wrote: »

The transmission network was and is funded by the licence fee and the taxpayer.

2RN is a separate company within RTÉ and is self financing via transmission and mast network charges, have a look at their accounts via the CRO.

They borrowed €38.25m to finance the upgrade of the transmission network and used the network assets as security for the loan

Lender security

It was one of the conditions to the availability of the project loan facility that RTÉNL execute a security deed agreement and provide the lender security as follows:

a) Lands of 13 main DTT transmission sites;
b) All RTÉNL present and future fixtures and fittings on the DTT transmission sites;
c) All RTÉNL rental income and occupational leases;
d) Rights and benefits of RTÉNL insurance policies;
e) Certain bank accounts of RTÉNL relating to the DTT project (i.e. the Sinking Fund Account and the Insurance Proceeds Account);
and
f) Deeds of Assignment creating security assignments in respect of certain commercial contracts and DTT Construction Contracts.

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