The AH Euro Election thread

Clandestine

jonnny68 wrote: »

That's strange as they have a couple of TD's right now so your comments don't make any sense at all.

They'll do very well in these elections next Friday , people are sick of the same old party's, and their lies and empty promises like a vicious merry go round.

I meant MEP's

Favorites like Paul Murphy and Brid Smith are coming in near last place in every poll I've seen so far. It doesn't sound like their doing particularly well to me

First Up

jonnny68 wrote: »

Change, badly needed change.

Just a pity it's not a general election.

Change to what, by who? A few shinners bleating simplistic, populist crap and a rag bag of solo flyers ranging from left to right to raving nuts?
Yeah, that'll sort it.

Banjo String

First Up wrote: »

So people who wouldn't vote SF because they don't like their history or policies are going to vote for them because a newspaper says nasty things about their leader?
With an electorate like that, we deserve whatever we get.

No that's not what I was implying, and I think you know that.

I'm pointing out that what looks like political persuasion and manipulation on the indos part appears to have backfired on them.

Times have changed, when a paper prints or goes with stories that have little fact or substance behind them, and with the huge increase of social media awareness, this will quickly be picked up on.

The electorate can't be influenced with propaganda quite as easily from times gone by.

Birroc

Spring Onion wrote: »

The lack of choice in Ireland is infuriating!!! :mad:

FF, FG, Lab, Greens have proven themselves duplicitous, corrupt or self serving.

So that leaves;
(1) Sinn Fein
(2) Independent

What a choice . I have serious misgivings on SF and I always will.

I will probably go #1 for Ming (IND) but I might put Carthy (SF) #2 - more of a protest vote than anything else because I doubt I could bring myself to vote SF in a general election. I would be frightened if they ever got into government (even though its a distinct possibility in 2016).

I think we need a new party or two to provide a credible option.

It probably will play out like this. A big protest vote against the government will see SF and Independents do very well. The question is whether they can sustain that swing to the next general election. Independents might but I think SF will struggle for obvious reasons. That said, I would nearly like to see SF in power as some weaker coalition partner. It would be fascinating to see how they would operate.

road_high

First Up wrote: »

Change to what, by who? A few shinners bleating simplistic, populist crap and a rag bag of solo flyers ranging from left to right to raving nuts?
Yeah, that'll sort it.

That's it in a nutshell. People ain't happy but most are realistic. With the economy picking up from where FF left it, ie the toilet, I think the current coalition will quietly do alright on this election and are likely to be back in power after next election.
SF and the hard left indos to my mind are a very very risky choice and it frankly terrifies me what they might do with taxes and investment into the country. There's a few indos I like like Ross and that other Wicklow guy. Economically and socially liberal types. The rest are for the birds quite frankly!

First Up

Banjo String wrote: »

No that's not what I was implying, and I think you know that.

I'm pointing out that what looks like political persuasion and manipulation on the indos part appears to have backfired on them.

Times have changed, when a paper prints or goes with stories that have little fact or substance behind them, and with the huge increase of social media awareness, this will quickly be picked up on.

The electorate can't be influenced with propaganda quite as easily from times gone by.

Backfired how? Either people will vote shinner because they agree with them or because they don't like the Indos take on it. The former reason is legit - very stupid, but legit. The latter is perverse. Your analysis seems to be closer to the latter.

haro124

There's a good chance Fianna Fáil will have just one MEP. This would be. Amazing! Some ff renewal

jonnny68

Clandestine wrote: »

I meant MEP's

Favorites like Paul Murphy and Brid Smith are coming in near last place in every poll I've seen so far. It doesn't sound like their doing particularly well to me

Both Paul Murphy and Brid Smith have increased in popularity according to latest polls, even if they don't get elected they will have dramatically increased their vote

Birroc

My guess is FF don't give a hoot about the European elections but they are watching for a lift in the local elections. I actually expect them to do ok where the support that swung to FG and Labour starts to come back. They are working hard on the grass roots again and appearing sufficiently "humble". I do notice they are all about policies/achievements now rather than appealing to the FF party heritage/faithful.

jonnny68

First Up wrote: »

Change to what, by who? A few shinners bleating simplistic, populist crap and a rag bag of solo flyers ranging from left to right to raving nuts?
Yeah, that'll sort it.

I'm no fan of SF at all but they have got to be better than the parasites and liars that are FG /FF/Lab

You sound as if your a supporter of one of the above.

More austerity anyone :rolleyes:

First Up

jonnny68 wrote: »

I'm no fan of SF at all but they have got to be better than the parasites and liars that are FG /FF/Lab

You sound as if your a supporter of one of the above.

More austerity anyone :rolleyes:

I'm a supporter of sensible, realistic polices that bring us out of the mess the current government inherited. They have done a pretty decent job so far and hats off to Labour for putting the placards aside for a bit and behaving like responsible adults.
But you vote for whichever fantasy/bull**** brigade you like.

jonnny68

First Up wrote: »

I'm a supporter of sensible, realistic polices that bring us out of the mess the current government inherited. They have done a pretty decent job so far and hats off to Labour for putting the placards aside for a bit and behaving like responsible adults.
But you vote for whichever fantasy/bull**** brigade you like.

You sound as if your living in some parallel universe, this Government are even worse than the last lot, mass emigration and still mass unemployment but because so many have emigrated the numbers on the live register drop they try and pass it off as job creation.

Austerity and cuts galore , bail out banks and the rich get richer and your average working man suffers , people cannot take any more of this.

I know numerous people who might have previously voted for FF /FG or Lab who will not be again they are cut from the same cloth, parasites , crooks and liars and major change is needed to get away from this vicious merry go around.

First Up

jonnny68 wrote: »

You sound as if your living in some parallel universe, this Government are even worse than the last lot, mass emigration and still mass unemployment but because so many have emigrated the numbers on the live register drop they try and pass it off as job creation.

Austerity and cuts galore , bail out banks and the rich get richer and your average working man suffers , people cannot take any more of this.

I know numerous people who might have previously voted for FF /FG or Lab who will not be again they are cut from the same cloth, parasites , crooks and liars and major change is needed to get away from this vicious merry go around.

Off you go so, and don't let reality get in the way. Burn a few effigies while you are at it. It won't help anything but it will make you feel better and sure that's all that matters.

jonnny68

First Up wrote: »

Off you go so, and don't let reality get in the way. Burn a few effigies while you are at it. It won't help anything but it will make you feel better and sure that's all that matters.

Typical resorting to insults, I'm telling it as it is here and now.

Why are the polls showing major support for Independents there's a reason for that, people have had enough of this shambolic bunch of parasites and liars in government.

You'll see next week when Labour take a severe pounding and the other 2 will suffer too.

PopePalpatine

Meh, I'm stuck between spoiling my ballet with #DeVoreForEurope or just voting for the Green candidate just so I have a tiny amount of influence in the election.

RayM

Birroc wrote: »

They are working hard on the grass roots again and appearing sufficiently "humble".

After the damage Fianna Fail did to the country, no amount of appearing "humble" should be sufficient.

Frankie Lee

Ming is the least worst candidate for me.

tayto lover

Don't know who to vote for yet.
I'm finding it hard to find a "non-liar".

Kev.OC

I usually brush up before anything that requires a vote, but this time I honestly don't even know who's running...

Banjo String

First Up wrote: »

Backfired how? Either people will vote shinner because they agree with them or because they don't like the Indos take on it. The former reason is legit - very stupid , but legit. The latter is perverse. Your analysis seems to be closer to the latter.

Just SF, or any other political party you don't agree with?

Way to go with the generalisation though.

First Up wrote: »

I'm a supporter of sensible, realistic polices that bring us out of the mess the current government inherited. They have done a pretty decent job so far and hats off to Labour for putting the placards aside for a bit and behaving like responsible adults.
But you vote for whichever fantasy/bull**** brigade you like.

Haven't the troika been pulling the strings though this last three years

That's what the coalition tell us with every unpopular "decision".

Da Shins Kelly

First Up wrote: »

I'm a supporter of sensible, realistic polices that bring us out of the mess the current government inherited. They have done a pretty decent job so far and hats off to Labour for putting the placards aside for a bit and behaving like responsible adults.
But you vote for whichever fantasy/bull**** brigade you like.

Are you serious? Labour are an absolute joke. I voted for them in the last election and never again. They're a shower of doormats. And to think there was a time when people were talking about Eamon Gilmore becoming Taoiseach. Christ. I hope they take a hammering in the next election.

I'd never vote Fine Gael or Fianna Fail either, they're interchangeable as far as I can see.

I'll be giving Matt Carthy and Ming my votes.

DubVelo

Anyone got their voting cards yet?

Kermit.de.frog

Why are forums like this always populated with shinners? Any time there is a poll they need to justify their existence by flocking to it to vote for themselves.

Da Shins Kelly

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why are forums like this always populated with shinners? Any time there is a poll they need to justify their existence by flocking to it to vote for themselves.

Are people who are going to vote Sinn Fein not allowed to express that opinion in a public forum? Why do non-Sinn Fein voters collectively sh*t themselves any time it's even suggested that Sinn Fein might do well in an election? It's getting boring, to be honest.

Red Pepper

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why are forums like this always populated with shinners? Any time there is a poll they need to justify their existence by flocking to it to vote for themselves.

Never ever ever underestimate the SF electioneering machine. They are unreal. They will try every trick in the book and their supporters are fanatic.

tayto lover

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why are forums like this always populated with shinners? Any time there is a poll they need to justify their existence by flocking to it to vote for themselves.

It must be a bit like the FG shills on the Austerity threads then. There solely to back each other up.
And i'm not a shinner.

Jester252

Anybody who is not that slim ball Ming.

First Up

Banjo String wrote: »

Just SF, or any other political party you don't agree with?

Way to go with the generalisation though.



Haven't the troika been pulling the strings though this last three years

That's what the coalition tell us with every unpopular "decision".

And a good job too. If I was lending a bankrupt county €150 billion to keep the lights on, I think I'd impose a few conditions - especially looking at the level of economic and political maturity on display in forums like this.

Satriale

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why are forums like this always populated with shinners? Any time there is a poll they need to justify their existence by flocking to it to vote for themselves.

Red Pepper wrote: »

Never ever ever underestimate the SF electioneering machine. They are unreal. They will try every trick in the book and their supporters are fanatic.

Maybe Red C are tweaking their popularity figures too

http://www.newstalk.ie/Support-For-Labour-Drops

The truth is, the people are sick of "Labour and the Civil War Parasites"(sounds like a crap band i know)

(and before you ask i've never voted SF)

Banjo String

First Up wrote: »

And a good job too. If I was lending a bankrupt county €150 billion to keep the lights on, I think I'd impose a few conditions - especially looking at the level of economic and political maturity on display in forums like this.

Yeah, but if FF were still in power (God forbid) they would have accomplished the same results. (seeing as the troika made the decisons).

FG, in opposition, claimed FF weren't giving away enough.

Don't you remember?

I certainly do.

tayto lover

Banjo String wrote: »

Yeah, but if FF were still in power (God forbid) they would have accomplished the same results. (seeing as the troika made the decisons).

FG, in opposition, claimed FF weren't giving away enough.

Don't you remember?

I certainly do.

If there';s one word to connect all those guys its ARROGANCE.

First Up

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Are you serious? Labour are an absolute joke. I voted for them in the last election and never again. They're a shower of doormats. And to think there was a time when people were talking about Eamon Gilmore becoming Taoiseach. Christ. I hope they take a hammering in the next election.

I'd never vote Fine Gael or Fianna Fail either, they're interchangeable as far as I can see.

I'll be giving Matt Carthy and Ming my votes.

Labour has done the country a great service, which history will in time come to acknowledge. The country was left in a disastrous state by FF/Greens and it is obvious that most posters here have not a clue about how bad it was and how dire things might have been.
Labour joined in government, knowing that that it offered the only prospect of stable, credible government in a time of crisis. They did what had to be done, knowing it would not be popular. They have helped bring us back from the brink of disaster and returned the country to a path to growth and prosperity. Politicians and civil servants have worked impossible hours and sacrificed their family lives, social lives and in the case of politicians,.probably their careers to do the country a service.
I'm sure this will be ridiculed and disparaged but it needs saying. I am not a Labour voter but this time, I will be, even while the lynch mob does its thing.

Comfreycream

Carthy Matt S/Fein & then Ming 'the merciless'. Independent newspaper helped me come the decision.

Red Pepper

Banjo String wrote: »

Yeah, but if FF were still in power (God forbid) they would have accomplished the same results. (seeing as the troika made the decisons).

FG, in opposition, claimed FF weren't giving away enough.

Don't you remember?

I certainly do.

Yeah I remember one almighty giveaway budget, cant remember which year but it was the one where they government gave every child €1000 per annum on top of the child benefit. There were gifts for everyone and tax cuts galore. I wondered what the opposition were going to say. And then Bruton stood up and said they hadn't gone far enough and listed a few more things they could have done. It was unreal.

Red Pepper

First Up wrote: »

Labour has done the country a great service, which history will in time come to acknowledge. The country was left in a disastrous state by FF/Greens and it is obvious that most posters here have not a clue about how bad it was and how dire things might have been.
Labour joined in government, knowing that that it offered the only prospect of stable, credible government in a time of crisis. They did what had to be done, knowing it would not be popular. They have helped bring us back from the brink of disaster and returned the country to a path to growth and prosperity. Politicians and civil servants have worked impossible hours and sacrificed their family lives, social lives and in the case of politicians,.probably their careers to do the country a service.
I'm sure this will be ridiculed and disparaged but it needs saying. I am not a Labour voter but this time, I will be, even while the lynch mob does its thing.

Name one positive thing that Joan Burton did. I know she spent decades moaning from the opposition benches but name one positive thing she did in government. I remember her big issue in opposition was means testing child benefit. Did she do that? She has a massive welfare budget, how did she improve it?

At least Quinn took on the teachers and the Roman church's hold on our education system.

Fred Swanson

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tayto lover

First Up wrote: »

Labour has done the country a great service, which history will in time come to acknowledge. The country was left in a disastrous state by FF/Greens and it is obvious that most posters here have not a clue about how bad it was and how dire things might have been.
Labour joined in government, knowing that that it offered the only prospect of stable, credible government in a time of crisis. They did what had to be done, knowing it would not be popular. They have helped bring us back from the brink of disaster and returned the country to a path to growth and prosperity. Politicians and civil servants have worked impossible hours and sacrificed their family lives, social lives and in the case of politicians,.probably their careers to do the country a service.
I'm sure this will be ridiculed and disparaged but it needs saying. I am not a Labour voter but this time, I will be, even while the lynch mob does its thing.

Labour = U-turn.

The voters will show them how appreciated they really are.

jonnny68

First Up wrote: »

Labour has done the country a great service, which history will in time come to acknowledge. The country was left in a disastrous state by FF/Greens and it is obvious that most posters here have not a clue about how bad it was and how dire things might have been.
Labour joined in government, knowing that that it offered the only prospect of stable, credible government in a time of crisis. They did what had to be done, knowing it would not be popular. They have helped bring us back from the brink of disaster and returned the country to a path to growth and prosperity. Politicians and civil servants have worked impossible hours and sacrificed their family lives, social lives and in the case of politicians,.probably their careers to do the country a service.
I'm sure this will be ridiculed and disparaged but it needs saying. I am not a Labour voter but this time, I will be, even while the lynch mob does its thing.

Yes it was and the FG /Labour coalition has made it much much worse with austerity and cuts galore, Burton and Gilmore and their lackeys are pathological liars, they disgust me.

You'll see for yourself how they all come out of it this time next week, a severe pounding.

Red Pepper

One thing is for sure, SF have their eye on all the disillusioned Labour voters.

tayto lover

If this FG/Labour Government are doing so well how come they are afraid to canvass the people? Why are they not out there explaining all their good work to the people at the doors?

None of them came to my door in Dundalk as yet.
I can only put it down to fear.

Red Pepper

tayto lover wrote: »

If this FG/Labour Government are doing so well how come they are afraid to canvass the people? Why are they not out there explaining all their good work to the people at the doors?

None of them came to my door in Dundalk as yet.
I can only put it down to fear.

Dundalk...is there any point canvassing up there, shure ye are all Shinners!

Birroc

Watching the debate, I love it when SF try to convince everyone that they know how to balance the books without anyone losing out!

tayto lover

Red Pepper wrote: »

Dundalk...is there any point canvassing up there, shure ye are all Shinners!

El Paso to you sir

Lone Stone

Literally only one person knocked in to my house and was going around my estate and it was a guy from people against austerity haven't seen a single other person knocking around, but plenty of leaflets in the door. Most people i have talked to are voting SF even my mother and her friend who were always labour voters. il probaly go independent or vote for the guy who i was chatting to at the door, he seemed to have some passion, which you never seen in ff, fg or labour !

tayto lover

Birroc wrote: »

Watching the debate, I love it when SF try to convince everyone that they know how to balance the books without anyone losing out!

Are our books not being balanced from Europe?

Red Pepper

Lone Stone wrote: »

il probaly go independent or vote for the guy who i was chatting to at the door, he seemed to have some passion, which you never seen in ff, fg or labour !

Had he a name? You sure he is a candidate?

fullaljackeen

Birroc wrote: »

Watching the debate, I love it when SF try to convince everyone that they know how to balance the books without anyone losing out!

Brown paper bags balance against €100m bungs for your mates?

Galway tent balanced against the law society bulding?

The lack of a police force balanced by a lack of health care?

The mass emigration balanced by the influx of cheap labour?

Which of those books are the main parties balancing?

The Backwards Man

keith16 wrote: »

please don't give that hypocrite your vote

I'm not happy about it either Keith, but she's the least worst candidate and I'm fcuking sure I'm not spoiling my vote.

Conmaicne Mara

1. Harkin, 2. Ming

Nothing for the rest I reckon.

RTE getting a bit of a slating on their own debate show. Good enough for em too.