Does it matter where your degree comes from?

deseil

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I have been asked on occasion to provide a transcript of results. I find it strange though that so many places don't require one.

Yes I've never been asked, so really anyone qualified to do a job could just lie about where their degree came from.

TimeToShine

deseil wrote: »

Sorry probably a stupid question, have any of you actually been asked to produce proof of where you got your degree or could someone just lie and say on their cv they have a degree from wherever without ever being found out?

Companies should, and I stress the word should, ask for transcripts of your results at the very least to verify your credentials before making you an offer.

However, once you get to the interview stage and they like the cut of your jib, it seems that there are a few around the place who like to bypass this part and go straight to offering you a contract.

Still, it's definitely not worth lying about a degree you don't have. It's one thing bumping up a 2.2 to a 2.1 (not that I condone that) but inventing a three year chunk of your life that never happened in a college you have no affinity with is not going to end well.

steddyeddy

How does the Trinity MA work?

shruikan2553

deseil wrote: »

Sorry probably a stupid question, have any of you actually been asked to produce proof of where you got your degree or could someone just lie and say on their cv they have a degree from wherever without ever being found out?

In my company you have to bring in transcripts on your first day. No idea what happens if you fail to provide it though.

steddyeddy wrote: »

How does the Trinity MA work?

A few years after you graduate you can spend about 600 euro and get a masters.

Amirani

shruikan2553 wrote: »

A few years after you graduate you can spend about 600 euro and get a masters.

You don't get a Masters qualification. You get the title Master of Arts, which gives a level of seniority within the college which in turn gives certain internal privileges.

Neither TCD nor Oxbridge claim that it's a postgraduate qualification. If you're putting it after your name, you're supposed to do MA (j.o. Dubl).

Anita Blow

steddyeddy wrote: »

How does the Trinity MA work?

It's sort of like an honorary award that you can apply for 3 years after you graduate and pay €637 or if you're an alumnus of 50 years you get it for free.

longhalloween

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I have been asked on occasion to provide a transcript of results. I find it strange though that so many places don't require one.

I've been asked a few times, but only by MNC's, never by smaller companies. I had to send my college transcripts and leaving cert results to a English company once. Considering it's been 8 years since the leaving, I spent 2 days looking for the parchment.

I use some of my lecturers are references, so that kinda proves I do the course I say I do.

steddyeddy

Diego Simeone wrote: »

You don't get a Masters qualification. You get the title Master of Arts, which gives a level of seniority within the college which in turn gives certain internal privileges.

Neither TCD nor Oxbridge claim that it's a postgraduate qualification. If you're putting it after your name, you're supposed to do MA (j.o. Dubl).

Well that's fair enough.

ViveLaVie

deandean wrote: »

No, I am right and you are wrong, and be good enough to.refrain from personal abuse.
linky for example, there are more:
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/trinty-sells-masters-degrees-for-498-and-no-work-necessary-26215192.html
so, you graduate from TCD, wait 3 years, send in a cheque and tbey award you a Master's degree!
Only TCD does (or did) this. IMO shows that the only value in a TCD Master's degree is monetary.
Unfortunately the TCD grads who worked hard for a bone fide Master's are somewhat tarred with the same brush.
getting back to the OP, It seems plain wrong that a tcd qual should be rated differently. maybe the rating system was made up by a TCD graduate?

It's an honorary MA. It's to recognise the four year aspect to certain BAs such as a BA in English and Maths for example which would be three years in another university. It doesn't really count as an MA and it's why the college confers other Masters' degrees in Arts etc with the letters MPhil instead.

ViveLaVie

deandean wrote: »

No, I am right and you are wrong, and be good enough to.refrain from personal abuse.
linky for example, there are more:
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/trinty-sells-masters-degrees-for-498-and-no-work-necessary-26215192.html
so, you graduate from TCD, wait 3 years, send in a cheque and tbey award you a Master's degree!
Only TCD does (or did) this. IMO shows that the only value in a TCD Master's degree is monetary.
Unfortunately the TCD grads who worked hard for a bone fide Master's are somewhat tarred with the same brush.
getting back to the OP, It seems plain wrong that a tcd qual should be rated differently. maybe the rating system was made up by a TCD graduate?

It's an honorary MA. It's to recognise the four year aspect to certain BAs such as a BA in English and Maths for example which would be three years in another university. It doesn't really count as an MA and it's why the college confers other Masters' degrees in Arts etc with the letters MPhil instead.

EuropeanSon

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Certainly, it's definitely the most logical thing to do, but that's not the question in the thread title, is it?

The point is, if they do this as it's the most logical thing to do, then your University really does matter.

hatrickpatrick

Candie wrote: »

If it's much more difficult to gain entry into the more high status universities, then it's likely that the graduates are of a higher calibre generally. I can see where they're coming from.

Someone with a degree from Oxbridge is almost certainly brighter than someone with a degree from the University Of Average Joe.

Not necessarily. Someone who got into Trinity was probably either cleverer or worked harder in their late teens to get high leaving cert points - how relevant is that when you're looking at 22-23 year olds coming out of those degrees? Everyone changes a f*ckload between those ages.

Regardless, I think especially for something like the Web Summit which is an internet based organization to not accept applicants from ITs which carry the vast bulk of specialized web engineering and multimedia courses at the moment is highly illogical.

CramCycle

Blut2 wrote: »

My girlfriend works in HR for a large MNC in Dublin. For every one position they advertise they get 300+ applicants. Rather than going through thousands of CVs they use academic criteria to rule out the majority of candidates - you need a 1.1, you need to have gone to TCD/UCD/NUIG/UCC/NUIM, you need to have gotten over 500 points in your Leaving Cert.

Only a HR person would ask for leaving cert points if you have a suitable degree and grade.

deseil wrote: »

Sorry probably a stupid question, have any of you actually been asked to produce proof of where you got your degree or could someone just lie and say on their cv they have a degree from wherever without ever being found out?

For academic positions, if your lie is a big one it will be found out pretty quickly.

steddyeddy

Leaving cert grades are irrelevant IMO.

cournioni

It depends on the career I guess. For example, Trinity students are at a great disadvantage if they do an accounting and finance degree there as the exemptions for the professional exams (ie Chartered Accountants) are lower than the likes of DCU, DKIT etc.

A part time degree (NUI accredited) with the IPA counts for more than the DCU full time degree when going on for ACCA professional and this gives you a better chance of being employed with big companies with ACCA preference. But it does not have as many exemptions for CA pro exams as DCU has.

It depends on the material you've covered in your course essentially. I assume that most degrees in Ireland will have similiar modules anyway.

sock puppet

cournioni wrote: »

It depends on the career I guess. For example, Trinity students are at a great disadvantage if they do an accounting and finance degree there as the exemptions for the professional exams (ie Chartered Accountants) are lower than the likes of DCU, DKIT etc.

A part time degree (NUI accredited) with the IPA counts for more than the DCU full time degree when going on for ACCA professional and this gives you a better chance of being employed with big companies with ACCA preference. But it does not have as many exemptions for CA pro exams as DCU has.

It depends on the material you've covered in your course essentially. I assume that most degrees in Ireland will have similiar modules anyway.

There is no accounting and finance course in Trinity. And you're talking as if ACCA is the only professional body in Ireland. Accounting is probably the most common career choice for Trinity business students. Not having exemptions means they'll have to sit more exams, but they'll still get hired as trainee accountants.

The_Captain

You'd be amazed at how many companies care about Leaving Cert results. I've applied to multi-national pharma/engineering companies that have had 12 page application forms that want your LC points, your grade on each subject, degree, module scores, thesis titles, post-grad qualifications, membership of accredited bodies, other relevant training and a whole tonne of stuff.

I have a 500 point leaving cert and a 4th level education and my application still looked crap with all the blank spaces.

Unfortunately, as galling as it is, employers need to filter out about 90% of applicants, and places uses where you got your degree as one of their criteria.

In my line of work, it seems that Trinity/UCD are considered top-tier, DCU is a significant step down, and anyone else is just there to hold equipment.

Obviously in the long term, your actual performance is all that matters in a job, and once you have decent experience your CV is skills/achievements based rather than qualifications.

Dravokivich

What ever happened to the National Framework of Qualifications?

https://www.fetac.ie/fetac/employers/nfq/nfq.htm

I Heart Internet

Simple answer to OP is Yes.

Longer answer is, it shouldn't really, (because of national qualification framework) but it yes, it does.