Socially and Economically Liberal Party in Ireland

jank

alastair wrote: »

Except that the effective rate for an individual earning €33,000 here is comparible with Australia, and well below Sweden, Germany etc. http://www.oecd.org/tax/taxing-wages.htm

Well being a citizen of both countries I can tell you that I have much better opportunities here than in Ireland and that the tax man does not screw you over if you put in some overtime. Again, the highest rate in Australia kicks in at $180,000 (that rate being 45% plus a medicate levy of 1% which gives you free Public Health care that kicks anything Ireland has out of the water). Meanwhile in Ireland if you earn over 33,000 euro you can expect to pay everything over that to the tax man at a rate of 52% and for what? Paying 60 euro to a GP (Its free in OZ)? Crap local services, long queues to get access to health and education...

I know what tax system and public services I would rather have anyway of the weak.

Idbatterim

Meanwhile in Ireland if you earn over 33,000 euro you can expect to pay everything over that to the tax man at a rate of 52% and for what? Paying 60 euro to a GP (Its free in OZ)? Crap local services, long queues to get access to health and education...

This is the thing I find flabbergasting here, you move up to the marginal rate and get RAPED on tax and you have to pay extortionate rates for anything government related... No relation between what you pay in and what you get out. Then I ask where does this fortune people on marginal rates pay in go, I will tell you where, to the most vocal spongers and wasters, complaining about water charges, household tax, because this is one tax they havent got away with. they should go see how their standard of living is on welfare in the UK or Germany or Spain, Portugal etc lol!

carpejugulum

That people don't even understand the difference between liberal and libertarian shows a lot.
Also, does this thread have to be full of socialist trolling?

jank

Idbatterim wrote: »

This is the thing I find flabbergasting here, you move up to the marginal rate and get RAPED on tax and you have to pay extortionate rates for anything government related... No relation between what you pay in and what you get out. Then I ask where does this fortune people on marginal rates pay in go, I will tell you where, to the most vocal spongers and wasters, complaining about water charges, household tax, because this is one tax they havent got away with. they should go see how their standard of living is on welfare in the UK or Germany or Spain, Portugal etc lol!

This is what transpires when half the country is on some sort of welfare payment. Socialism is supposed to be about 'all in it together' not one half pays for the other half.

mikemac1

All the overtime hours you can work available in work. Time and half every evening and double time at weekends

People do it with motor tax bills, summer holidays, whatever plans they have. If they are lucky maybe they have a wedding planned!

But with the high rate of tax many others turn it down.

My local councillor talks non stop about water taxes but never mentions USC. Talks about property tax but never mentions rates and bands of income tax.

Glad to be working

But most of the election posters around here all I see is campaigning on the new taxes when those in a decent job pay far more then these every few months. So why not focus on the main items that hit your take home pay

I care a lot more about when I hit the higher rate then about rates for water.

That's just me

Valmont

If you want evidence in favour of the view that we have a shared culture with the U.K. just remember that Father Ted was produced by Channel 4.

petronius

The PD's were socially and economically liberal. And often a la carte Liberals are uncomfortable with free market individualistic capitalistic polices Liberalism espouses.
They were in favour of liberal market polices, tax individualisation, open market, individual freedom, against state control, against regulation(soft touch regulation) ..
They ultimately failed because their polices were seen to cause the crisis, and Irish people believe in society more than the individual.

AngryLips

petronius wrote: »

The PD's were socially and economically liberal. And often a la carte Liberals are uncomfortable with free market individualistic capitalistic polices Liberalism espouses.
They were in favour of liberal market polices, tax individualisation, open market, individual freedom, against state control, against regulation(soft touch regulation) ..
They ultimately failed because their polices were seen to cause the crisis, and Irish people believe in society more than the individual.

I don't know if they failed because of these policies, the crisis didn't really begin to escalate until they were out of Government IIRC, no? Towards the end they became more socially conservative.

riffmongous

The austrian liberal party got around 8% of the vote in the end (bear in mind there is a different voting system here) which isn't so bad for a new party (better than they did in the general election), however they were polling double that in the build up, until their main candidate said the party was in favour of water privatisation in an interview and it caused them lots of trouble, they had to issue a denial, but it still halved their vote.

petronius

AngryLips wrote: »

I don't know if they failed because of these policies, the crisis didn't really begin to escalate until they were out of Government IIRC, no? Towards the end they became more socially conservative.

I agree towards the end the old fine gael law and order in McDowell got the better of him
But the rump-PDs returned were still the champions of Liberal Economics - and Harney & Grealish were left supporting the FF/Green/Ind government