Spring lamb prices

paddysdream

wrangler wrote: »

Group prices are good if they're inspec but get hammered for everything else.
Our lambs killed out 50% after being killing out at 46% all year so good few overfats and over weight this time
Correction.... price was 107 after deductions

Whats the spec and does it vary factory to factory or group to group.
Not the actual prices but what spec do the lambs need to hit and what bonus/deductions from base price would an U R O or fat 1 to 5 be or weight minimum or maximum ?
How is the base set ?Is it the factory quoted price ie at present according to papers factories quoting say 4.85 early this week when the actual price is 5.

wrangler

paddysdream wrote: »

Whats the spec and does it vary factory to factory or group to group.
Not the actual prices but what spec do the lambs need to hit and what bonus/deductions from base price would an U R O or fat 1 to 5 be or weight minimum or maximum ?
How is the base set ?Is it the factory quoted price ie at present according to papers factories quoting say 4.85 early this week when the actual price is 5.

R and U 3 is ''inspec',' after that you get penalised, this year we have, 100% R or better, 92% fatscore 3 and 86% within the weight. We 'd always be trying to hit max weight.
The base price is based on journal quotes, and I think most of the groups are the same , so it's in their interest to keep the quotes on the journal down.
My av price today was 5.09 even though 4 out of the 19 were over weight and over fat and only made 4.65.......I was weighing every week but gave a dose a fortnight ago and had to wait a fortnight for withdrawal.
I think minimum weight is 17kg and the max is the same as everyone else, 22.5.

MD1983

paddysdream wrote: »

Think that was an example of paper never refusing ink but maybe?
As far as I know 5 euro was about the going rate for the last couple of weeks with some talking of getting a wee bit more at the weekend but nobody actually produced a docket with it.Thats farmer flat prices not producer group prices.
Talk was that factories were trying to talk up numbers and talk down prices around last Friday/Monday but that died a death it seems.
Neither ICM nor Kildare lairages over full this week when I visitated.

102 lambs left here as of Tuesday,34 ram lambs,60 ewe lambs destined for factory and 8 sooners in a paddock all alone and refusing to die!.
Lambs killing very well here but not surprising considering what meal they were/are consuming.
Average price slightly ahead of last year I should imagine but only barely.Last ones averaged 111.10 after deductions.

not that hard to believe that a guy with 400 lambs gets a better price than a guy with 14 though, and in fairness guys with small numbers for 5.05 this week, 15 cents extra is not that much

wrangler

MD1983 wrote: »

not that hard to believe that a guy with 400 lambs gets a better price than a guy with 14 though, and in fairness guys with small numbers for 5.05 this week, 15 cents extra is not that much

That's a big advantage of he group, the farmer with 5 got the same deal as 50.
ICM had a full days kill yesterday with some even left over to today

early_riser

wrangler wrote: »

ICM had a full days kill yesterday with some even left over to today

Yeah seems to be no problem with supply, had lambs booked into factory for yesterday morning 45 my own and 14 for a neighbor, phone rang wed evening to leave my own till monday morning, drew the neighbors for him and place was full of lambs

razor8

wrangler wrote: »

R and U 3 is ''inspec',' after that you get penalised, this year we have, 100% R or better, 92% fatscore 3 and 86% within the weight. We 'd always be trying to hit max weight.
The base price is based on journal quotes, and I think most of the groups are the same , so it's in their interest to keep the quotes on the journal down.
My av price today was 5.09 even though 4 out of the 19 were over weight and over fat and only made 4.65.......I was weighing every week but gave a dose a fortnight ago and had to wait a fortnight for withdrawal.
I think minimum weight is 17kg and the max is the same as everyone else, 22.5.

For inspec our group uses top 3 prices in independent as base. 10c top up for R & 15c for U. 10c QA on top again. My ave was 5.02 yesterday so your group must be more??

wrangler

razor8 wrote: »

For inspec our group uses top 3 prices in independent as base. 10c top up for R & 15c for U. 10c QA on top again. My ave was 5.02 yesterday so your group must be more??

yea it is but I doubt if you'd only get 4.65 for an overweight U4,

razor8

wrangler wrote: »

yea it is but I doubt if you'd only get 4.65 for an overweight U4,

on overweight u4 would be base price of 4.81 this week

wrangler

razor8 wrote: »

on overweight u4 would be base price of 4.81 this week

Thats my point, there's not a lot of difference in the groups,
No group should allow ICMs quote into the calculation for base price, journal shouldn't even be quoting them They're so far out

razor8

Totally agree. The price is totally manipulated. How are other factories doing it?

What’s the answer to the situation?

razor8

wrangler wrote: »

Thats my point, there's not a lot of difference in the groups,
No group should allow ICMs quote into the calculation for base price, journal shouldn't even be quoting them They're so far out

If producer groups had no affiliation with a particular factory could they offer lambs to all factories on a online platform and the highest bid get them
Would shift some of the power back to the farmers??

wrangler

razor8 wrote: »

If producer groups had no affiliation with a particular factory could they offer lambs to all factories on a online platform and the highest bid get them
Would shift some of the power back to the farmers??

Probably wouldn't work with an existing group, I doubt if a factory would move in on another factories group. I'm not inferring there's a cartel or anything
I'd actually be happy enough with the way we're treated so won't be moving....there's two other groups around here, think they're both going to Athleague

razor8

wrangler wrote: »

Probably wouldn't work with an existing group, I doubt if a factory would move in on another factories group. I'm not inferring there's a cartel or anything
I'd actually be happy enough with the way we're treated so won't be moving....there's two other groups around here, think they're both going to Athleague

Is it not pretty obvious that ICM kill every week is made up of producer group lambs hence the poor quoted price in papers every week??

wrangler

razor8 wrote: »

Is it not pretty obvious that ICM kill every week is made up of producer group lambs hence the poor quoted price in papers every week??

Yea, I often thought that alright,but they get plenty of farmers and agents too on a Thursday while we'd be there, don't think any other group goes on thurs, must've been 2000 -2500 killed yest and we only had 6-700, some dealers come straight from marts with very good lambs, I often wonder what they pay for them or did the dealers share out a mart somewhere

davidk1394

Sent 60 lambs yesterday at 5.05/kg they averaged 107 a lamb. Another 63 going today.

davidk1394

The 63 lambs averaged €105 a piece. These were slightly smaller lambs but glad with their money

Duke92

What weight were they live roughly
Were they getting meal
What weight are they paying up to

Willfarman

That's a great average on a big lot of lambs.

davidk1394

Average live weights was 43-46 kgs. All lambs were on meal and silage. Their dead weights were between 19 to 24 kgs. The breeds consisted of easy cares, beltex crosses, charollais cross lambs.

kk.man

Just a matter of interest. David, what breed killed out best?

davidk1394

kk.man wrote: »

Just a matter of interest. David, what breed killed out best?

Beltex lambs weighed like lead. They were only 43-44 KGS but killed out 22 + kg. Very little between the charollais and easy care. Wasn't sure how the easy care lambs would go, when their born they have long legs and big frame. They come into big weights quickly. Bought another 2 easy care rams.
Have 24 lambs that were too big for the factory 47-55 kgs but their going to 2 local butchers during the Christmas.

wrangler

I didn't send any this week....are lambs down a bit. our group would have been on a small bit less than last week

razor8

wrangler wrote: »

I didn't send any this week....are lambs down a bit. our group would have been on a small bit less than last week

Same as last two weeks with us & looking like same again for 3 day kill next week

paddysdream

wrangler wrote: »

I didn't send any this week....are lambs down a bit. our group would have been on a small bit less than last week

Still much the same non group price for the last few weeks ie 5 euro to 22.5 for QA.That's in two different factories.Another paying 4.90 to 23 kgs which is more or less the same.Talk every week is of this or that place talking down the price but so far no drop.
Heard of 5.10 being got but thats either a special offer or maybe not actually happening.Who knows?

davidk1394

Quoted 5.05 up to 23kg carcase. Have a few going on a truck today. Shed is starting to get empty.

paddysdream

davidk1394 wrote: »

Quoted 5.05 up to 23kg carcase. Have a few going on a truck today. Shed is starting to get empty.

5:10 in Kildare today.Less than 50 left here now.Next job is to pay the meal bill!!!!

Bleating Lamb

Have a ewe Lamb (March born) that had Orf but it has cleared off on her but I am not going to take the chance of keeping her on (was going to be a replacement)...is well fed....do I need to put eid electronic tag in her or will ordinary mart lamb tag do for sending her to factory or showing her in Mart?....would be moving her on in a few weeks,am feeding her nuts.

IH784man

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Have a ewe Lamb (March born) that had Orf but it has cleared off on her but I am not going to take the chance of keeping her on (was going to be a replacement)...is well fed....do I need to put eid electronic tag in her or will ordinary mart lamb tag do for sending her to factory or showing her in Mart?....would be moving her on in a few weeks,am feeding her nuts.

I don't think she will get orf again once it is clear from her

Green farmer

Any prices for this week ?

MD1983

5.20 for big numbers, 5.10 for the regular joes