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mickman

Huddlestone in the FA cup final tomorrow - looks like he has a better career after leaving spurs

Will our players ever see an FA cup final again ?

Sugarlumps

mickman wrote: »

Huddlestone in the FA cup final tomorrow - looks like he has a better career after leaving spurs

Will our players ever see an FA cup final again ?

Been injury free since going there also. When Hull and Arsenal met last in the league himself and Livermore controlled the game. Scoreline flattered Arsenal. Hull will get chances, just need to take them.

DubPerryman

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Winning the Dutch League 4 times in a row is akin to winning the Scottish PL 4 times in a row. FDB may be no better or worse than Neil Lennon for all we know.

In fairness to FDB, when he went in to the Ajax job Ajax had not won the league in 5 years. They were low on confidence and player quality, he turned it around and they've won the league every year for the four years since.

He did this while playing against PSV, Feyenoord, AZ and Twente all teams with recent champions league experience.

Neil Lennon only started winning leagues in Scotland when it became a one team league. His stiffest competition coming from Motherwell and Aberdeen.... not sure when each last played in the Champions League.

DubPerryman

I hear that this article is fairly accurate, in terms of various people in he club's management want different people to replace TS...

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.ie/2014/05/lewispochettino-vs-levybenitez-vs.html


Joe Lewis wants Pochettino

Daniel Levy wants Benitez

Franco Baldini wants De Boer

yiddo59

DubPerryman wrote: »

I hear that this article is fairly accurate, in terms of various people in he club's management want different people to replace TS...

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.ie/2014/05/lewispochettino-vs-levybenitez-vs.html


Joe Lewis wants Pochettino

Daniel Levy wants Benitez

Franco Baldini wants De Boer

For once I'm with Levy .

irishmover

yiddo59 wrote: »

For once I'm with Levy .

So you weren't with him when he was signing those players last summer? Or signing Modric, Berbatov etc.. Announcing stadium plans. Recruiting Harry Redknapp and so on?

You've been against everything he's done from day one?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tom1ie

DubPerryman wrote: »

I hear that this article is fairly accurate, in terms of various people in he club's management want different people to replace TS...

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.ie/2014/05/lewispochettino-vs-levybenitez-vs.html


Joe Lewis wants Pochettino

Daniel Levy wants Benitez

Franco Baldini wants De Boer

Well if we are gonna get Pochettino which is looking increasingly likely were gonna have to sign a pacy centre half cause he bases his play on a high defensive line. Dawson in that system will be a disaster verts if he's still around might do alright vlad is pacy but I'm still not sure about him and kaboul will more than likely be missing for a good chunk of the season going by his injury record. Are any of the Southampton CB's particularly pacy?

Martin567

Sugarlumps wrote: »

Been injury free since going there also. When Hull and Arsenal met last in the league himself and Livermore controlled the game. Scoreline flattered Arsenal. Hull will get chances, just need to take them.

Hull finished 16th! Arsenal won 3-0 in the game you refer to above!

The grass is not always greener everywhere else. Ridiculous to imply that Spurs would be stronger with Huddlestone & Livermore in the team.

yiddo59

irishmover wrote: »

So you weren't with him when he was signing those players last summer? Or signing Modric, Berbatov etc.. Announcing stadium plans. Recruiting Harry Redknapp and so on?

You've been against everything he's done from day one?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lighten up man. It's just a phrase. Of course I'm not against everything he's done. Though I could go on and list all his cock ups but we have another thread for that
For what it's worth I think Levy's been a good chairman but not a great one. (Better than Sugar) He's reached a glass ceiling and I'll be happy when he's gone.

Sugarlumps

Martin567 wrote: »

Hull finished 16th! Arsenal won 3-0 in the game you refer to above!

The grass is not always greener everywhere else. Ridiculous to imply that Spurs would be stronger with Huddlestone & Livermore in the team.

Yep.

Ormus

Martin567 wrote: »

Hull finished 16th! Arsenal won 3-0 in the game you refer to above!

The grass is not always greener everywhere else. Ridiculous to imply that Spurs would be stronger with Huddlestone & Livermore in the team.

Yeah if they controlled the game in a 3-0 defeat, they'd have to be brought up on match fixing charges.

jobeenfitz

yiddo59 wrote: »

For once I'm with Levy .

Unusually I am against Levy on this one but whoever gets it I hope he is given enough time. I hope we are not looking for his head to roll by Christmas if we are not in the top four. We seem to be an impatient bunch!

Glebee

DubPerryman wrote: »

I hear that this article is fairly accurate, in terms of various people in he club's management want different people to replace TS...

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.ie/2014/05/lewispochettino-vs-levybenitez-vs.html


Joe Lewis wants Pochettino

Daniel Levy wants Benitez

Franco Baldini wants De Boer

Quick lets listen to Baldinis advice. It's been so good so far.

SuprSi

Why don't we get all 3. Survival of the fittest, surely 1 of then will work out!

Jason 5pu45

Joe Lewis has no interest in football and has only showed up at WHL on a handfull of occasions.His 2 loves are tennis and golf.Mr.Lewis quite simply wants to see a healthy return on his money each year-something Daniel Levy is tasked with ensuring.
Joe Lewis could not care if we never won another game as long as we are profitable.
I would severely doubt he even knows who Pochettino is.

Ormus

Jason 5pu45 wrote: »

Joe Lewis has no interest in football and has only showed up at WHL on a handfull of occasions.His 2 loves are tennis and golf.Mr.Lewis quite simply wants to see a healthy return on his money each year-something Daniel Levy is tasked with ensuring.
Joe Lewis could not care if we never won another game as long as we are profitable.
I would severely doubt he even knows who Pochettino is.

I'd severely doubt he doesn't.

DubPerryman

Bookies odds today...

Pochettino 8/15
De Boer 3/1
Benitez 7/1
Mancini 8/1


Mancini's price has plummeted over night.

Benitez and Mancini are a solution for two years/three years max.

While De Boer and Pochettino would suggest the board are looking long term.

Though, we know that 'long term' doesn't really exist. That's why I'd probably prefer Benitez or Mancini.

Charliebull

Pochettino would be a joke and how anyone thinks he would be an upgrade on sherwood is beyond me

he was blessed with a crop of brilliant players at Southampton, even with them, over two games he could not get the better of dim tim

to take us to the next level we need benitez, even if that is only for 3 years, comparing with available managers his record is unrivaled, unless of course people believe the pipe dream that we could get ancelotti, i am afraid that was a bit like the LVG dream

Ormus

DubPerryman wrote: »

Bookies odds today...

Pochettino 8/15
De Boer 3/1
Benitez 7/1
Mancini 8/1


Mancini's price has plummeted over night.

Benitez and Mancini are a solution for two years/three years max.

While De Boer and Pochettino would suggest the board are looking long term.

Though, we know that 'long term' doesn't really exist. That's why I'd probably prefer Benitez or Mancini.

I agree that long term managers are a pipe dream, but don't see why Mancini and Benitez would automatically be shorter term than the other two?

Ormus

Charliebull wrote: »

Pochettino would be a joke and how anyone thinks he would be an upgrade on sherwood is beyond me

he was blessed with a crop of brilliant players at Southampton, even with them, over two games he could not get the better of dim tim

to take us to the next level we need benitez, even if that is only for 3 years, comparing with available managers his record is unrivaled, unless of course people believe the pipe dream that we could get ancelotti, i am afraid that was a bit like the LVG dream

He hasn't been a joke at Southampton.

Good managers get the best out of their players. Pochettino seems to have done that at Southampton and did it playing nice football too. Sherwood did neither at Spurs.

If he got the best out of Spurs players and got us playing football, who knows where we could go.

Charliebull

Ormus wrote: »

He hasn't been a joke at Southampton.

Good managers get the best out of their players. Pochettino seems to have done that at Southampton and did it playing nice football too. Sherwood did neither at Spurs.

If he got the best out of Spurs players and got us playing football, who knows where we could go.

yes but good players also make average managers look good,
if he is appointed i will support him but i dont think he is the right choice

DubPerryman

Ormus wrote: »

I agree that long term managers are a pipe dream, but don't see why Mancini and Benitez would automatically be shorter term than the other two?

From what I've read, Pochettino and FDB would be longer-term because they focus on youth development. Whereas Benitez and Mancini aren't too bothered about youth development and focus on the first team, thus looking to achieve short-term success.

Ormus

DubPerryman wrote: »

From what I've read, Pochettino and FDB would be longer-term because they focus on youth development. Whereas Benitez and Mancini aren't too bothered about youth development and focus on the first team, thus looking to achieve short-term success.

Ah ok sorry I thought you were referring to how long they would stay.

rob316

DubPerryman wrote: »

From what I've read, Pochettino and FDB would be longer-term because they focus on youth development. Whereas Benitez and Mancini aren't too bothered about youth development and focus on the first team, thus looking to achieve short-term success.

You don't know much about Benitez so, he battled with the Liverpool board for a long time for control of the academy. He totally overhauled it, by bringing in the best from La Masia and now coupled with a manager who believes in youth we are finally starting to see the benefits.

Spurs don't want a manager though they want a head coach.

terrymccarthy05

FDB is back in the frame.

mushykeogh

terrymccarthy05 wrote: »

FDB is back in the frame.

Whats the latest? I have no idea who i would like to get this job.

2nd Row Donkey

.. well FBD ain't getting the Barca job and he sure has been quiet in recent weeks compared to 5-6 weeks ago.

Charliebull

Roddy Collins is available

yiddo59

Charliebull wrote: »

Roddy Collins is available

Spurs will have to make the first move. The Hot Rod doesn't apply for jobs

Meanwhile the Evening Standard are reporting that Southampton are looking for a new manager to replace Pochettino

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/southampton-search-for-new-boss-as-tottenham-close-in-on-mauricio-pochettino-9402206.html

DildoFaggins

Paul Lambert :pac:

awkwardboy

Ranieri anyone?

pleasant Co.

awkwardboy wrote: »

Ranieri anyone?

Please no, wouldn't have much faith in him at all.

Hatch99

Southampton sacked the 2 guys part responsible for developing some of there top young players, strange timing, dodd and williams were highly thought of

mushykeogh

Hatch99 wrote: »

Southampton sacked the 2 guys part responsible for developing some of there top young players, strange timing, dodd and williams were highly thought of

Joining Pocchy in London?! Would be unusual for a manager to bring his youth dev coaches with him, good in many ways,just unusual.

2nd Row Donkey

My only concern with Pocchy (is that what we calling him going forward ) is that he hasn't won anything in his career. In fact all he has done is led two team to mid table comfortability, do we really want that again.

Team From To Record G W D L Win % Espanyol 20 January 2009 26 November 2012 161 53 38 70 32.92 Southampton 18 January 2013 Present 60 23 18 19 38.33 Total 221 76 56 89 34.39

Then again, winning trophies at a previous club is no guarantee of success for us (AVB, Ramos etc)

I think he will get us playing a great style of football but will be be able to improve upon the points total that AVB and TS managed in the last 2 years. I doubt it.

Glebee

Can't see what the optimism is for Pocchy. He would still be only learning his trade at Spurs. Surely we need a manager with a proven track record. Anything else is a huge gamble. At the moment no available names stand out.

mushykeogh

Glebee wrote: »

Can't see what the optimism is for Pocchy. He would still be only learning his trade at Spurs. Surely we need a manager with a proven track record. Anything else is a huge gamble. At the moment no available names stand out.

The problem is there is no one available with a proven track record. Either FDB or Pocchy will be cheap and a gamble with a possibility of proving to be successful young managers. It has Levytastic all over it.

Glebee

Maybe we should have held onto Tim until a suitable candidate became available. Good managers are few and far between and the possibility of unearthing the next great thing is 1 in a million.

same ol sh1te

Glebee wrote: »

Maybe we should have held onto Tim until a suitable candidate became available. Good managers are few and far between and the possibility of unearthing the next great thing is 1 in a million.

Tim was probably shown respect by being let go early in the summer, give him time to find another appointment. We've needed a manager since AVB was discharged

Hatch99

Another new manager.
In to June soon and not appointed.
Transition period BS.
A manager taking over a squad that he didn't assemble.
Will he be given funds or be told to sell before buying?
Several of our better players appear very unhappy.
Our 2 record signings were huge flops.

Somebody give me some positives :mad:

positivenote

FDB is near begging to be approached, and for me would be a better option than Pochettino. Id say, mad as it may seem, that levy is waiting to see what happens in the CL final. If real dont win, I could see Anchellotti being replaced, this could lead to a serious domino effect... maybe he could even end up with us, as he has declared his love for london life. Whatever happens I'll be getting fully behind whoever it is.

on another issues, how do we measure success? doing the best we ever have done, points wise, in the PL (avb)? Winning our last trophy (Ramos)? sure these have to be considered partially successful managers...

same ol sh1te

Hatch99 wrote: »

Another new manager.
In to June soon and not appointed.
Transition period BS.
A manager taking over a squad that he didn't assemble.
Will he be given funds or be told to sell before buying?
Several of our better players appear very unhappy.
Our 2 record signings were huge flops.

Somebody give me some positives :mad:

That's not how Levy sees it, we are not looking for a manager, but for a coach. We are set up like a European Club, where we have a director of football, the club buys the players and the coach just looks after them. The average European turnaround on coaches is 2 years

Hatch99

positivenote wrote: »

FDB is near begging to be approached, and for me would be a better option than Pochettino. Id say, mad as it may seem, that levy is waiting to see what happens in the CL final. If real dont win, I could see Anchellotti being replaced, this could lead to a serious domino effect... maybe he could even end up with us, as he has declared his love for london life. Whatever happens I'll be getting fully behind whoever it is.

on another issues, how do we measure success? doing the best we ever have done, points wise, in the PL (avb)? Winning our last trophy (Ramos)? sure these have to be considered partially successful managers...

FDB done a bit too much talking a few weeks back when he should have kept his mouth shut, but whoever it is I'll back him.

We need a fcuking trophy.

Hatch99

same ol sh1te wrote: »

That's not how Levy sees it, we are not looking for a manager, but for a coach. We are set up like a European Club, where we have a director of football, the club buys the players and the coach just looks after them. The average European turnaround on coaches is 2 years

But sure Levy will change his mind in 2 years time :mad:

2nd Row Donkey

mushykeogh wrote: »

The problem is there is no one available with a proven track record. Either FDB or Pocchy will be cheap and a gamble with a possibility of proving to be successful young managers. It has Levytastic all over it.

Totally agree. Pochetta and FDB are Levy managers. A bit like the players we buy... potential but never proven.

jobeenfitz

Hatch99 wrote: »

Another new manager.
In to June soon and not appointed.
Transition period BS.
A manager taking over a squad that he didn't assemble.
Will he be given funds or be told to sell before buying?
Several of our better players appear very unhappy.
Our 2 record signings were huge flops.

Somebody give me some positives :mad:

Two positives; Erikson and Lloris.

Lamella could come good yet, he hasn't played much, bit like a new signing and hopefully well settled?

There are no guarantees but Soldado could also improve greatly after his first season.

Bentalab and Harry Kane coming through are also positives.

Spurs have a very good squad, Sandro, Dembele, Ade (when in the mood) to mention a few. There are many others who with proper management could make us very strong next season.

I am sure Levy/Lewis will make some money available to new manager if he wants to add something extra to the team.

Spurs are not perfect, not by a long shot but there are lots of positives.

Ormus

Glebee wrote: »

Can't see what the optimism is for Pocchy. He would still be only learning his trade at Spurs. Surely we need a manager with a proven track record. Anything else is a huge gamble. At the moment no available names stand out.

Rodgers is still learning his trade at Liverpool. Guardiola had zero track record when appointed by Barca.

If we want someone proven in the Premiership, we'd probably get Moyes.

I'd prefer us to push the boat out a bit with someone who'll get us playing with style and who has potential.

buffalo909

We need our next manager to be given time to build something, 6th place wasn't a disaster but there were some spineless performances this year, Benitez would have the authority and command the respect to get us going in the right direction, but as has been said already here wouldn't really expect him to leave CL football for EL. How sad would it be to see Moyes in the dugout..........

Glebee

Neil Lennon to Spurs:eek:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/scottish/2014/0522/618958-lennon-set-to-part-company-with-celtic/

2nd Row Donkey

Glebee wrote: »

Neil Lennon to Spurs:eek:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/scottish/2014/0522/618958-lennon-set-to-part-company-with-celtic/

Ha ha . You beat me to it.

Surely not.

I'd say he's for Norwich, WBA




or maybe he's off to Southampton