The AH Euro Election thread

Spring Onion

The lack of choice in Ireland is infuriating!!! :mad:

FF, FG, Lab, Greens have proven themselves duplicitous, corrupt or self serving.

So that leaves;
(1) Sinn Fein
(2) Independent

What a choice . I have serious misgivings on SF and I always will.

I will probably go #1 for Ming (IND) but I might put Carthy (SF) #2 - more of a protest vote than anything else because I doubt I could bring myself to vote SF in a general election. I would be frightened if they ever got into government (even though its a distinct possibility in 2016).

I think we need a new party or two to provide a credible option.

Birroc

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Eamonn Ryan (Green) in Dublin constituency.

Actually I hope he gets in. A very decent and honest man.

Birroc

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Considering Sinn Fein after that conveniently timed Gerry farce that played out up north.

wendell borton

José Bové for Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1riGwPStcPo

Banjo String

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The war between Independent Newspapers and Sinn Fein in the run up to this election is interesting. I have never voted for SF but find it nauseating to see a tax exile billionaire who made his fortune through political corruption in Ireland try desperately to influence the outcome of elections in this country.

Excellent summarisation tbh, WTF does the Indo hope to achieve with its daily bolloxolgy headlines anyway?2

Reading the comments on a daily basis, it is clear to see that reverse psychology has definitely taken place.

All they've did was further the SF surge with the anti-SF rhetoric.

golfball37

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The war between Independent Newspapers and Sinn Fein in the run up to this election is interesting. I have never voted for SF but find it nauseating to see a tax exile billionaire who made his fortune through political corruption in Ireland try desperately to influence the outcome of elections in this country.

They went way ott this weekend though. Polling the public on whether someone is guilty of murder is just scandalous. Not withstanding the impertinence of it surely it would prejudice any future trial if forthcoming?
Today then one piece is accusing the women running in the euros of knowing all Adams secrets surrounding his brother and they should be ostricised for this.
Truly shocking stuff and to think they consider themselves a serious newspaper.

Days 298

Voting for the Greens is like asking to be taxed more. And frankly you deserve it.

First Up

Banjo String wrote: »

Excellent summarisation tbh, WTF does the Indo hope to achieve with its daily bolloxolgy headlines anyway?2

Reading the comments on a daily basis, it is clear to see that reverse psychology has definitely taken place.

All they've did was further the SF surge with the anti-SF rhetoric.

So people who wouldn't vote SF because they don't like their history or policies are going to vote for them because a newspaper says nasty things about their leader?
With an electorate like that, we deserve whatever we get.

MRnotlob606

COME ON INDEPENDENTS

Fred Swanson

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donegal__road

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The war between Independent Newspapers and Sinn Fein in the run up to this election is interesting. I have never voted for SF but find it nauseating to see a tax exile billionaire who made his fortune through political corruption in Ireland try desperately to influence the outcome of elections in this country.

and who's company (which was purchased with an Anglo 'loan') is overseeing the installation of water meters at the same time..... you couldn't make it up if you tried.

keith16

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Think I'll have to give Lorraine Higgins my number one. Double Jesus.

please don't give that hypocrite your vote

RayM

If the Ireland South constituency had a Socialist Party or PBP candidate, I'd vote for them. I'm thinking of holding my nose and voting for Fine Gael (Simon Harris) because if he gets elected to the European Parliament, there'll be a by-election here in Wicklow. And I like elections.

SafeSurfer

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Voting SF in both elections. No other preferences will be given.

Why not continue your preferences for other candidates. This is how proportional representation with a single transferable vote works. If your 1st and 2nd preference are for SF candidates then your 3rd preference will only come into play after your 1st and 2nd preferred candidates have either been eliminated or elected with a surplus. Your lower preferences can and should be used in the order of who you would most like to see get elected. For example your 2nd or 3rd preference could elect an independent instead of a FF/Lab/FG candidate.

Fred Swanson

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jonnny68

First Up wrote: »

And what's that going to achieve?

Change, badly needed change.

Just a pity it's not a general election.

Joe prim

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

i am looking forward to an orderly election on Friday, which will eliminate the need for a violent blood bath.

Good luck with that, I foresee massive civic unrest breaking out when we realise that , due to a quirk in the voting system, Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen have been nominated as substitutes to replace some other morons on some county council somewhere, thus trebling their pension entitlements, and finally cracking the infinite patience of our people. Riots in Roscommon, gassings in Galway, war in West Clare, and fellas on Syrian telly shaking their heads and calling for international intervention.In the end, the Brits will probably have to step in to restore order.

Clandestine

jonnny68 wrote: »

SF and PBP and Independents will be the big winners.

People before profit and the Socialists will need a miracle to get even one TD elected.

jonnny68

Clandestine wrote: »

People before profit and the Socialists will need a miracle to get even one TD elected.

That's strange as they have a couple of TD's right now so your comments don't make any sense at all.

They'll do very well in these elections next Friday , people are sick of the same old party's, and their lies and empty promises like a vicious merry go round.

sock puppet

Clandestine wrote: »

People before profit and the Socialists will need a miracle to get even one TD elected.

Huh? There are only 2 dail spots up for grabs and they've a better chance than labour of winning.

Clandestine

jonnny68 wrote: »

That's strange as they have a couple of TD's right now so your comments don't make any sense at all.

They'll do very well in these elections next Friday , people are sick of the same old party's, and their lies and empty promises like a vicious merry go round.

I meant MEP's

Favorites like Paul Murphy and Brid Smith are coming in near last place in every poll I've seen so far. It doesn't sound like their doing particularly well to me

First Up

jonnny68 wrote: »

Change, badly needed change.

Just a pity it's not a general election.

Change to what, by who? A few shinners bleating simplistic, populist crap and a rag bag of solo flyers ranging from left to right to raving nuts?
Yeah, that'll sort it.

Banjo String

First Up wrote: »

So people who wouldn't vote SF because they don't like their history or policies are going to vote for them because a newspaper says nasty things about their leader?
With an electorate like that, we deserve whatever we get.

No that's not what I was implying, and I think you know that.

I'm pointing out that what looks like political persuasion and manipulation on the indos part appears to have backfired on them.

Times have changed, when a paper prints or goes with stories that have little fact or substance behind them, and with the huge increase of social media awareness, this will quickly be picked up on.

The electorate can't be influenced with propaganda quite as easily from times gone by.

Birroc

Spring Onion wrote: »

The lack of choice in Ireland is infuriating!!! :mad:

FF, FG, Lab, Greens have proven themselves duplicitous, corrupt or self serving.

So that leaves;
(1) Sinn Fein
(2) Independent

What a choice . I have serious misgivings on SF and I always will.

I will probably go #1 for Ming (IND) but I might put Carthy (SF) #2 - more of a protest vote than anything else because I doubt I could bring myself to vote SF in a general election. I would be frightened if they ever got into government (even though its a distinct possibility in 2016).

I think we need a new party or two to provide a credible option.

It probably will play out like this. A big protest vote against the government will see SF and Independents do very well. The question is whether they can sustain that swing to the next general election. Independents might but I think SF will struggle for obvious reasons. That said, I would nearly like to see SF in power as some weaker coalition partner. It would be fascinating to see how they would operate.

road_high

First Up wrote: »

Change to what, by who? A few shinners bleating simplistic, populist crap and a rag bag of solo flyers ranging from left to right to raving nuts?
Yeah, that'll sort it.

That's it in a nutshell. People ain't happy but most are realistic. With the economy picking up from where FF left it, ie the toilet, I think the current coalition will quietly do alright on this election and are likely to be back in power after next election.
SF and the hard left indos to my mind are a very very risky choice and it frankly terrifies me what they might do with taxes and investment into the country. There's a few indos I like like Ross and that other Wicklow guy. Economically and socially liberal types. The rest are for the birds quite frankly!

First Up

Banjo String wrote: »

No that's not what I was implying, and I think you know that.

I'm pointing out that what looks like political persuasion and manipulation on the indos part appears to have backfired on them.

Times have changed, when a paper prints or goes with stories that have little fact or substance behind them, and with the huge increase of social media awareness, this will quickly be picked up on.

The electorate can't be influenced with propaganda quite as easily from times gone by.

Backfired how? Either people will vote shinner because they agree with them or because they don't like the Indos take on it. The former reason is legit - very stupid, but legit. The latter is perverse. Your analysis seems to be closer to the latter.

haro124

There's a good chance Fianna Fáil will have just one MEP. This would be. Amazing! Some ff renewal

jonnny68

Clandestine wrote: »

I meant MEP's

Favorites like Paul Murphy and Brid Smith are coming in near last place in every poll I've seen so far. It doesn't sound like their doing particularly well to me

Both Paul Murphy and Brid Smith have increased in popularity according to latest polls, even if they don't get elected they will have dramatically increased their vote

Birroc

My guess is FF don't give a hoot about the European elections but they are watching for a lift in the local elections. I actually expect them to do ok where the support that swung to FG and Labour starts to come back. They are working hard on the grass roots again and appearing sufficiently "humble". I do notice they are all about policies/achievements now rather than appealing to the FF party heritage/faithful.

jonnny68

First Up wrote: »

Change to what, by who? A few shinners bleating simplistic, populist crap and a rag bag of solo flyers ranging from left to right to raving nuts?
Yeah, that'll sort it.

I'm no fan of SF at all but they have got to be better than the parasites and liars that are FG /FF/Lab

You sound as if your a supporter of one of the above.

More austerity anyone :rolleyes: