The AH Euro Election thread

Banjo String

Phoebas wrote: »

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2014pressreleases/pressreleasequarterlynationalhouseholdsurveyquarter42013/

Do those figures include or exclude the almost 30,000 Jobbridge placements?

http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/JobBridgeData.pdf

Phoebas

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Do you think that figure includes jobsbridge? It doesn't specify on the press release.

I'm not sure if it includes jobsbridge, but its a year on year figure and jobsbridge numbers are pretty static (people come on and off jobsbridge so the overall numbers at the start of a year/quarter are similar to the numbers at the end).
In any case jobsbridge afaik has less than 10k people overall.

Edit: There are currently 6896 people on jobsbridge.

Phoebas

Banjo String wrote: »

Do those figures include or exclude the almost 30,000 Jobbridge placements?

http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/JobBridgeData.pdf

That 30k figure is a red herring. Its a number for people who commenced jobsbridge. The number of people on jobsbridge at any one time is much much lower.

There was a contact email on the press release so I just sent them a message asking. I'll report back when they reply.

jonnny68

c_man wrote: »

With only five days to go, let's try for our own poll here. Who will be getting your first preference next Friday?

I'll be voting for Ming (an Independent). I was let down with the whole penalty points thing but he seems like a smart guy, and asks the right kind of questions.

Will the Shinners be the big winners? Will Fianna Fail make up for their loss of the Dail? Will Labour find a saviour?

Brid Smith - People Before Profit or Paul Murphy Socialist party undecided which one both excellent candidates.

Ciaran Perry Independent number 1 in local elections, David Gaughran People Before Profit 2

Quin_Dub

pajor wrote: »

Pretty good test, no surprises for me though. :pac:

http://www.electio2014.eu/matchyourvote/votingrecords

Not good - Not one of the current Irish MEP's was better than 50% aligned with my choices....

A few Eastern Europeans made it into the 70's though....

Lemlin

Phoebas wrote: »

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2014pressreleases/pressreleasequarterlynationalhouseholdsurveyquarter42013/

This must have helped the percentages:

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/emigration-at-record-high-as-87000-people-left-the-country-last-year-cso-28814646.html

Teyla Emmagan

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

http://www.electio2014.eu/matchyourvote/vote/1

Dear God, I am a FF voter!

I think I need to lie down....

Fine Gael - 62%
Labour - 59%
Fianna Fáil - 58%
Socialist Party - 41%

Labour is the only one of those parties that would get my vote in Europe though; FF and FG are too socially conservative (voting against supporting women's rights and LGBT rights = no chance of a vote from me) and the Socialists are too.....well, socialist! Sinn Féin weren't on the list but they're too eurosceptic (and also too socialist leaning) for my liking.

Highest politician match was with Emer Costello (75%) but she's not in my constituency.

EDIT: If you include all the MEPs, not just Irish ones, three of my five highest matches are Dutch! :eek: I was definitely born in the wrong country....

First Up

Lemlin wrote: »

This must have helped the percentages:

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/emigration-at-record-high-as-87000-people-left-the-country-last-year-cso-28814646.html

Article is from December 2012.

tayto lover

The Labour leader is very confident of a good showing on Friday - RTE News.

Delusion or what?

Lemlin

First Up wrote: »

Article is from December 2012.

I'm aware of that. Labour are in government since 2011.

You claim that they grew jobs by 62,000 in the past year. My response is that 87,000 people left the country in 2012 alone.

Interesting that you ignored the rest of my post about 29 of their own councillors leaving and the numerous mistruths they told on their way into power.

DubVelo

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm aware of that. Labour are in government since 2011.

You claim that they grew jobs by 62,000 in the past year. My response is that 87,000 people left the country in 2012 alone.

Interesting that you ignored the rest of my post about 29 of their own councillors leaving and the numerous mistruths they told on their way into power.

Unemployment and employment are two different figures though. Just saying...

tayto lover

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm aware of that. Labour are in government since 2011.

You claim that they grew jobs by 62,000 in the past year. My response is that 87,000 people left the country in 2012 alone.

Interesting that you ignored the rest of my post about 29 of their own councillors leaving and the numerous mistruths they told on their way into power.

That's what you tend to do during an election -- Pat Rabbitte

http://www.joe.ie/news/current-affairs/video-pat-rabbitte-admits-to-breaking-election-promises/

WilyCoyote

If I was there ......... Sinn Féin all the way!

Fred Swanson

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Phoebas

Lemlin wrote: »

This must have helped the percentages:

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/emigration-at-record-high-as-87000-people-left-the-country-last-year-cso-28814646.html

No. The numbers I linked are employment numbers, not unemployment numbers. Emigration isn't a factor in employment numbers.

DubVelo

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/return-of-the-old-guard-sparks-fianna-fail-backlash-30284696.html

Biffo is on the campaign trail!? Am I ****ing hallucinating...? Just when you think politics in this country can't get more surreal.

DubVelo

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

http://www.electio2014.eu/matchyourvote/vote/1

Dear God, I am a FF voter!

I think I need to lie down....

I'm much better aligned with Plaid Cymru, some right wing Croatians, some Catalonian separatists and some pirates than any of ours. Damn!

Lemlin

Phoebas wrote: »

No. The numbers I linked are employment numbers, not unemployment numbers. Emigration isn't a factor in employment numbers.

So a huge number of people exiting the country won't effect the people left getting jobs?

I'd also point out that some people who left the country had jobs. They just couldn't survive in this country anymore.

Phoebas

Lemlin wrote: »

So a huge number of people exiting the country won't effect the people left getting jobs?

The employment figures have nothing to do with the emigration figures.
If I create a new job tomorrow, that extra job exists no matter how many people emigrate tomorrow.

I'm not sure where your confusion lies.

tayto lover

Phoebas wrote: »

The employment figures have nothing to do with the emigration figures.
If I create a new job tomorrow, that extra job exists no matter how many people emigrate tomorrow.

I'm not sure where your confusion lies.

If someone leaves a low paid job to seek better money elsewhere outside the country and that position is filled by someone else then surely that's not a created job. Also it's one less on the dole because someone emigrated.

Loads of jobs going in this disgraceful scheme though -

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/donald-trumps-irish-resort-hiring-3536351

Phoebas

tayto lover wrote: »

If someone leaves a low paid job to seek better money elsewhere outside the country and that position is filled by someone else then surely that's not a created job. Also it's one less on the dole because someone emigrated.

The employment figures I linked are net employment growth.
http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2014pressreleases/pressreleasequarterlynationalhouseholdsurveyquarter42013/

DubVelo

Emigration affects unemployment figures, it doesn't affect employment figures.

There is a lot of emigration, unemployment, and job-bridge which is all ****, but the fact is that there are new jobs being created.

DubVelo

tayto lover wrote: »

If someone leaves a low paid job to seek better money elsewhere outside the country and that position is filled by someone else then surely that's not a created job. Also it's one less on the dole because someone emigrated.

No, you are absolutely correct, that doesn't count as a new job being created, it won't change the number of people in employment figure at all, but it will reduce the unemployment figure by one.

tayto lover

DubVelo wrote: »

Emigration affects unemployment figures, it doesn't affect employment figures.

There is a lot of emigration, unemployment, and job-bridge which is all ****, but the fact is that there are new jobs being created.

Yeah. Like the ones in my link above.

dxhound2005

DubVelo wrote: »

No, you are absolutely correct, that doesn't count as a new job being created, it won't change the number of people in employment figure at all, but it will reduce the unemployment figure by one.

If someone comes from another country to take up the job then it won't reduce the unemployment figure.

jelfs

No People Before Profit?

Dick phelan

Again this bias panel crap, Why not just draw it at random for both panels that way no bias toward the main parties. Oh wait i forgot this is RTE of course their biased toward the main parties silly me!

DubVelo

tayto lover wrote: »

Yeah. Like the ones in my link above.

I can't see how a JobBridge could possibly be considered as a job though.
If they are, pass me a pitchfork and a flaming torch.

Fred Swanson

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