Season 4 Episode 6 "The Laws of Gods and Men": *HAVE* read the books

Peregrine

A lot going on in this episode.

Sulla Felix

Woo, Titan of Braavos! Looks like a good one. Can't wait to see more of Tyrion vs Tywin

Washington Irving

Really looking forward to this one. Good to see Yara/Asha again. Didn't realise Mark Gatiss had been cast!

Duckworth_Luas

Is show Jorah still informing King's Landing on Daenerys' whereabouts?

Could be how he gets kicked out of her entourage.

Peregrine

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Is show Jorah still informing King's Landing on Daenerys' whereabouts?

Wasn't his job finished in season 1?

He got a royal pardon saying his job is done and he can come home, he realised they were about to kill her and he saved her. He stayed with her after that but I don't think he was still informing on her. In fact, I don't think Varys would be too pleased with Jorah ruining Dany's assasination.

Plus everything KL hears about Daenerys and the dragons since then has just been sailors' tales.

krudler

Episode 8 is titled "The Mountain And The Viper" least we know whats going to happen that episode.

December2012

What week does it take a break?

Washington Irving

December2012 wrote: »

What week does it take a break?

Between episodes 7 (May 18th) and 8 (June 1st).

krudler

Washington Irving wrote: »

Between episodes 7 (May 18th) and 8 (June 1st).

noooo, this week to week thing is enough torture

December2012

Can somebody remind me what Sansa did or felt or understood when she heard Lysa confess all to Baelish in the books?

As in, did she comprehend that all the shíte her family went through was because they (baelish and Lysa) lied about who killed Jon Arryn?

RobbingBandit

****e episode, very uncomfortable watching Tyrion suffer, Drogon scene was awesome though, the bath scene was creepier than the rape scene a few weeks ago. I am losing my patience with this show.

Tristram

I thought this was one of the best episodes. Strong scene with Ser Davos at the Iron Bank, the bath scene between Reek and Ramsay was good, and the excellent court-room scene at the end. I even enjoyed a Daenerys scene (which is rare enough), when the son of the former Mereen master pleaded to be allowed bury his father's remains.

Didn't know about the break. That sucks!

Son0vagun

How can you say that episode was *****. It was a great episode, especially the last 20mins. If you're losing patience then best watch something else.

scamalert

One of the better episodes since the bastard king was killed also last minutes were great in court room,combined with ending music,reminded of last season when at weeding wife and mother son were killed when doors were shut ant that sorta sad music started. BTW does anyone know who is composer of the track being played at the end of episode or link to likes of youtube.thx

Mr.Prodston

I thought that was the best episode of the season so far. Peter Dinklage's performance was absolutely fantastic! They can still have Shae in Tywin's bed after this episode so I'm happy about that too. The "unsullied" audience will surely lose sympathy for her too even if it's by her sheer stupidity to not understand what Tyrion did for her!

- Liam Cunningham really brings Davos to life too. I loved that scene and is a great addition to the show. Hopefully we won't see them again until they arrive at the wall Bravos looked epic.

- It was also good to see Dany's actions come back to bite her. Was it a sheep or was it the shepherd's child that was killed in the books by the dragon though? Although I don't recall Hizdhar zo loraq being so sympathetic in the book, although I assume it was an act to gain sympathy.

- A reminder that Jorah was initially a spy too in the small council.

- The Asha "rescue" attempt I'm not sure about but credit to Alfie Allen as he's doing a great job with Reek.

Anybody complaining about filler the past few episodes had better buckle up because starting with this episodes there's going to be more sh!t going down per episode than any tv show ever between now and episode 10

krudler

Really liked the scene between Varys and Oberyn in that episode, Oberyn is a brilliant character can't wait to see the scrap against the Mountain, hope it's not too short.

celica00

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

- It was also good to see Dany's actions come back to bite her. Was it a sheep or was it the shepherd's child that was killed in the books by the dragon though? Although I don't recall Hizdhar zo loraq being so sympathetic in the book, although I assume it was an act to gain sympathy.

It was the shepherds child that was killed in the book!

Paddy Cow

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

- It was also good to see Dany's actions come back to bite her. Was it a sheep or was it the shepherd's child that was killed in the books by the dragon though?

At first it was just sheep and Dany paid them off. Then the farmer came in with the bones of his child. We'll probably see her in a position next week where someone comes in with a bag of bones and she can't buy her way out of it. Then the dragons get locked up. Good luck to whoever tries to put a collar on Drogon!

Although I don't recall Hizdhar zo loraq being so sympathetic in the book, although I assume it was an act to gain sympathy.

What I remember from him was that he asked all the time to have the fighting pits reopened.

- The Asha "rescue" attempt I'm not sure about but credit to Alfie Allen as he's doing a great job with Reek.

That was bizarre. Theon and Asha weren't supposed to meet until much later, when Theon escaped with "Arya" and Asha was a captive of Stannis.

Rosy Posy

celica00 wrote: »

It was the shepherds child that was killed in the book!

She had loads of shepherds coming to her for compensation first. AFAIR she offered three times the worth of the flock and she was counselled to ask for proof or she'd have all the shepherds in the land beating a path to her door so after that she said she needed to see the bones before she would compensate, which was why the shepherd brought her the bones of his child...at least that's how I remembered it. The scene with Drogon was amazing!

I'm really trying to separate the book from the tv show as its departed so much, especially with Theon and the Ironborn. It seems a bit late in the season for them to introduce Victorian and the Crows Eye and the Damphair storyline, I don't know where they're going with that but its interesting viewing. I thought Alfie Allen was brilliant as Reek- so much tension in that bath scene. He's so far gone I can't see him having the (metaphorical) balls to make off with 'Arya'/Jeyne, but maybe he'll get some of his confidence back at Moat Cailin? Are they trying to set Ramsey up as some kind of bad ass fighter being able to fight a load of armoured Ironmen barechested?

I'm not crazy about how they're really spelling out the poisoning of Joffery with the necklace and Ser Dontos' body. I'm guessing that Littlefinger left the necklace in the boat with the quirrell ridden Ser Dontos in order to implicate Sansa which ties it all up a bit better than in the books but surely it would have made more sense for them to have permanently disappeared them. One of the reasons they got away so neatly in the books is because everyone is searching the road for Sansa and Ser Dontos- if they know they escaped by boat and that Dontos was shot then it immediately becomes apparent that there's no point searching the surrounding villages and the kingsroad, and that Ser Dontos was obviously a small and dispensible fish in the escape plot. Just doesn't seem like Littlefinger's style. I did like Margery's obvious discomfort at the untruths in the trial, knowing what she knows, yet she has to make peace with letting someone innocent take the fall for her to become queen.

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Davos is bad ass in the show - in the books I didn't warm to him until Dance With Dragons, but Liam Cunningham makes him so much more likeable.

Like the casting of Hizdhar Zo Loraq - couldn't stand him in the books, as with anyone involved in Dany's story, but the actors they have for Dany's scenes in the show, make them so much more bearable.

All the courtroom stuff at King's Landing was great, but Tyrion snapping at the end and his speech was great. Dinklage should really win all the awards...

cathalio11

Felt a lump in my throat at the end. So powerful.

Very good episode. Thoroughly enjoyed the first 20 minutes as far as I remember, but the magnitude of the ending makes it difficult to remember the rest of the episode.

TimeToShine

I wonder when they're going to introduce Wyman Manderly...Liam Cunningham is going to kick some serious ass in those scenes. Easily some of the best chapters in the book IMO.

Mr.Prodston

TimeToShine wrote: »

I wonder when they're going introduce Wyman Manderly...Liam Cunningham is going to kick some serious ass in those scenes. Easily some of the chapters in the book IMO.

I love Wyman Manderly!! I'd love if they cast Brian Blessed in the role, but that might be down to the fact that I love Brian Blessed :pac:

Mr Freeze

Wyman Manderly, ya, really hope he isn't cut from next season!

Plus, his scenes are full of Freys, and we all love to hate them!

GerB40

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Wyman Manderly, ya, really hope he isn't cut from next season!

Plus, his scenes are full of Freys, and we all love to hate them!

Also, Frey pie!! I hope they leave that in the show.

googled eyes

Enjoyed the episode.

Peter Dinklage's speech at the end was brilliant.

podgemonster

Great episode, only problem was it was too bloody short. The Dragon effects looked excellent and so did Bravos. Davos, Tyrion and The Viper were the standout performances. I prefer an episode which fleshes out a big event rather than hopping to each story line and giving us a little top up.

The most heart-wrenching emotional line...

"The strangler, a poison that few of us possess and used to strike down the most noble child the gods ever put on this good Earth!"

#Justice4Joff

cathalio11

Ser Meryn was very brave giving that testimony. He really didn't have to.

#Justice4Joff

ibarelycare

Really enjoyed that. Such a powerful performance from Peter Dinklage...he'll be making room on his trophy cabinet after that!

Alfie Allen is also playing a blinder. Really impressed with his portrayal of Reek, very difficult to watch (in a good way).

I imagine they put that scene in with Yara as a bit of filler to remind viewers that she's part of the story. It wouldn't have made sense to not have her appear in the season at all considering we saw her leave the Iron Islands at the end of last season in search of her brother.

Can't wait for The Mountain v Oberyn.

Only downside of the episode for me was Dany/Emilia Clarke. Not sure whether I find the character or the acting more irritating!

Witcher

Non readers are really confused about the trial by combat:pac:

ibarelycare

Blay wrote: »

Non readers are really confused about the trial by combat:pac:

Really enjoying their musings this week! Only one person so far thinks it will be The Mountain and Oberyn!

GerB40

ibarelycare wrote: »

Really enjoying their musings this week! Only one person so far thinks it will be The Mountain and Oberyn!

And that's just because they noticed it in one of the season 4 previews. Looks like tv viewers have a lot of surprises coming.

ibarelycare

The last 3 episodes of this season are going to be phenomenal. I think next week will be a bit crap (presumably Bran & co will have to be revisited) but it's all going to kick off then!

The Master

Mockingbird
The Mountain and the Viper
The Watchers on the Wall
The Children

Titles of the last 4 episodes

Should be epic stuff

Witcher

Gregor and Brienne are back next week, LF does his thing and Jon's back on the Wall

Conchir

The Master wrote: »

Titles of the last 4 episodes

Should be epic stuff

Those titles... :O

Seriously excited for the last few episodes now, more than I was before!

mewso

Am I getting mixed up or did they use the same text as the letter John Snow gets much later on?

Anyway good episode for the most part. Looks like Tywin is sending a letter to Dany and presumably this will be how the beans get spilled about Jorah.

* edit and bloody hell that song yet again

Nerdlingr

Amazing last 20 minutes. Cant wait for the fight even more now!! didnt realise it wasnt till two episodes time though.
One thing that slightly, well maybe not annoyed me but..I'd like to see Reek really looking like sh*t. White skin, teeth missing, covered in dog sh*t. He still looks a bit too clean and beefed up for me. Maybe have a few protruding cgi rib bones sticking out!!
Also ramsey fighting with no armour. I'm not having that!! As he was going to open the cage door i thought "Go on, now's your chance!!He's put his knives away..lob his arm off!!"
Anyway, next four episodes should be class... bring it on!!!

From the non-readers thread regarding the trial by combat...

There's no way it's going to be the mountain, he isn't even in kings landing.

Hehehehehehehehehehe, can't wait!!

krudler

Peter Dinklage was phenomenal in that episode.

Peregrine

It was heartbreaking watching Tyrion see Shae walk into the court.



Dinklage was excellent..as usual!

Burt Macklin

krudler wrote: »

Episode 8 is titled "The Mountain And The Viper" least we know whats going to happen that episode.

Not a very subtle title, is it? I mean if a non-reader stumbled across that at the start of the season it would be a bit of a spoiler.

Back on topic, thought it was a very good episode.

-Dany's storyline moving along at a fair old pace and the show is finally addressing the fact that ruling a city is harder than capturing one.

-The whole Yara bit seemed to only be there to remind everyone who she was and set up some future conflict between the Ironborn and the Bolton men. Her escape was very convenient.

-Braavos looks nice. Davos is useful as a smuggler and a PR agent!:D

And of course Dinklage continues to kill it. That speech could well be his tape for the Emmys. Can't wait for next week!

PopePalpatine

Am I the only one slightly peeved by Yara retreating from the Dreadfort so easily?

Witcher

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Am I the only one slightly peeved by Yara retreating from the Dreadfort so easily?

It was either retreat or die because the whole Dreadfort garrison was about to land on them. The alarm had been sounded in the castle.

Knowing when to retreat to save your men is the mark of a good commander.

Nerdlingr

Blay wrote: »

It was either retreat or die because the whole Dreadfort garrison was about to land on them. The alarm had been sounded in the castle.

Knowing when to retreat to save your men is the mark of a good commander.

One minute Ramsey is opening the cage, the next minute Yara is at the boats after outrunning the hounds and the whole of the dreadfort. She's a flyer!

Witcher

Nerdlingr wrote: »

One minute Ramsey is opening the cage, the next minute Yara is at the boats after outrunning the hounds and the whole of the dreadfort. She's a flyer!

No point showing her walking all the way back through the castle and down their rope lines is there?

If they'd actually shown that people would say; 'They didn't need to show that...we could have figured out how she got out ourselves'.

FunLover18

Curse them for making Oberyn such a likeable badass!!

Also, has he changed costume this season or does he just always wear yellow?

Hotale.com

That was so good! Possibly my favourite episode ever

lynski

Yara was not at the dreadfort I thought, deep wood motte?
Other than that cracking episode. So good.

Cienciano

The trial was done brilliantly, loved the look Oberyn gave when Tyrion said trial by combat.

RobbingBandit wrote: »

****e episode, very uncomfortable watching Tyrion suffer, Drogon scene was awesome though, the bath scene was creepier than the rape scene a few weeks ago. I am losing my patience with this show.

Ah here, that was probably the best episode, not just this season, in the entire show!

Witcher

lynski wrote: »

Yara was not at the dreadfort I thought, deep wood motte?
Other than that cracking episode. So good.

It was the Dreadfort, she sailed around Westeros and rowed up the Weeping Water to it.