Samsung 55”UE55HU6900 Ultra HD tv 4K

pete

sold out

problem solved so

Barr

I haven't seen anything sell out on ibood in a while.

vibe666

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Thanks o.p brought one there for myself and one for the brother.

pete wrote: »

sold out

problem solved so

That's all your fault Jonjo!

Some bloody miser you are. :pac:

markad1

To everyone who has ordered. ...
Enjoy your new tv, it looks very impressive.
Looking forward to hear how you get on.

bk

HomeBoyDeluxe wrote: »

bk wrote: »

Nope, the PS4 and X1 only support a maximum resolution of 1080p for games and in fact most games on the X1 are only 720p versus 1080p on the PS4.

That does not mean they will not look good on this display, also as stated before this display is not "4K" it is "3,840*2,160 (UHD)"

It means that there would be no noticeable difference over what you would see on a good quality 1080P HD TV.

There may even be a very slightly reduction in quality due to the upconversion process, but only very slight, most probably wouldn't notice without looking very closely.

I would second the earlier advice, the best TV's to buy at the moment are Panasonic Plasmas. Far superior picture quality then any LCD/LED including these 4k TV's

vibe666

You have to but new stuff though, it NEEDS you.

My old man kept putting off buying a CD player for almost 10 years because he said he didn't have any CD's to play in it.

Mind you, I think he was still bitter about getting burnt buying that betamax video player, he never did quite recover from that.

Ush1

To the folks saying there is 1080p tvs with better picture, have you seen a 4k TV with 4k content on it?

The 4k is stunning and pisses all over any 1080p display I've seen. The difference in sharpness is very discernible, and I was about 4 feet or more from a 65 inch 4k TV.

techdiver

Ush1 wrote: »

To the folks saying there is 1080p tvs with better picture, have you seen a 4k TV with 4k content on it?

The 4k is stunning and pisses all over any 1080p display I've seen. The difference in sharpness is very discernible, and I was about 4 feet or more from a 65 inch 4k TV.

I agree, but in the defence of the dissenters, I think they were more concerned with the lack of 4K content being available. From reading many reviews of 4K units with UHD up-scaling, they seem to do a excellent job on up-scaling 1080p content though. It seems that up-scaling 1080p to UHD is better/more successful than SD to HD.

As with all these things, it's quite subjective. I still argue with people over the merits of HD over SD. Some people claim there is no difference.

I have to admit, I did crumble and buy one yesterday. Considering the price including delivery is €1214.90 and the cheapest 55" available in DID is €1,099 for a 1080p model, the extra €100 it is worth it to me. It has the netflix app built in, so at least I can sample some 4K content for real.

bk

Ush1 wrote: »

The 4k is stunning and pisses all over any 1080p display I've seen. The difference in sharpness is very discernible, and I was about 4 feet or more from a 65 inch 4k TV.

That is the problem, no one sits just 4 feet from a 65" TV!!

The average sitting distance from a TV is 9 feet. At that distance the human eye isn't able to discern a difference between 1080P and 4K at sizes less then 80"

BTW this is fact based on studies done into human vision by doctors.

Sure, standing right in front of a massive 65" TV in a show room, it looks great, but no one actually uses a TV in this way in the living room, it just isn't comfortable and it would make you sick after an hour of viewing. Just go look up the THX recommendations for optimum viewing distances, etc.

techdiver

bk wrote: »

That is the problem, no one sits just 4 feet from a 65" TV!!

The average sitting distance from a TV is 9 feet. At that distance the human eye isn't able to discern a difference between 1080P and 4K at sizes less then 80"

BTW this is fact based on studies done into human vision by doctors.

Sure, standing right in front of a massive 65" TV in a show room, it looks great, but no one actually uses a TV in this way in the living room, it just isn't comfortable and it would make you sick after an hour of viewing. Just go look up the THX recommendations for optimum viewing distances, etc.

Recommended distance from a 55" is between 6-7 feet. This is decreased with a 4K set. If you sit between 4-5 feet from the set you will note a marked improvement. I don't believe sitting 5 feet from a 55" TV is too close.

When I receive the set I will compare it to my existing Samsung LE46A656 and post an honest opinion of the difference for both up-scaling and 4K content.

Toast

techdiver wrote: »

I don't believe sitting 5 feet from a 55" TV is too close.

Just for people with trouble with distances most people are taller than five foot so you're talking about watching a TV which is maybe as high as a small child at less distance than a short person lying down. If you've got that sort of setup in your house that's great but most people don't and it would be borderline crazy to most people.

This becomes important when you consider the uptake of 4k for the general masses. The size of set required to get the benefit versus the size of most peoples rooms versus the maximum size set they can actually physicall fit in whatever corner they've assigned means there are a large chunk of people who 4k can never offer an improvement to but that won't stop TV sales people trying to sell it to them. Considering this is a forum about trying to save people money it makes sense to make people aware of this.

techdiver

Toast wrote: »

Considering this is a forum about trying to save people money it makes sense to make people aware of this.

In fairness, the TV is no more expensive than equivalent 1080p models, so it's not as if it's not a bargain if you are in the market for a new TV.

In my living room, we have the TV centred and we sit 6 feet form it. It is perfect.

bk

techdiver wrote: »

In my living room, we have the TV centred and we sit 6 feet form it. It is perfect.

As per the charts I linked to earlier, at 6 feet your eyes won't be able to discern a difference between a 1080p image and a 4k image on a 55" TV

Not saying it won't have a great picture quality and that you won't be happy with it, just buyer beware.

For what you are paying for this TV, you could get a superb Plasma TV which would offer a much better picture quality.

techdiver

bk wrote: »

As per the charts I linked to earlier, at 6 feet your eyes won't be able to discern a difference between a 1080p image and a 4k image on a 55" TV

Not saying it won't have a great picture quality and that you won't be happy with it, just buyer beware.

For what you are paying for this TV, you could get a superb Plasma TV which would offer a much better picture quality.

Those charts only assume for 20/20 vision. Many people have better than 20/20 vision as do I and can discern greater detail at further distances. (http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/)

Anyway, as I said earlier I was willing to take the gamble. I will report back when I receive it.

Ush1

bk wrote: »

That is the problem, no one sits just 4 feet from a 65" TV!!

The average sitting distance from a TV is 9 feet. At that distance the human eye isn't able to discern a difference between 1080P and 4K at sizes less then 80"

BTW this is fact based on studies done into human vision by doctors.

Sure, standing right in front of a massive 65" TV in a show room, it looks great, but no one actually uses a TV in this way in the living room, it just isn't comfortable and it would make you sick after an hour of viewing. Just go look up the THX recommendations for optimum viewing distances, etc.

As I mentioned 4 feet or more and I could clearly see the increased detail.

The fact is whether you can discern it or not the resolution is increased and the technology is better. Can never have too much res!

Rsaeire

Whether 4K content is discernible from 1080p content at a particular viewing distance isn't what should be discussed so much, what 4K content the people who bought this TV will be viewing is what should be discussed.

For those who bought this TV, are you planning on enjoying 1080p content upscaled on your new TV, House of Cards in 4K on Netflix or some other type of content? I ask as I'm interested in the motivation for buying such a TV, besides the fact that it was a bargain.

Captain Chaos

That's actually a bad price. Back in the day I payed €1,100 for a 26" HDTV that could do 720p/1080i. That was at the end of 2005. Now look how cheap a 26" HDTV is if you can still find one that small. 4k will be that cheap in 8-9 years when 4k content will be common and something else will be here to replace it.

Backside

Captain Chaos wrote: »

That's actually a bad price. Back in the day I payed €1,100 for a 26" HDTV that could do 720p/1080i. That was at the end of 2005. Now look how cheap a 26" HDTV is if you can still find one that small. 4k will be that cheap in 8-9 years when 4k content will be common and something else will be here to replace it.

Its already in the pipeline for some countries, Japan will be broadcasting the 2020 Olympics in 8K testing begins 2016, Ireland will still be in 1080i probably lol

Raoul

Backside wrote: »

Its already in the pipeline for some countries, Japan will be broadcasting the 2020 Olympics in 8K testing begins 2016, Ireland will still be in 1080i probably lol

Do you have a link for that Japan showing the olympics in 8k?

Mountjoy Mugger

Raoul wrote: »

Do you have a link for that Japan showing the olympics in 8k?

Here ya go.

vibe666

i think people underestimate how fast technology is moving in regards to HD and UHD content.

physical media is dying and streaming and downloaded media is quickly taking its place.

UPC are reaching up to 1m homes with up to 200Mbps broadband. Magnet and others are providing up to 100Mbps now too and even eircom is being forced to play catchup and invest in high speed infrastructure to try and stay competitive and we even have 50Mbps plus mobile broadband with 4G now, which is ridiculous when you think about it.

even 5 or 6 years ago, who would have seen that previous paragraph becoming a reality in Ireland?

i know there's people out in the country struggling to get 1Mbps, but for the purposes of technology pushing forward, they aren't a significant enough issue if the population centres where the majority are living can get access to it.

new technology exists to either fill a need or create one. i know it doesn't always hit the mark, but overwhelmingly it pushes everything forward and things will develop to use what is there. look how far your mobile phone has come in the last decade, for a lot of people the fact it's even a phone to make calls with is almost an afterthought.

i imagine that most people who want one have a decent sized plasma or LCD now, whether 720p or 1080p, 2D or 3D isn't all that relevant as i think most would stick with what they have once they have one unless it breaks.

4K/UHD is a big jump though, even if it only a perceived jump that isn't actually going to make a huge difference in reality and i think people will "want" a 4K/UHD TV, if they are marketed properly (learning from the mistakes of flogging 3D TV's).

my only obstacle at the moment is that the centre of my TV wall is recessed and there's only enough room for up to a 60" telly with a very slim bezel.

I was very close to getting the ibood and it was only really procrastination that stopped me swapping it for our current 42" 720p samsung plasma.

maybe next time.

branners69

vibe666 wrote: »

physical media is dying and streaming and downloaded media is quickly taking its place.

This sums up why Sony are in the red, they got crucified with the PS3. They assumed a fortune was to be made with blu ray, in reality downloading and streaming killed it!

vibe666 wrote: »

4K/UHD is a big jump though, even if it only a perceived jump that isn't actually going to make a huge difference in reality and i think people will "want" a 4K/UHD TV, if they are marketed properly (learning from the mistakes of flogging 3D TV's).

I think very very few people are concerned with 4k/UHD, there are the elite few who like to keep up with technology who will want to have it. The rest will only have it because they need a new TV and it comes with it!

bk

branners69 wrote: »

I think very very few people are concerned with 4k/UHD, there are the elite few who like to keep up with technology who will want to have it. The rest will only have it because they need a new TV and it comes with it!

Agreed, I think you get to a point with technology of the law of diminishing returns.

Just look at CD/DVDs absolutely everyone upgraded to CD/DVD, but no one upgraded to Super CD as MP3 was "good enough" and more convenient. While more successful then Super CD, Blu Ray suffered much the same issue, with most people opting for "good enough" but more convenient streaming services.

Part of the attraction wasn't just better quality, it was a lot of other things too, much less bulky then cassettes, no rewinding, don't degrade like cassettes, etc. But having gained these advances with CD/DVD, most people just weren't impressed with the slight quality advantage of super CD/Blu Ray.

I see the same happening with 4k TV. I think when we moved from CRT to HD, it was a once in a lifetime event. Yes some people wanted the better picture quality of HD, but I think the majority of people were more impressed by the jump in screen size from CRT and that HD TV's take up much less space and look much nicer then the crappy old CRT TV's

I don't think we will see such a mass upgrade like this again. At least until something truly breakthrough comes like full wall/window TV's I think few people will upgrade their HD TV to 4k TV. The improvement in picture quality just isn't that big. Instead I think people will just continue with their existing HD TV's until they break. Sure they might get 4K TV then if the price premium isn't too much.

I see the take up of 4K TV 's being similar to Blu Ray rather then HD TV's

branners69

bk wrote: »

Just look at CD/DVDs absolutely everyone upgraded to CD/DVD, but no one upgraded to Super CD as MP3 was "good enough" and more convenient. While more successful then Super CD, Blu Ray suffered much the same issue, with most people opting for "good enough" but more convenient streaming services.

Part of the attraction wasn't just better quality, it was a lot of other things too, much less bulky then cassettes, no rewinding, don't degrade like cassettes, etc. But having gained these advances with CD/DVD, most people just weren't impressed with the slight quality advantage of super CD/Blu Ray.

The Sony minidisc suffered the same, a superb device at the time but pretty much a complete failure outside of Asia. Most people were not bothered digitally transferring songs to a minidisc!

bk wrote: »

I see the take up of 4K TV 's being similar to Blu Ray rather then HD TV's

Definitely, especially if there is talk about 8k already (years away mind) but already people will consider 4k outdated!

How will Sky/Freesat get on board with 4k, remove channels so more satellite bandwidth for the premium channels? Personally I am content with 720p/1080i, would prefer if they could provide DTS sound and not just DD!

vibe666

i think that as the technology of UHD/4K matures, the providers will see that the only way to get the most out of it is with a big screen and that will be the push to get people to move from their 32-42" plasma and LCD TV's up to the 55-65" UHD ones.

if you look at the uptake of HDTV's, it seemed (to me at least) that they only really got mainstream uptake when they were under the €1000 mark for one of the low end 40" LCD's. I know it's an arbitrary number in reality, but a lot of people would have seen less than 4 figures as their limit.

We're not quite there yet, despite the whole sales push for the footie that is currently going on, but give it till christmas and the january sales and I have a feeling that the price will have come down and they will become a lot more mainstream.

the other thing is that a lot of the TV's bought around that time when LCD's and plasma's first got popular will be towards the end of their lives and will be ripe for an upgrade.

i'm hopefully optimistic anyway, but only time will tell really.

bk

vibe666 I fear you are being a little over optimistic there

Of course within a few years all new TV's sold will be 4k and as peoples old HD TV's break, they will by default get a 4k TV.

However I don't believe we will see the massive mass upgrade that we saw from CRT to HD. Mainly because HD TV's are "good enough" for most peoples needs.

I don't see many people who already have a 40 to 50" HD TV running out to replace it with the same sized 4K TV, even when the price drops below €1000

Maybe when 80" 4K TV's drop below €1000, then it might happen. But even then it would be limited by peoples house size.

You can clearly see that the whole TV industry is suffering badly. Sony just reported a 1.2 Billion loss, mostly due to the TV section, Pioneer and Panasonic pulling out of plasmas, Samsung and Sony pulling out of OLED. It really isn't looking healthy for the TV market.

vibe666

That's not exactly what I said.

There are a heap of people that bought 32-42" plasmas and LCD's when they dropped below the magic 4 figure mark, which is (imho) when they went from "enthusiast" into "mainstream" (coincidentally around the time of the Celtic tiger which I'm sure helped).

That was a good few years ago now when a LOT of new TV's were shifted, possibly even the apex of TV sales as far as flat screens go and the technology was not as mature as it is now. Even a new good 1080p screen is going to be a significant improvement than one from the mid to late 00's.

Enthusiasts would have gone for a 3D upgrade (possibly) or just an improved panel, but if you already have a half decent 32-42" TV you're unlikely to pay out for a slightly better spec TV of a similar size even if it's much cheaper now as it's not going to be a huge improvement.

BUT a 55" 4K/UHD TV for under a grand is a huge (on paper at least) improvement over that old 32-42" LCD or plasma, particularly if (like a lot of people who didn't know any better at the time) it's a "HD ready" 720p model and I think with Sony, Samsung and pretty much everyone else putting a good chunk of their TV eggs in the 4K/UHD basket, we'll definitely be seeing them hit the 3 figure mark by xmas.

The more I think about it, the more I realise my procrastination on this BA was the right choice this time, but I'll definitely be pulling the trigger in time for xmas.

But yes, I'm definitely an optimist!

Jayprey

Just wondering if anyone bought this model yet? Know it'll be a while before Ibood customers will get theirs. Found a review at hdtvtest.co.uk but can't post the URL here. Maybe one of the veterans here can give it?

Apparently the low 200Hz motion rate is the tvs downfall. Poor motion resolution and no native 24fps (bluray) support would scare the bejeezus out of me. I knew it had to be too good to be true- the review recommends it as a giant digital photo frame!

techdiver

Jayprey wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone bought this model yet? Know it'll be a while before Ibood customers will get theirs. Found a review at hdtvtest.co.uk but can't post the URL here. Maybe one of the veterans here can give it?

Apparently the low 200Hz motion rate is the tvs downfall. Poor motion resolution and no native 24fps (bluray) support would scare the bejeezus out of me. I knew it had to be too good to be true- the review recommends it as a giant digital photo frame!

Here is the review - http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55hu6900-201405233782.htm

Now this concern me big time. WTF are they doing releasing a TV that doesn't have a feature from 5 years ago as standard?

I also noted that the only source of 4K content, (netflix) was not on the TV, despite the fact that it is advertised. I found another customer review that backs this up - http://www.littlewoodsireland.ie/samsung-ue55hu6900-55-inch-smart-4k-ultra-hd-led-tv/1399548415.prd. He claims that he contacted Samsung and they said they were having issues with the netflix app and removed it for now, but would be re-adding it in the near future, whatever that means. Apart from that though, he seems to like it.

I'm seriously thinking about cancelling at this stage.

I hope a couple more reviews come out to verify the findings before I need to decide to cancel or proceed.

techdiver

Ok, may I ask the opinion of you folks.

"If", I were to cancel my iBood order what would you think of replacing it with this:

http://www.currys.ie/Product/samsung-ue60f6300-smart-60andrdquo-led-tv/318244/6.9.1

Seems like a good set with a decent price and an extra 5 inches. It's not 4K though.

dos29

techdiver wrote: »

Ok, may I ask the opinion of you folks.

"If", I were to cancel my iBood order what would you think of replacing it with this:

http://www.currys.ie/Product/samsung-ue60f6300-smart-60andrdquo-led-tv/318244/6.9.1

Seems like a good set with a decent price and an extra 5 inches. It's not 4K though.

Would it not be swapping UHD(4k) and quad core processor for dual core processor and 5 more inches?
Both 200hz.

techdiver

dos29 wrote: »

Would it not be swapping UHD(4k) and quad core processor for dual core processor and 5 more inches?
Both 200hz.

I think the description is wrong. The 60" one is actually 240hz which means no judder on 24fps.

The reviews back this up.

My main concern with the HU6900 is the scathing review of its motion clarity and judder on 24fps sources. For a home cinema that is critical.

techdiver

Hey guys,

Just to give you all a heads up.

I went into Harvey Normans today and they had the 50" version of the HU6900. I asked for a Blu-ray to be put on which they duly obliged. The picture looks stunning in normal slow moving conditions and if, as I assume, the higher end models can up-scale in the same way, then 4K is most certainly not a fad!

As expected the motion plus was active giving the movie the "soap opera" effect. I turned it off to view the movie as normal and this is where is motion judder was clearly evident. It was shocking in fact. Unfortunately as motion came into the picture, it did in fact fall apart as the review states. The only way to get rid of it is to turn on the motion plus and re-introduce the "soap opera" effect.

I'm not willing to take the risk and have duly cancelled my order on iBood. I'm actually going to wait a while, save a bit more and purchase a higher end model as I think it would be false economy to go for a budget model considering how i obsess about picture quality and calibration on my TV's and the fact that motion judder drives me cracked!

I might go for the UE65HU8500. That might take me the rest of the year to save for though!

bk

techdiver wrote: »

I went into Harvey Normans today and they had the 50" version of the HU6900. I asked for a Blu-ray to be put on which they duly obliged. The picture looks stunning in normal slow moving conditions and if, as I assume, the higher end models can up-scale in the same way, then 4K is most certainly not a fad!

Blu-ray isn't actually 4k, they are 1080p, so it was upconverted to 4k, so there would actually be no difference between this and any other decent 1080p TV. In fact in most reviews, they find upconverting actually causes a slightly inferior picture quality.

This sounds like a repeat of the whole LCD versus Plasma thing, people thought LCD's looked far better then Plasmas and yes they did, LCD looked way better under the bright florescent lights of a retail store, but Plasmas looked way better with the lights off at home, you know how most people actually watch TV.

It is hilarious that you are all cancelling your orders for this TV now, it just goes to show how the rotten TV industry works. Sell a crappy TV on a fancy marketing gimmick, e.g. 3D TV, Smart TV and now 4k TV, rather then putting in the effort of building actually good, quality TV's using Plasma and OLED.

As for the 60", I haven't read any reviews for it, but I think you would get more enjoyment from the extra 5" then the theoretical 4k, when so little native 4k media exists.

My only regret about my beautiful 50" Pioneer Plasma is that I didn't buy the 60"

I'd also recommend you check out the Panasonic Plasmas, they are the best TV's currently available.

techdiver

bk wrote: »

Blu-ray isn't actually 4k, they are 1080p, so it was upconverted to 4k, so there would actually be no difference between this and any other decent 1080p TV. In fact in most reviews, they find upconverting actually causes a slightly inferior picture quality.

I know the difference and I was assuming that everyone else here knew the difference between source 2160p and up-scaled 1080p. While I agree with most of what you say, I will still have to disagree with you on this point. If you read the reviews for the decent high end 4K TV's they will say the 4K up-scaling is amazing, plus I witnessed it with my own eyes. Where you will encounter issues is in the up scaling of lower resolution such as SD.

bk wrote: »

This sounds like a repeat of the whole LCD versus Plasma thing, people thought LCD's looked far better then Plasmas and yes they did, LCD looked way better under the bright florescent lights of a retail store, but Plasmas looked way better with the lights off at home, you know how most people actually watch TV.

It is hilarious that you are all cancelling your orders for this TV now, it just goes to show how the rotten TV industry works. Sell a crappy TV on a fancy marketing gimmick, e.g. 3D TV, Smart TV and now 4k TV, rather then putting in the effort of building actually good, quality TV's using Plasma and OLED.

Based on the reviews, it only seems like the HU6900 that has these issues and not the higher end HU7500 or HU8500. The reason I trust the reviews is because they are consistent and I confirmed the issues myself in person.

I'm sure normal TV at 50Hz will look great on the HU6900, but I'm in the market for a Home Cinema TV for mainly playing 24fps source material.

I'm going to probably hold out for either the 7500 or 8500, budget permitting.

branners69

bk wrote: »

Blu-ray isn't actually 4k, they are 1080p, so it was upconverted to 4k, so there would actually be no difference between this and any other decent 1080p TV. In fact in most reviews, they find upconverting actually causes a slightly inferior picture quality.

This sounds like a repeat of the whole LCD versus Plasma thing, people thought LCD's looked far better then Plasmas and yes they did, LCD looked way better under the bright florescent lights of a retail store, but Plasmas looked way better with the lights off at home, you know how most people actually watch TV.

It is hilarious that you are all cancelling your orders for this TV now, it just goes to show how the rotten TV industry works. Sell a crappy TV on a fancy marketing gimmick, e.g. 3D TV, Smart TV and now 4k TV, rather then putting in the effort of building actually good, quality TV's using Plasma and OLED.

As for the 60", I haven't read any reviews for it, but I think you would get more enjoyment from the extra 5" then the theoretical 4k, when so little native 4k media exists.

My only regret about my beautiful 50" Pioneer Plasma is that I didn't buy the 60"

I'd also recommend you check out the Panasonic Plasmas, they are the best TV's currently available.

Fully agree, but if you are in the market for a Panasonic Plasma best hurry as they stopped production the end of last year and sales were to cease the end of March 2014!

I now have a Pioneer and Panasonic plasma, in another year or so when I am upgrading I have no idea what I will do if there are no plasmas to choose from! There was talk of Pioneer getting back into the TV game but only LED and not plasma

Denisoftus

techdiver wrote: »

I'm sure normal TV at 50Hz will look great on the HU6900, but I'm in the market for a Home Cinema TV for mainly playing 24fps source material.

Thanks man for your honest review, I poped in to HN myself but they only had 55" 7500 model on display which looks fantastic, its quoted to be 1000Hz (200Hz real???), comparing to HU6900 200Hz (100Hz real???) should also make a difference.

Anyways how another type of content plays on this TV, like Netflix 1080p/4k, ps4/xbox movies, youtube, etc. I forgot when do I last time played any bluray, nowadays we all play streamed content, do we Is the only issue with 24fps content?

techdiver

Denisoftus wrote: »

Thanks man for your honest review, I poped in to HN myself but they only had 55" 7500 model on display which looks fantastic, its quoted to be 1000Hz (200Hz real???), comparing to HU6900 200Hz (100Hz real???) should also make a difference.

Anyways how another type of content plays on this TV, like Netflix 1080p/4k, ps4/xbox movies, youtube, etc. I forgot when do I last time played any bluray, nowadays we all play streamed content, do we Is the only issue with 24fps content?

I didn't view any non 24fps content on it, so I can't comment, but based on the fact that it natively displays 50Hz it shouldn't be an issue for TV and streaming (as long as the streaming rate is 50Hz). The fact the the TV is designed to utilise Netflix, means it should work fine, especially for the native 4K content.

When you viewed the 7500, was it running the demo content or was it running a blu-ray?

Denisoftus

Thanks for your reply, I hope it will work just fine with 50Hz, thanks anyway.

techdiver wrote: »

When you viewed the 7500, was it running the demo content or was it running a blu-ray?

It was running Demo, I'm afraid they had no Bluray connected, but I suppose if you serious with your intention to buy they will connect the player; for me they couldn't even find the remote so I couldn't play with the settings Instead, I had to play with "curved" 65' one, which menu for its quad-core was really sluggish, I wonder will TV interface ever be as good as Apple TV, or we always have to use Apple devices with it

bk

branners69 wrote: »

I now have a Pioneer and Panasonic plasma, in another year or so when I am upgrading I have no idea what I will do if there are no plasmas to choose from! There was talk of Pioneer getting back into the TV game but only LED and not plasma

I know, it is shocking that my 5 year old Pioneer is still better then any TV made today!

I cringe to think what I'll do if it ever breaks. My hope is that it lasts until OLED's come down to a reasonable price.

The only thing that has me thinking about upgrading is that my living room could do with a 60 to 65" (my Pio is a 50") but then I'm thinking it might be a better idea to move to a projector and a 120" screen for movies and stick to the Pioneer for everything else.

Just not sure about that, I've never seen a projector in a persons home, so I'm not sure how good the experience really is.

branners69

bk wrote: »

I know, it is shocking that my 5 year old Pioneer is still better then any TV made today!

I cringe to think what I'll do if it ever breaks. My hope is that it lasts until OLED's come down to a reasonable price.

The only thing that has me thinking about upgrading is that my living room could do with a 60 to 65" (my Pio is a 50") but then I'm thinking it might be a better idea to move to a projector and a 120" screen for movies and stick to the Pioneer for everything else.

Just not sure about that, I've never seen a projector in a persons home, so I'm not sure how good the experience really is.

I know it is amazing the tech in the Pioneers TVs. I havent seen any OLED TVs but will check them out at the time!

I have a projector for the past 3 or so years and it still has the wow factor. I play console games (Call of Duty/Batman etc) and watch good action/drama films on it. Also if there are two sporting events on, I will watch one on my Pioneer and the other on the projector!

The kids love having a cinema night! Have to say even Frozen is watchable on a 120" screen! They only thing is the room has to be pitch black for the best picture!

Denisoftus

Lads, went to other store to see it live, and 50" one was on display, rotating some different content over HDMI switch, also I noticed some 4K content on USB stick and played it too. I had remote this time I could change any settings. What I must say I'm confused with previous feedback and reviews online. SmartHub wasn't activated so I can't confirm about Netflix.

First off all it WAS playing 24p content, at least, the INFO button showed so, it was a trailer with quite dynamic picture and I didn't see anything falling apart, really, maybe I don't have an eye for it .

Then it was 30p, 60i content and nothing was wrong too.

I'm not sure what the source was, it could be that hdmi switch was ruining the picture but the picture wasn't great, it was kinda greyish and sort of "faded" like an old photograph, no bright colours I noticed. But again this could be because of the hdmi switch.

When I found the 4K content I was really impressed with the picture, I was wondering what refresh rate it is running as INFO button didn't show it to me.

Further more, behind this TV it was a beautiful 50" Panasonic Plasma GT60B, which reviewed as "reference model" by hdtvtest. And I wasn't impressed with it at all, the motion blur was there, not sure how is it possible, maybe its not that, just slow screen reaction, but definitely was something, also it was kinda flickering on white, having both plasmas and LED screens at home for a long time and sold them, I not really sure I do want to go back to plasma.

I hoped this visit bring me some clarity but instead I'm even more confused. I liked UHD content on this TV very much, I didn't notice any motion blur on 24p/30p/60i content with al the motion settings OFF, and standard or game mode. But I didn't like the way it looked, comparing to other TV running other demos it was kinda weird to see this one showing such a dark "uncoloured" picture.

Hope in a couple of days there will be a few more reviews published to consider, for the moment I don't want to change this one to plasma.

What do you think guys?

Added: Forgot to mention, I didn't find any settings to switch on/off uhd upscaling and the 1080p picture didn't show any sign of it, is it always on, or could it be a different model altogether ?

Rsaeire

Denisoftus, the only way I know that you'd be able to get a really good understanding of the picture quality differences between the 4K and the Panasonic GT60B would be to watch the same content in a light controlled environment and have control of the picture settings. I know the Sony Centre stores used to have these types of "living room" setups but I don't think the likes of Currys/PC World, Harvey Norman do; I could be wrong but I've never seen them.

The reason I'm suggesting the above is that you're not going to be able to see a valid comparison with your own eyes unless you have more control. The way the TVs are setup in these types of stores, as has been mentioned already, is by having everything seemingly set to max while the picture burns your eyes!

Other than the above, you could use reliable review sites, e.g. like HDTV Test, to understand not only the technical capabilities of the TVs you're interested in but the experienced opinions of the reviewers. I've bought several TVs based on their reviews and have been happy that I did.

Denisoftus

Thanks Rsaeire, I had an opportunity to play with the settings on both devices, but I know what you mean, it isn't impossible to see the same content on two TVs in the stores like that. Same time I've seen FullHD picture on plasma and wasn't happy with it, dithering was too noticeable, also other issues I mentioned in my previous post, maybe it is just this set.

I don't like dithering, someone maybe not bothered, so I'm thinking to stick with the one or wait and upgrade to 7500/8500, but the trouble is I already sold all of my TVs

bk

Excellent advice from Rsaeire here.

I always cringe when I walk into a curry's etc. They in no way reflect the experience people will get in their homes.

How many peoples homes have bright, white florescent lights and high ceilings?!!!

No one, everyone watches movies with the lights turned off.

Plamas suffer badly from this, they look awful under the bright lights, LCD's on burn your eyes out settings look far better under bright lights. But then in the real world, in a dark room, LCD/LEDs look far too bright and the colours unnatural, while Plamas are perfect and natural.

All my friends come around to my place for movie night, we never go to their place, despite them all having 50" LCD/LEDs, they all agree that my Plasma looks far superior. But in Currys it looked terrible!

Also I cringe when I see people basically stand right in front of TV's in currys. No one watches a TV this way. You can only do this for a few minutes, do this for an extended period (a whole movie) and your eyes will start to hurt and water and you will likely end up with a headache. Realistically most people will be sitting 9 feet or so away from the TV. You should measure the distance you will be sitting from the TV and then review the TV's in the shops at this distance (and preferably in a darkened room).

Also you should be wary of reviewing the content supplied by the manufactures. Often they will use content that takes the best advantage of their TV's, but might not be realistic.

Notice how a lot of the 4k content is often very slow moving vistas and scenery. They very seldom show fast moving action, more realistic to the majority of content people watch. They do this as it is much harder to notice the difference between 4k and 1080p on fast moving content like most people watch then an almost still image.

So as you can see, it can be really really hard to properly review TV's

techdiver

bk wrote: »

Notice how a lot of the 4k content is often very slow moving vistas and scenery. They very seldom show fast moving action, more realistic to the majority of content people watch. They do this as it is much harder to notice the difference between 4k and 1080p on fast moving content like most people watch then an almost still image.

This is very true and the reason I asked for a blu ray to be put on when I looked at the HU6900. The "test" material supplied by the manufacturer is specifically designed to show off the colour etc, but without stressing the motion processing of the TV.

I would also echo the sentiments of reading reviews. They tend to be on the money in my experience and a good guide to know what to look out for.

I am now looking at the HU7500 (essentially the non curved version of the HU8500) which received 5 stars from whathifi (the only 4K set to do so) and a "Highly Recommended" from HDTVtest.

It's also useful, to try bringing a USB drive or external hard drive with movies and clips utilising different frame rates and motion ranges to test in store.

Denisoftus

Was in store again and looked at 50HU6900 vs 55HU8500 (curved), setup next to each other, had remotes and put similar settings. I put same demo on both and I must say 8500 is definitely a superior model, no wonder it is 1K more expensive, in store 55-6900 was around 2K, 55-8500 curved 3K. I don't think I ever be able to spend 2-3K on TV set, so for the moment I'll stick with iBood order, and if I'm completely dissatisfied with it, I'll change it later.

To be honest I kinda liked curved TV and going forward I might get one

As for the plasmas, I nearly bought 55GT65B last "on display" set for 899, but spotted a scratch in the middle of the screen which ruined the day

Thanks for your advises and reviews guys.

If next two days doesn't change anything I'll post here my own view of 6900.

Denisoftus

Under constant pressure of thinking about the lack of 24p, motion issues, I finally decided to cancel the order and get instead last year model UE55F9000, which is top of the range, but quite out of dated. Not sure if it is the best decision but the time will show. My friend still holds to the iBood order and we will be able to do a proper testing in home environment

Thanks everyone for feedback.

Rsaeire

Thanks for the update. Let us know your experience with your new TV and also how it compares to your friend's.

techdiver

I just pulled the trigger and bought the UE65HU7500.

Should have it in 2 weeks. I will update you all when I get it with a report.

It has gotten great reviews across the board. The avforums review even states that it is plasma like in its contrast and screen uniformity with excellent black levels.

http://www.whathifi.com/review/samsung-ue65hu7500

http://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ue-55-48-65-hu7500-4k-ultra-hd-led-television-review.10361

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55hu7500-201405083761.htm