England WC Squad

Dickerty

For all the anti-England bluff on here, this will still be of interest to many of us who follow Prem teams, so let's have at it.

Cole and Carrick already confirmed as not included, and I think Walker out also, so...

GK: Hart, Forster, Ruddy
DEF: Johnson, Jones, Smalling, Jagielka, Cahill, Stones, Shaw, Baines
MID: Gerrard, Wilshere, Cleverley, Lampard, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling, Milner
ATT: Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert

They are going to win FOOK ALL. As poor a squad as they have ever had.

Mars Bar

I'd be very surprised to see Cleverley on the plane to Brazil.

MagicMarker

Mars Bar wrote: »

I'd be very surprised to see Cleverley on the plane to Brazil.

He's more likely to be an air steward on the ****ing thing.

GavRedKing

What I reckon :

GK: Hart, Forster, Ruddy
DEF: Johnson, Flanagan, Jones, Jagielka, Cahill, Caulker, Shaw, Baines
MID: Gerrard, Wilshere, Barkley, Lampard, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling, Ox-Lade C.
ATT: Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert

Johner

Smalling instead of Flanagan I'd say Gav and I don't think they'll bring Caulker.

Dickerty

Mars Bar wrote: »

I'd be very surprised to see Cleverley on the plane to Brazil.

I wouldn't pick him! But I think Hodge will.
I'd bring Barkley for sure...

Utopia Parkway

Wasn't Cleverly ruled out last night along with Carrick? Well those were the rumours anyway.

GavRedKing

Johner wrote: »

Smalling instead of Flanagan I'd say Gav and I don't think they'll bring Caulker.

Could be, if I was Flanagan and I missed out I'd probably be disappointed, hes played better then Glen J.

Caulker is a bit hit or miss, signs point to him not being brought alright.

I actually had Andy Carroll in at one stage, I forgot Lambert

DoctorGonzo08

I think Smalling for Caulker, Milner for Lampard and Carroll for Lambert. Starting 11 kind of picks itself.

Hart, Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines, Gerrard, Henderson, Ox, Sterling, Rooney, Sturridge.

J. Marston

Cleverley? Holy moly.

greendom

I think Gibbs is very unfortunate to not be in the running. I'd rate him ahead of Flanagan for sure.

Johner

Cleverley isn't in it.

Johner

I think the squad will be,

GK: Hart, Forster, Foster
DEF: Johnson, Smalling, Jones, Jagielka, Cahill, Shaw, Baines
MID: Gerrard, Wilshere, Barkley, Lampard, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling, Ox, Milner.
ATT: Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert

Maybe another centre half instead of one of the mids but not sure who.

Nerdlingr

Apparently Ruddy's been dropped to the reserves as well.

My Pick:
Hart Forster Ruddy
Johnson Flanagan Jagielka Cahill Jones Baines Shaw Caulker
Gerrard Henderson Milner Ox Lallana Sterling Wilshere Barkley
Rooney Lambert Sturridge Wellbeck

Johner

Flanagan is on the standby list anyway.

No Liverpool players Roy cheers

Utopia Parkway

Johner wrote: »

Flanagan is on the standby list anyway.

Apparently this is the standby list.

Andy Carroll (West Ham)
John Stones (Everton)
John Ruddy (Norwich)
Jermain Defoe (Toronto)
Michael Carrick (Man Utd)
Tom Cleverley (Man Utd)
John Flanagan (Liverpool)

Omackeral

Ruddy should be going.

Dickerty

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Hart, Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines, Gerrard, Henderson, Ox, Sterling, Rooney, Sturridge.

I think you have to find room for Wilshere, to be fair. Pushing Ox and Sterling onto the wings leaves you will little creativity in the middle, so Rooney will end up dropping in and doing that job. I'd play Stevie holding, Hendo narrow right and Wilshere narrow left in front of him, with Rooney and Sterling either side of Sturridge in the middle. Johnson and Baines should give enough width in attack, and Hendo & Wilshere protect them...

DoctorGonzo08

Omackeral wrote: »

Ruddy should be going.

So should Flanagan. Especially after Roy's 'build for the future talk about Shaw.

Dickerty

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

So should Flanagan. Especially after Roy's 'build for the future talk about Shaw.

Not the same thing. Flanagan is not someone I think they would be looking at as a potential first choice England player for the next decade...

glued

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

So should Flanagan. Especially after Roy's 'build for the future talk about Shaw.

Two completely different talents.

Johner

Dickerty wrote: »

Johnson and Baines should give enough width in attack, and Hendo & Wilshere protect them...

Johnson is going to be a huge weak link in the back line if he starts.

Dickerty

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Apparently this is the standby list.

John Stones (Everton)
John Ruddy (Norwich)
Tom Cleverley (Man Utd)

So of my original list, bring in David Marshall, Caulker and Ox?

intellectual dosser

I think the fact that they are 'weaker' than previous squads will be a huge advantage. That weight of expectations will be gone before they ever get on the plane, I'd fancy them for quarter finals minimum.

Dickerty

Johner wrote: »

Johnson is going to be a huge weak link in the back line if he starts.

Yes, but in the absence of Walker, he's the best option. Jones and Smalling are better defenders, but not good in attack.

DoctorGonzo08

Dickerty wrote: »

I think you have to find room for Wilshere, to be fair. Pushing Ox and Sterling onto the wings leaves you will little creativity in the middle, so Rooney will end up dropping in and doing that job. I'd play Stevie holding, Hendo narrow right and Wilshere narrow left in front of him, with Rooney and Sterling either side of Sturridge in the middle. Johnson and Baines should give enough width in attack, and Hendo & Wilshere protect them...

That's what I was thinking, with Rooney playing in the hole behind Sturridge. I think that modified 4-4-2 suits England best tbh. Either way I don't think the line up will be good enough to get out of their group anyway.

Dickerty

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I think the fact that they are 'weaker' than previous squads will be a huge advantage. That weight of expectations will be gone before they ever get on the plane, I'd fancy them for quarter finals minimum.

I think a lack of quality, no experience at the latter stages of a major tourno and the conditions will see them lose to both Italy and Uruguay and go home early...

DoctorGonzo08

Dickerty wrote: »

Not the same thing. Flanagan is not someone I think they would be looking at as a potential first choice England player for the next decade...

glued wrote: »

Two completely different talents.

True, but at this current time, there is no standout for that position, and given Flanagans season I think he is the best option with Johnson currently. Smalling is a future CB, and I really don't rate Jones at all. Can't see Walker stepping up to a reliable starter either. Richards is the only one I could see the potential in, but given the amount of injuries he's suffered over the past 2 years, he is as far from consideration as possible at this stage.

slingerz

GK: Hart, Forster, Foster
DEF: Johnson, Jones, Smalling, Jagielka, Cahill, Caulker , Shaw, Baines
MID: Gerrard, Wilshere, Barkley, Oxlade Chamberlain, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling, Milner
ATT: Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert

Starting XI
Hart, Johnson, Baines, Cahill, Jagielka, Gerrard, Henderson, Barkley, Sterling, Rooney, Sturridge

GavRedKing

greendom wrote: »

I think Gibbs is very unfortunate to not be in the running. I'd rate him ahead of Flanagan for sure.

I'd be inclined to play Flanagan at RB, hes a better option then Johnson, Jones or Smalling for my money.

Johnson hasnt exactly been great this year form the 8-10 games I've watched him but its not a broad enough base to drop him completly.

Hodgson will probably play it safe and not bring to many young players and Flanagan may not get a call.

DM_7

Dickerty wrote: »

So of my original list, bring in David Marshall, Caulker and Ox?

David Marshall is Scottish

eagle eye

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

So should Flanagan. Especially after Roy's 'build for the future talk about Shaw.

How on earth should Flanagan be going? Baines and Shaw are miles ahead of him.

DoctorGonzo08

eagle eye wrote: »

How on earth should Flanagan be going? Baines and Shaw are miles ahead of him.

RB option.

intellectual dosser

Dickerty wrote: »

Yes, but in the absence of Walker, he's the best option. Jones and Smalling are better defenders, but not good in attack.

You've lost me, the position is Right Back, but you'd sacrifice two better defenders over an allegedly better attacker?

Pudders

Dickerty wrote: »

So of my original list, bring in David Marshall, Caulker and Ox?

David Marshall, the SCOTTISH keeper?

Yeah, I'd say he'll be on the plane alright........

Soups123

DM-ICE wrote: »

David Marshall is Scottish

Maybe he's the pilot

Lucas Hood

Caulker should be going ahead of Smalling or Jones though the other 2 do can do a job at RB & CM in Jones's case.

upstairs for coffee

I'd take Flanagan. Not as if Hodgson plays an expansive attacking game. He needs defensive solidity and Flanagan is a superior defender than Johnson

eagle eye

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

RB option.

What would he be considered as a right back option? How many times has he played there?

GavRedKing

intellectual dosser wrote: »

You've lost me, the position is Right Back, but you'd sacrifice two better defenders over an allegedly better attacker?

From my picks I'd probably drop Caulker for Smalling as back up and Flanagan as back up to Johnson.

Starting XI will probably be

Hart
Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines
Gerrard Henderson
Sterling Rooney Llana
Sturridge

Maybe Wilshire for Henderson, Barkley I think wont be dropped that far back and Llana ont he left is up for debate with the Ox.

slingerz

GavRedKing wrote: »

From my picks I'd probably drop Caulker for Smalling as back up and Flanagan as back up to Johnson.

Starting XI will probably be

Hart
Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines
Gerrard Henderson
Sterling Rooney Llana
Sturridge

Maybe Wilshire for Henderson, Barkley I think wont be dropped that far back and Llana ont he left is up for debate with the Ox.

Henderson has to be a certainty after his form this season

Beefy78

Dickerty wrote: »

For all the anti-England bluff on here, this will still be of interest to many of us who follow Prem teams, so let's have at it.

Cole and Carrick already confirmed as not included, and I think Walker out also, so...

GK: Hart, Forster, Ruddy
DEF: Johnson, Jones, Smalling, Jagielka, Cahill, Stones, Shaw, Baines
MID: Gerrard, Wilshere, Cleverley, Lampard, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling, Milner
ATT: Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Lambert

They are going to win FOOK ALL. As poor a squad as they have ever had.

Unless we win it (which we won't, of course) we'll win "FOOK ALL". You're not exactly sticking your neck out there.

Worst World Cup squad ever? Maybe. Four years ago we took Steven Warnock, Emile Heskey, Rob Green, Aaron Lennon, Peter Crouch, SWP, Michael Dawson and a one legged Ledley King. I don't think many of them would go today.

DoctorGonzo08

GavRedKing wrote: »

From my picks I'd probably drop Caulker for Smalling as back up and Flanagan as back up to Johnson.

Starting XI will probably be

Hart
Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines
Gerrard Henderson
Sterling Rooney Llana
Sturridge

Maybe Wilshire for Henderson, Barkley I think wont be dropped that far back and Llana ont he left is up for debate with the Ox.

Completely agree with this. Add in the option when they are down and making no headway against Uruguay & Italy to bring on Caroll and play West Ham style hoping for a knock down to Sturridge. Great Plan B.

Beefy78

Dickerty wrote: »

I think you have to find room for Wilshere, to be fair. Pushing Ox and Sterling onto the wings leaves you will little creativity in the middle, so Rooney will end up dropping in and doing that job. I'd play Stevie holding, Hendo narrow right and Wilshere narrow left in front of him, with Rooney and Sterling either side of Sturridge in the middle. Johnson and Baines should give enough width in attack, and Hendo & Wilshere protect them...

That would be my team too.

GavRedKing

slingerz wrote: »

Henderson has to be a certainty after his form this season

True, I think a Liverpool pivot of Gerrard and Henderson would be the best combination but they both need to be very disciplined, bombing on from Henderson will leave Gerrard exposed agaisnt the better teams.

Knex*

Think he'll line up with Gerrard, Henderson, and Wilshire in midfield, with Rooney up top, Sturridge and Sterling out wide. 4-3-3.

Only one I'd see changing, is perhaps Lallana for Wilshire, but Hodgson seems to really value him.

I'd be surprised to see something markedly different from the above, tbh.

Utopia Parkway

eagle eye wrote: »

How on earth should Flanagan be going? Baines and Shaw are miles ahead of him.

He's a RB by trade. He's playing out of position really at LB because Enrique has been injured all season.

DoctorGonzo08

GavRedKing wrote: »

True, I think a Liverpool pivot of Gerrard and Henderson would be the best combination but they both need to be very disciplined, bombing on from Henderson will leave Gerrard exposed agaisnt the better teams.

It will be tough for Gerrard regardless as that is not his position. But there is absolutley no one else to play that position for England. I'd expect Henderson to play tight with Gerrard otherwise they will be in alot of trouble.

eagle eye

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

He's a RB by trade. He's playing out of position really at LB because Enrique has been injured all season.

So basically you are picking a player for right back that you have never seen play there?

I'd pick Jenkinson or Clyne before somebody I have never seen play a position in the Premier League.

Johner

I'd have Clyne over Flanagan anyway for the standby list.