The Boko Haram Kidnapping - Did boys not matter ?

Standman

Piliger wrote: »

Well the ladies who like to come and post in TGC certainly all agree - surprise surprise.

Your bias is really coming through here.

Piliger

Standman wrote: »

Your bias is really coming through here.

I would have thought that was obvious from the get go. I am completely biased in favour of balanced media reporting and I am biased against the feminist domination of this kind of hateful media coverage where boys die and they don't give a damn, but when girls get kidnapped al hell breaks lose.
I am biased against this appalling situation where the lives of boys matter for nothing but all we see today are stupid selfies with "save the girls" signs all over the international media.
I am biased against the daily articles in the newspapers condemning men for violence against women in the home hill totally and comprehensively ignoring the violence against men in the home.
I am biased against nasty hateful feminists who use every opportunity of blatant prejudice and sexism against men to further their disgusting misandrous agenda and then try to justify it will their usual sexist excuses.

Oh yes. I am biased alright.

Piliger

the_syco wrote: »

TL:DR dead boys don't help ratings as much as girls about to sold into possible sex slavery.

And why is that ? That is the ghastly question that feminists wriggle and writhe to avoid dealing with. Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where men now count for so little ? Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where men can be battered and attacked by their partners every day yet the newspapers and media have persuaded so many that domestic violence only happens in the home ? Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where many men actually believe they themselves are the source of eve and as a result of decades of daily propaganda they cannot see what has happened. Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where men are branded and labeled as the sole abusers and controllers of women and children by the disgusting man up campaign ?

It's about time more men reflected on their position in society and the direction things are taking, and effected on the society into which their sons are being born. A society that labels them from birth as latent abusers, latent rapists, latent controllers.

Standman

Piliger wrote: »

I would have thought that was obvious from the get go. I am completely biased in favour of balanced media reporting and I am biased against the feminist domination of this kind of hateful media coverage where boys die and they don't give a damn, but when girls get kidnapped al hell breaks lose.
I am biased against this appalling situation where the lives of boys matter for nothing but all we see today are stupid selfies with "save the girls" signs all over the international media.
I am biased against the daily articles in the newspapers condemning men for violence against women in the home hill totally and comprehensively ignoring the violence against men in the home.
I am biased against nasty hateful feminists who use every opportunity of blatant prejudice and sexism against men to further their disgusting misandrous agenda and then try to justify it will their usual sexist excuses.

Oh yes. I am biased alright.

I meant your bias towards women in general.

Corkfeen

Piliger wrote: »

Well the ladies who like to come and post in TGC certainly all agree - surprise surprise.

I agree with them and I'm male. You've got such a persecution complex going on. If 243 boys were kidnapped I would view it equally as seriously. The fact that a situation exists where people wish to prevent people from receiving an education because of their gender is a significant issue in itself and an unfortunate issue that exists across the globe.

PucaMama

Piliger wrote: »

And why is that ? That is the ghastly question that feminists wriggle and writhe to avoid dealing with. Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where men now count for so little ? Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where men can be battered and attacked by their partners every day yet the newspapers and media have persuaded so many that domestic violence only happens in the home ? Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where many men actually believe they themselves are the source of eve and as a result of decades of daily propaganda they cannot see what has happened. Why is it that feminism has so poisoned the media and culture where men are branded and labeled as the sole abusers and controllers of women and children by the disgusting man up campaign ?

It's about time more men reflected on their position in society and the direction things are taking, and effected on the society into which their sons are being born. A society that labels them from birth as latent abusers, latent rapists, latent controllers.

you really are taking it too far.

Piliger

Piliger wrote: »

I am biased against nasty hateful feminists who use every opportunity of blatant prejudice and sexism against men to further their disgusting misandrous agenda and then try to justify it will their usual sexist excuses.

Piliger wrote: »

It's about time more men reflected on their position in society and the direction things are taking, and effected on the society into which their sons are being born. A society that labels them from birth as latent abusers, latent rapists, latent controllers.

Does any reasonable person consider these measured and proportionate comments? I just asked several of my relatives and friends if they felt labelled latent abusers/rapists/controllers (from birth!) and I was looked at like I was from another planet.

Corkfeen wrote: »

I agree with them and I'm male.

Careful now, I expect you'll be called self-loathing shortly, a silencing tactic I've noted.

GalwayGuy2

Does any reasonable person consider these measured and proportionate comments? I just asked several of my relatives and friends if they felt labelled latent abusers/rapists/controllers (from birth!) and I was looked at like I was from another planet.

Tbh, they sound quite similar to what you would read in the daily sexism thread in that other forum.

Sauve

Mod

As per the charter, please stop with the criticism of other forum(s) on boards. This is not the place to air dirty laundry, there are much more appropriate places and methods for doing that.
Now let's get back on topic please.

Piliger

Standman wrote: »

I meant your bias towards women in general.

How on earth would you know anything about me ? And what evidence do you have to make that kind of accusation ?

Zulu

Candie wrote: »

Does any reasonable person consider these measured and proportionate comments

How nice of you (a female) to tell him how he should feel. Deep-throat (opinion) much?

There has been a rash of recent media campaigns for battered/abused women recently which have either delibertly or nievely targeted or labelled "men", as in all men, and not some men. Perhaps your friends and relatives avoid media? Or are Amish? Or simply don't care when media chooses to tar whole groups negativity for the actions of a time minority?

Zulu

Zulu wrote: »

How nice of you (a female) to tell him how he should feel. Deep-throat (opinion) much?

There has been a rash of recent media campaigns for battered/abused women recently which have either delibertly or nievely targeted or labelled "men", as in all men, and not some men. Perhaps your friends and relatives avoid media? Or are Amish? Or simply don't care when media chooses to tar whole groups negativity for the actions of a time minority?

I'm not telling him how to feel, I'm expressing my opinion. It's very clear how he feels.

My relatives and friends also don't need to be told what they should be feeling, Amish or not - pointless petty dig as that was.

I guess it's all down to one's personal bias and interpretation, something that goes both ways and affects everyone. Even you.

Zulu

Candie wrote: »

Amish or not - pointless petty dig...

how is being Amish a dig?
Clearly we all are biased, some more so than others.

valor rorghulis

Its been touched on already but media really just works on what people respond to.

If you started a hashtag campaign about boy soldiers being slaughtered it just wouldn't get as many shares/likes/tags etc. Thats why we aren't seeing them

So blaming the people involved in this campaign for not giving equal time to boys is missing the point. Its like saying people who raise money for ashthma sufferers should spend equal time raising money for every other condition.

Its a problem with society as a whole. We're not egalitarian when it comes to people in need, and for whatever reason we respond more as a society to females under threat of physical or emotional harm. We should therefore be pointing the finger at society as a whole, and not the people raising awareness about girls under threat.

Shakespeare's Sister

I think it's a fair point that there's less focus on boys, but I don't know at all that people wouldn't care if there was an awareness campaign highlighting what has happened to boys. Who wouldn't care? I don't know anyone who wouldn't.

Lou.m

Piliger wrote: »

The recent appalling kidnapping and claimed selling of 200 girls is an evil and stunning piece of evil. It is documented in Nigeria that all previous kidnapped girls have been gang raped.

However I thing it is a fair question to ask why now ? Why this global outrage now ?

boko Haram has been slaughtering children for years. Hundreds of them. But almost all of them have been boys.

It seems that slaughtered buys don't count for much. Not a major media outlet but a very valid article think. And one that men should pay attention to.

It's not like that.


There are groups slaughtered every day.

It is not just about this incident but this GROUP of militants that needs attention because they are responsible for a series of horrific events.

The duty of the media should be also to bring attention to this group.

The number is high ...and it is an unusual story. Killing is usual, sadly.

Boka Harem are a recognisable and growing threat to the stability of Nigeria and will draw other terrorists to the wider area.Terrorists, unfortunately are not to be negotiated with and Nigeria has clearly asked for help in dealing with this issue.

There are also European countries offering their expertise. It's not coincidental.

It would not be difficult to find that story for anyone who wanted to. The reason you found it though is interesting not because you are interested in the event...but because of the angle you took. It has to appeal to MRA sense of injustice for it to matter boys in Nigeria were slaughtered if you want to look at it that way. Nigeria is hardly a country were feminism has conquered.

Your obsession with western gender issues over this events is telling.

The boys unfortunately are dead. The girls are possible still out there and can be rescued that should be the main issue not your strange political gender fetishes. They can still feel pain.

There is something that can be done for these girls and so harnessing the media can have purpose.

Terrorists, unfortunately are not to be negotiated with and Nigeria has clearly asked for help in dealing with this issue.

To complain that a story about boys did not seem to get as much coverage is an admittance from you that you only read it because it aligned with your grievance and not for the tragedy itself. If it had been a mixed group would you have read it and forgotten.

And I am sure it did get read ...from people who read news. And it did get coverage in African countries.

Anything that puts pressure on powers that be to stop this group is good.

Would we have this thread if it were a mixed group slaughtered? Or if a mixed group of children had been kidnapped ?? Shudders...I wonder what the media would have done if a mixed group of children had gone missing....that helps no ones agenda ...

Standman

Piliger wrote: »

How on earth would you know anything about me ? And what evidence do you have to make that kind of accusation ?

I'm simply reacting to your posts.

Galwayguy35

I think it's true that there is less made of it when the story is about boys that have been murdered.

Slightly off topic but does it genuinely make someone sit up and take notice when they hear of another young man who has been the victim of and assault which either seriously hurt or killed him?

Not as much as if it was a woman who was kicked to death in a street assault IMO.

And why is this?

It's because it happens to young men on nights out every weekend.

Pawwed Rig

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Pawwed Rig

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