The AH Euro Election thread

Banjo String

Had FG canvassers at the door tonight at 7(ish)

I was polite but firm with them. They stayed for approximately 45 secs.

In the name of fairness, that's Labour, (twice) and it was the councillor himself (Fergus Carpenter)

FF (2 x canvassers)

SF (I wasn't in, but they left a hand signed "called at 8pm, sorry we missed you")

And FG canvassers tonight.

feargale

Days 298 wrote: »

Voting for the Greens is like asking to be taxed more. And frankly you deserve it.

Rejecting them out of hand is like asking for floodwaters from Antarctica in your kitchen. And frankly you deserve that.

Spring Onion

feargale wrote: »

Rejecting them out of hand is like asking for floodwaters from Antarctica in your kitchen. And frankly you deserve that.

:pac:

The set-up is ridiculous. Miriam only had 4 so now Claire has to deal with 10? She'll barely have time to get anything out of them. Surely 7 and 7 would have made more sense?

Fred Swanson

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Lemlin

Phoebas wrote: »

The employment figures have nothing to do with the emigration figures.
If I create a new job tomorrow, that extra job exists no matter how many people emigrate tomorrow.

I'm not sure where your confusion lies.

But if 82,000 people left the country in one year alone, some of them leaving their jobs, then your 62,000 jobs is only going somewhere towards replacing a fraction of the jobs that were lost.

If you create a job tomorrow, it may well be just replacing one of the three or four redundancies your company has made over the last 3/4 years.

Wazdakka

No Atari Jauar option..

Poll invalid!

Fred Swanson

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mikeym

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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That was a sham from primetime.


Shame on RTE :mad:

The independent candidates are clearly at a disadvantage they dont have the money to spend willy nilly and they get barely anytime on the debate.

Cant believe Fine Gael are putting out 3 candidates In the South only one of them will get elected.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

South Constituency here.

I haven't looked at all the independents running yet but if none of them appeal to me then I'll be voting for Phil Prendergast of Labour, with the Green candidate getting my second preference. Essentially they're the lesser of the evils on choice.

I won't vote for the Sinn Féin candidate in Europe as I don't really agree with the party's euroscepticism.

I won't vote Direct Democracy Ireland because they're batshít insane.

And I refuse to vote for anybody from Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael in Europe because their MEPs all voted in favour of a conservative-backed motion that blocked the backing of an important report on women's reproductive rights and LGBT rights. :mad: (The voter breakdown list says Seán Kelly voted against the motion but after googling I found out that it was mistaken and he actually voted for it - a shame, because I had been considering voting for him before finding this out).

Not exactly awe-inspiring performances. Of the first four MEP candidates Ní Riada of Sinn Féin came across best....I just wonder if her voting record would be in line with that of her party (i.e. anti-everything EU) in which case I wouldn't be comfortable voting for her. Prendergast did not come across well and Kelly was surprisingly poor.

Of the others Simon Harris of Fine Gael certainly seems to know his stuff and came across as being more capable than most.....I'm not entirely comfortable with his somewhat conservative social views though. (Plus he reminds me a lot of my ex-bf, its kinda creepy!) Richard Cahill came across as a decent sort, I might give him a preference. And Jillian Godsil followed me on Twitter so I have to give her something! :pac: I try to avoid single issue candidates though.

The less said about DDI free man of the land, the Irish version of UKIP guy and the loony Catholic "mothers against women working" one the better....

Fred Swanson

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wp_rathead

They should autotune that debate and put it as our Eurovision entry

Foxhound38

Emer Costello for me - her record so far in the EP has been solid. I'll be transferring to the Greens and the Shinners (I'm not sure in which order yet).

If he were in my constituency Ming would be getting my Number 1. I like the cut of his jib.

donegal__road

There is a local girl running for People Before Profit. She told me that a few of the People Before Profit members were protesting at the FG Ard Fheis last year, and a FG guy called Hayes and a few of his buddies were waving €50 notes out the window at them as they were knocking back champagne.

Not that surprising really..







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Celly Smunt

donegal__road wrote: »

There is a local girl running for People Before Profit. She told me that a few of the People Before Profit members were protesting at the FG Ard Fheis last year, and a FG guy called Hayes and a few of his buddies were waving €50 notes out the window at them as they were knocking back champagne.

Not that surprising really..







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Yeah,those people before profit members are not to be trusted when it comes to the truth.

donegal__road

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Yeah,those people before profit members are not to be trusted when it comes to the truth.

yep, never trust a politician..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykt_d3-93Yw

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feargale

mikeym wrote: »

Cant believe Fine Gael are putting out 3 candidates In the South only one of them will get elected.

The pollsters are giving them a good chance of two in the South. I don't see it myself, but I'm not a prophet before people,

Phoebas

Lemlin wrote: »

But if 82,000 people left the country in one year alone, some of them leaving their jobs, then your 62,000 jobs is only going somewhere towards replacing a fraction of the jobs that were lost.

I think I've reached the end of my abilities to explain the simple fact that there were 62000 more people in employment at the end of 2013 than there were at the start.

It has nothing to do with emigration and it is a net increase in employment - the number of jobs actually created is even higher because the net increase includes replacing jobs that were lost in the same period.

I'm really beginning to think that some people love bad news so much that they'll try any kind of mental trick to explain away good news.

Phoebas

donegal__road wrote: »

There is a local girl running for People Before Profit. She told me that a few of the People Before Profit members were protesting at the FG Ard Fheis last year, and a FG guy called Hayes and a few of his buddies were waving €50 notes out the window at them as they were knocking back champagne.

Not that surprising really..

... and was the caviar dripping from the sides of their mouths?

First Up

Lemlin wrote: »

I'm aware of that. Labour are in government since 2011.

You claim that they grew jobs by 62,000 in the past year. My response is that 87,000 people left the country in 2012 alone.

Interesting that you ignored the rest of my post about 29 of their own councillors leaving and the numerous mistruths they told on their way into power.

Yes, their magic wand is a bit sluggish. I'm sure you know someone with a much better one.

Lemlin

First Up wrote: »

Yes, their magic wand is a bit sluggish. I'm sure you know someone with a much better one.

So why did 29 of their own councillors leave the party in the space of two years? Why did they make promises in the last election that they knew they could not keep?

Labour have alienated their own support and that is why they stand on the brink of oblivion.

Phoebas wrote: »

I think I've reached the end of my abilities to explain the simple fact that there were 62000 more people in employment at the end of 2013 than there were at the start.

It has nothing to do with emigration and it is a net increase in employment - the number of jobs actually created is even higher because the net increase includes replacing jobs that were lost in the same period.

I'm really beginning to think that some people love bad news so much that they'll try any kind of mental trick to explain away good news.

Yes, and I think I've ended the end of my ability to prove that 62,000 jobs isn't very many considering the amount that had been lost in the years previous.

Once you reach the bottom, the only way is up. We were 3% above the EU average. We have now just reached it. Hardly outstanding figures.

And for me the number of people emigrating in 2012 is definitely a factor that would effect employment numbers in 2013. As you said, the job wasn't there at the start of 2013. Was the job there in 2012 or 2011?

A local employer here let 320 people go in 2012. They took on five new specialists in 2013. Isn't it great that they have 'grown' employment by your figures by five?

The 315 let go last in 2012 must just disappear. Labour are in government since 2011 so you can't just pick out 2013 and say "well done lads, those figures are great".

The employment rate went down 18,100 jobs in Q1 2012 alone:

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1024459.shtml

There was an annual decrease in employment of 1.0% or 18,100 in the year to the first quarter of 2012, bringing total employment to 1,786,100;

As I said, when you reach rock bottom the only way is up.

fullaljackeen

Lemlin wrote: »

So why did 29 of their own councillors leave the party in the space of two years? Why did they make promises in the last election that they knew they could not keep?

Labour have alienated their own support and that is why they stand on the brink of oblivion.



Yes, and I think I've ended the end of my ability to prove that 62,000 jobs isn't very many considering the amount that had been lost in the years previous.

Once you reach the bottom, the only way is up. We were 3% above the EU average. We have now just reached it. Hardly outstanding figures.

And for me the number of people emigrating in 2012 is definitely a factor that would effect employment numbers in 2013. As you said, the job wasn't there at the start of 2013. Was the job there in 2012 or 2011?

Agreed.

50,000 Eastern Europeans arrived here in 2005 for example. All of them got work I'd say.

Nodin

fullaljackeen wrote: »

Agreed.

50,000 Eastern Europeans arrived here in 2005 for example. All of them got work I'd say.

That has what to do with what he was on about?

Phoebas

Lemlin wrote: »

Yes, and I think I've ended the end of my ability to prove that 62,000 jobs isn't very many considering the amount that had been lost in the years previous.

Yes. It ended in spectacular failure.

Lemlin

Phoebas wrote: »

Yes. It ended in spectacular failure.

My post is there for you to pick through. I've asked a number of questions I'd like you to answer.

Phoebas

Lemlin wrote: »

My post is there for you to pick through. I've asked a number of questions I'd like you to answer.

You haven't really. You've just repeated your failure to understand the difference between employment numbers and unemploymemt numbers.

Quin_Dub

Nodin wrote: »

He'd be wasted in Europe.

But the Parliament isn't in Amsterdam?? :-)

PopePalpatine

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I didn't watch the debate, was that said to Ronan Mullen? :pac:

First Up

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But the Parliament isn't in Amsterdam?? :-)

I think he's well able to be wasted anywhere in Europe.

force eleven

The European Parliamnet is more powerful than you realise. And that is not a good thing. The establishment parties are quite happy to take the European taxpayers euro, get fat, and disappear for 5 years on a gravy train of junkets and meaningless debate about the size and angle of curvature of bananas.

They need to be shook up. We've taken enough sh1te from Europe.