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Review of medical cards outsourced to German company.

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  • #62
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    No idea but not every case is the same are they?

    All I'm saying is the HSE could employ flexibility around different conditions. If you think it's a bad idea please let me know.

    But who said they don't? Is there evidence that they don't? Checks are not just about the medical condition itself but also the financial circumstances involved


  • #63
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    A 30 million euro legacy from a rich aunt? you really are clutching at straws. If you believe so strongly in oversight for a free/subsidised service how do you defend free GP care for under 6s with no oversight?

    OK then. The parents have taken up higher paid positions, a trust fund has been, realised, a bequest, a lot to win, a compensation pay out... A myriad of reasons for a change in personal circumstances.

    I'm guessing the system you wish is that if someone qualifies for a medical card, say at birth, we should assign it to them, never bat another eyelid and remove only on receipt of their death certs 20, 30, 80 years later?

    Maybe we could apply that system to social welfare payments too. Let's not bother checking anything anymore, won't bother checking if someone receiving jobseekers is actually working etc.

    Sounds good to me. I just got a job in the public service... I am now employed to prune the money trees planted on the roof of Leinster house. Grand oul day to start too.


  • #64
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    But who said they don't? Is there evidence that they don't? Checks are not just about the medical condition itself but also the financial circumstances involved

    Fair enough but likewise if a child has a permanent medical condition then why ask on the form if they still have it? You can still ask about the financial circumstances but not ask if their child still has Down Syndrome, etc every time.


  • #65
    brembo26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭brembo26


    Daith wrote: »
    No idea but not every case is the same are they?

    All I'm saying is the HSE could employ flexibility around different conditions. If you think it's a bad idea please let me know.

    I was made unemployed a few months ago and applied for a Medical Card/GP visit card.

    Because of my age I can only claim €144p/w from social welfare and have the usual bills like rent/esb/upc etc...

    I was issued with a full Medical card for the next 3 years up to 2017.

    I think personally someone in a similar situation to me who is only recently out of work should be reviewed at least every year. I certainly dont think these days I will be unemployed for 3 years.


  • #66
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    Fair enough but likewise if a child has a permanent medical condition then why ask on the form if they still have it? You can still ask about the financial circumstances but not ask if their child still has Down Syndrome, etc every time.

    Maybe they are standardised forms. You know one Gob****e employee asking a stupid question does not mean the whole system is wrong.

    For all we know it was a misunderstanding in communication, particularly if the worker in question does not have English as their mother tongue.

    As usual one relatively minor, albeit potentially upsetting incident for the parent involved, is being blown out of all proportion


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  • #67
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    For all we know it was a misunderstanding in communication, particularly if the worker in question does not have English as their mother tongue.

    Is this not a form that is posted to the people? Don't know where you are getting this from?
    Uriel. wrote: »
    As usual one relatively minor, albeit potentially upsetting incident for the parent involved, is being blown out of all proportion

    There's multiple examples of it. There's a lot wrong perception ways with the HSE and there's very minor things they can do to fix it.


  • #68
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Jesus, I really hope that German company isn't the same one the UK uses. I remember watching a documentary with people whose Disability benefit claims had been outsourced to a German firm. One man collapsed and died from a heart attack because he believed if they said he was OK to work, then he must be OK to work.

    I could go on and on and on with horror stories from that programme. They even had GP's who were involved in the process discussing how they were put under pressure to make sure that as few claims as possible were successful.

    I have a medical card for some conditions that are never going away. It was issued for a few years and when I had to renew it it was cancelled, even though nothing had changed. I appealed and won, but they only issued it for a year. My GP told me he was furious with the whole thing as the HSE weren't renewing the cards of most of his patients and they were all having to appeal. No doubt I'll have to go through the same bullsh*t again soon.


  • #69
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Daith wrote: »
    Is this not a form that is posted to the people? Don't know where you are getting this from?



    There's multiple examples of it. There's a lot wrong perception ways with the HSE and there's very minor things they can do to fix it.

    So it is a standardized form and one of the questons is "Do you still suffer from xxx Illness"? And people are getting upset over this? Should there be a special form sent out to people with lifelong disabilities so as not to upset them?


  • #70
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    Is this not a form that is posted to the people? Don't know where you are getting this from?.

    I don't know to be honest. But if the issue arose from a question on a standardised form as opposed to a verbal communication then the outcry is even more ridiculous if you ask me


  • #71
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So it is a standardized form and one of the questons is "Do you still suffer from xxx Illness"? And people are getting upset over this? Should there be a special form sent out to people with lifelong disabilities so as not to upset them?

    No there should be a special form specifically geared towards every possible ailment. And then a separate division in the HSE for each ailment. The down syndrome medical card review unit, the throat cancer medical card review unit, the motor neuron medical review unit etc.

    Perfect setup.


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  • #72
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    I don't know to be honest. But if the issue arose from a question on a standardised form as opposed to a verbal communication then the outcry is even more ridiculous if you ask me

    No it's not. Asking if your child still has a permanent disability every year or whatever the frequency, is more ridiculous if you ask me.
    Uriel. wrote: »
    No there should be a special form specifically geared towards every possible ailment. And then a separate division in the HSE for each ailment. The down syndrome medical card review unit, the throat cancer medical card review unit, the motor neuron medical review unit etc.

    Perfect setup.

    FFS. Specsavers send out a form to me every year telling me I need a checkup. It sends a form to my brother every two years. Why? Because we don't have the same issues with our eyesight. It's not that difficult.

    Though the way you suggest is probably a more HSE can't manage themselves approach.


  • #73
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    No it's not. Asking if your child still has a permanent disability every year or whatever the frequency, is more ridiculous if you ask me.



    FFS. Specsavers send out a form to me every year telling me I need a checkup. It sends a form to my brother every two years. Why? Because we don't have the same issues with our eyesight. It's not that difficult.

    Though the way you suggest is probably a more HSE can't manage themselves approach.
    Is it the same form?


  • #74
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Uriel. wrote: »
    No there should be a special form specifically geared towards every possible ailment. And then a separate division in the HSE for each ailment. The down syndrome medical card review unit, the throat cancer medical card review unit, the motor neuron medical review unit etc.

    Perfect setup.

    Right so, Raise income tax 2% to pay for it.


  • #75
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    Is it the same form?

    What difference does that make? The fact is they can tailor it to people with different conditions unlike the HSE. You want to nitpick even more?
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Right so, Raise income tax 2% to pay for it.

    No one is suggesting that. Its a simple form. Jesus. No doubt someone in the HSE would want a pay rise for writing another form.


  • #76
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Daith wrote: »
    What difference does that make? The fact is they can tailor it to people with different conditions unlike the HSE. You want to nitpick even more?

    So they send out a standardized form asking you the same questions as other people that have different conditions?


  • #77
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Right so, Raise income tax 2% to pay for it.

    Eh I refuse to pay an extra. I want all my services free and my tax reduced. Can't see why that can't happen


  • #78
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So they send out a standardized form asking you the same questions as other people that have different conditions?

    Missing the point completely


  • #79
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Daith wrote: »
    Missing the point completely....

    No i'm not,

    They send out a standard form with a **** bunch of questions on it and you answer the questions that are RELEVANT to you. Welcome to the wonderful world of government and bureaucracy.


  • #80
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    What difference does that make? The fact is they can tailor it to people with different conditions unlike the HSE. You want to nitpick even more?



    No one is suggesting that. Its a simple form. Jesus. No doubt someone in the HSE would want a pay rise for writing another form.

    So you and your brother get the same form at different times.

    Now tell me what have the HSE done wrong?
    Are you saying that tthey send out the same form to all medical card holders every year?


  • #81
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    bumper234 wrote: »
    No i'm not,

    They send out a standard form with a **** bunch of questions on it and you answer the questions that are RELEVANT to you. Welcome to the wonderful world of government and bureaucracy.

    It's not about the form, it's about the frequency which was my point and you missed it.
    Uriel. wrote: »
    Now tell me what have the HSE done wrong?
    Are you saying that tthey send out the same form to all medical card holders every year?

    I'm saying asking if person has a permanent medical condition every time they fill in the form could be changed a tad. No doubt I'm asking too much.


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  • #82
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Uriel. wrote: »
    Eh I refuse to pay an extra. I want all my services free and my tax reduced. Can't see why that can't happen

    Hello

    Can i interest you in voting for my new super socialist utopia party? We are called SUP for short....cool huh? :cool:


  • #83
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    bumper234 wrote: »
    No i'm not,

    They send out a standard form with a **** bunch of questions on it and you answer the questions that are RELEVANT to you. Welcome to the wonderful world of government and bureaucracy.

    My genuine belief is that it's impossible to win against an angry person who has know idea why they are angry


  • #84
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Daith wrote: »
    It's not about the form, i it's about the frequency which was my point and you missed it.

    I got specs from them 3 years ago and never heard a word from them since....so what?


  • #85
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    It's not about the form, i it's about the frequency which was my point and you missed it.

    And yet you don't know the frequency the form is sent out or to whom?


  • #86
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Hello

    Can i interest you in voting for my new super socialist utopia party? We are called SUP for short....cool huh? :cool:

    :-)


  • #87
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Daith wrote: »
    It's not about the form, it's about the frequency which was my point and you missed it.



    I'm saying asking if person has a permanent medical condition every time they fill in the form could be changed a tad. No doubt I'm asking too much.

    And if that persons financial circumstances change during this period? Again i'll ask, what should be the waiting time between forms? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?


  • #88
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    And yet you don't know the frequency the form is sent out or to whom?

    Why should the frequency matter when it is asks and get this

    A PERMANENTLY ILL CHILD IF THEY HAVE THE SAME ILLNESS.

    Jesus.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    And if that persons financial circumstances change during this period? Again i'll ask, what should be the waiting time between forms? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?

    That's fine but do you still need to ask if their child is still permanently ill? Again a slight changing of the form would do wonders. Bloody hell.


  • #89
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Daith wrote: »
    Why should the frequency matter when it is asks and get this

    A PERMANENTLY ILL CHILD IF THEY HAVE THE SAME ILLNESS.

    Jesus.

    Because that's one question on a standard form. A moment ago you said the form didn't matter, it was the frequency. Now the frequency doesn't matter it's the content of the form. Are you schizophrenic?


  • #90
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Daith


    Uriel. wrote: »
    Because that's one question on a standard form. A moment ago you said the form didn't matter, it was the frequency. Now the frequency doesn't matter it's the content of the form. Are you schizophrenic?

    My original point was to tailor the form to different sections. What is wrong with that? The fequency, the content it doesn't matter.

    You nitpick at every word.


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  • #91
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    i'm not surprised they gave it to someone else. not too long ago there was a big discussion about backlogs, going slow, overworked processing 3 (iirc) forms a day. obviously the staff there just weren't capable.

    will there be a round of sackings or is feet on the desk and kick back for the normal staff?


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