Should junkies get free travel?

ScumLord

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Not yet maybe, but its coming................

I don't see why. Meth was a reaction to the lack of other drugs. It's relatively easy to make with easy to get ingredients, when people have heroin and coke they won't settle for a meth high. It managed to get a toehold in the US but as long as the heroin and coke run like water in Europe we shouldn't see meth take hold here.

eisenberg1

bodice ripper wrote: »

I doubt it. The price of meth is high in Ireland right now, because it is novel and therefore has a small market.

However, were it to gain popularity the price would plummet. That's why meth is so pervasive in the US, it's ****ing cheap.

Even at today's prices €400 of meth would be lethal, even to a long term user.

So I was wrong, its already here then....and it will become cheap here, it will just take a little time. Look at the price of coke in the 70's and 80's, compare it to now. Meth can be made for FA, so no reason what has happened in the US will not happen here.

bodice ripper

eisenberg1 wrote: »

So I was wrong, its already here then....and it will become cheap here, it will just take a little time. Look at the price of coke in the 70's and 80's, compare it to now. Meth can be made for FA, so no reason what has happened in the US will not happen here.

See Scumlord's post, and calm down. You live in one of the safest places and times humanity has ever seen, stop letting the media frighten you for thrills.

eisenberg1

bodice ripper wrote: »

See Scumlord's post, and calm down. You live in one of the safest places and times humanity has ever seen, stop letting the media frighten you for thrills.

I don't know about you, but I am calm, just having a discussion.

ScumLord

eisenberg1 wrote: »

so no reason what has happened in the US will not happen here.

The American government have made it difficult for some parts of the US to import drugs. That's why they turned to homemade drugs that can be made from locally bought ingredients.

As long as Europeans have easy access to the drugs people actually want (heroin and coke) we won't see meth taking off in a big way.

eisenberg1

ScumLord wrote: »

The American government have made it difficult for some parts of the US to import drugs. That's why they turned to homemade drugs that can be made from locally bought ingredients.

As long as Europeans have easy access to the drugs people actually want (heroin and coke) we won't see meth taking off in a big way.

I am not after an argument here, and to be frank, I only made the "its coming" post as a bit of a joke. I take your point(s), but all I meant was if there is a market for it, a drought of coke or heroin say, or maybe even a false market created for it, it will take off. to what degree will remain to be seen.

In the late 70's you would have been lucky to get morphine in a hospital in Ireland, look what happed with heroin in the space of a few short years.

EyeSight

bodice ripper wrote: »

See Scumlord's post, and calm down. You live in one of the safest places and times humanity has ever seen, stop letting the media frighten you for thrills.

The media? I've seen first hand what they do and how they act. Sure Ireland doesn't have any Lions and poison spiders, I'm sure the fields of bellhooley have low crime, but travelling on the red luas, certain bus routes or even walking down OCS can be very rough.
As another poster mentioned, we've created a culture where the junkies and scum can do whatever they want. We make their lives too easy


If anything i don't think the media is reporting it enough because usually they're the only reason politicians do something

bumper234

EyeSight wrote: »

The media? I've seen first hand what they do and how they act. Sure Ireland doesn't have any Lions and poison spiders, I'm sure the fields of bellhooley have low crime, but travelling on the red luas, certain bus routes or even walking down OCS can be very rough.
As another poster mentioned, we've created a culture where the junkies and scum can do whatever they want. We make their lives too easy


If anything i don't think the media is reporting it enough because usually they're the only reason politicians do something

I work in the city center and travel on public transport. As scummy looking, loud and annoying the junkies are most wouldn't have the energy to fart in your direction. They can be intimidating to some especially when in a group but it would be drunken scum who are more likely to do you harm.

melted_face

it seems the vast majority of people on this site are awful. "junkies", to use a derogatory term, have nothing in the world. they have been sucked in by the horrors of addiction and the attitude of 'fukc the junkies, it's their own bloody fault' is both highly ignorant (or just downright incorrect) and cruel. these people have nothing. leave them off the 2 quid, it means a lot more to them then it does to you or me

bumper234

melted_face wrote: »

it seems the vast majority of people on this site are awful. "junkies", to use a derogatory term, have nothing in the world. they have been sucked in by the horrors of addiction and the attitude of 'fukc the junkies, it's their own bloody fault' is both highly ignorant (or just downright incorrect) and cruel. these people have nothing. leave them off the 2 quid, it means a lot more to them then it does to you or me

So because they made a decision to start taking drugs and became addicted then the people of Dublin and Ireland should just suck it up and let them.off with their free travel?

EyeSight

bumper234 wrote: »

I work in the city center and travel on public transport. As scummy looking, loud and annoying the junkies are most wouldn't have the energy to fart in your direction. They can be intimidating to some especially when in a group but it would be drunken scum who are more likely to do you harm.

I live in the city center so I have just as much experience.
Junkies can be extremely terrifying when they're coming down and need money for their next fix. I've had a friend threatened with a dirty syringe once - something i would fear more than a knife.
Sure, once they're stoned they wouldn't be able to do much harm but they can still shout and bother you. Not dangerous but not a good experience either.

I think non-junkie scumbags are a bigger problem though. They get just as much immunity and special treatment

Arthur Beesley

melted_face wrote: »

it seems the vast majority of people on this site are awful. "junkies", to use a derogatory term, have nothing in the world. they have been sucked in by the horrors of addiction and the attitude of 'fukc the junkies, it's their own bloody fault' is both highly ignorant (or just downright incorrect) and cruel. these people have nothing. leave them off the 2 quid, it means a lot more to them then it does to you or me

Speak for yourself. Some if us are as tight as duck's arses.

Tail Docker

Deleted User wrote: »

You're watching to match breaking bad I think, meth is not big at all in this country and would you really like to be where they are in life? really?

These people are in a horrible place and I know it's true their own actions but they aren't exactly living the life of Riley by any means. I would feel no anger if they get to ride the bus free from their hostels to the methadone clinic and back.

Nope, Meth is slowly replacing heroin as street Heroin is diluted to 10% purity atm, hence a massive rise in Meth use. A Meth user will generally need 4-5 Fixes a day, at €100 a shot. A Meth user is also a whole new source of wildness, as evinced by the current rise in both street-crime and, the media darling du-jour, Car-Jackings.

smellmepower

If a GP is of the opinion that they are disabled due to their addiction then they should,as they are entitled to a travel pass.

If people are sick of the sight of addicts congregating in the City Centre they should hassle their TD's about why proper addiction services encompassing medical,psychiatric,detox,probation and homeless services for Dublin have never even been seriously discussed,and why the city is still (badly) dealing with the same problem that it has been since the 1980's.

Easier to spout wildly ignorant opinions instead though I suppose.

Tail Docker

bodice ripper wrote: »

That's a lot of meth. My arse is the average Irish junky taking €400 of meth. My arse is the average Irish junky even taking meth.

Have you considered having your arse try methodone? And does it get free travvel?

corner of hells

Tail Docker wrote: »

Nope, Meth is slowly replacing heroin as street Heroin is diluted to 10% purity atm, hence a massive rise in Meth use. A Meth user will generally need 4-5 Fixes a day, at €100 a shot. A Meth user is also a whole new source of wildness, as evinced by the current rise in both street-crime and, the media darling du-jour, Car-Jackings.

You are aware that the effects of meth and heroin are completely different , one being an escape ,depresent type of drug , the other being an euphoric recreational stimulant drug.No comparison at all to each other.For a chronic heroin addict , meth would have little or no attraction.

In the drug services and homeless service I've worked in , including needle exchanges in Dublin city centre I've only ever seen one or two people who said they were meth users.

I've only ever heard of a couple of seizures in the south of the country and nor have we recent or new warnings about meth use in any of the services I've worked in.

I'm kinda thinking the media has put two and two together and come up with five in regards to the recent spate of carjackings.

bumper234

Tail Docker wrote: »

Nope, Meth is slowly replacing heroin as street Heroin is diluted to 10% purity atm, hence a massive rise in Meth use. A Meth user will generally need 4-5 Fixes a day, at €100 a shot. A Meth user is also a whole new source of wildness, as evinced by the current rise in both street-crime and, the media darling du-jour, Car-Jackings.

And you have evidence that these crimes were meth related? Or are you just sensationalising a couple of scummy crimes to make it look like there is a meth epidemic?

Dan_Solo

It would pretty literally cost the price of a bus fare to make enough heroin for a junkie's daily intake.
Just legalise the f**king stuff already.

Flippyfloppy

bumper234 wrote: »

So because they made a decision to start taking drugs and became addicted then the people of Dublin and Ireland should just suck it up and let them.off with their free travel?

I'm sure a large percentage of them made this 'decision' when they were around 12 years old. How did that happen?? Who failed them?

Temptamperu

Junkies don't get free travel, people who are on disability and pensioners get free travel.

Shiranui

What if you become disabled because of your drug addication?

EyeSight

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I'm sure a large percentage of them made this 'decision' when they were around 12 years old. How did that happen?? Who failed them?

But making things easier for them won't encourage them to quit.
They have a choice

bodice ripper

Tail Docker wrote: »

Have you considered having your arse try methodone? And does it get free travvel?

I would rather pull my eyes out and shove them, one by one up my own arse, with the optic nerve still attatched than be on methadone. Never mind for a bus pass

bodice ripper

Tail Docker wrote: »

Have you considered having your arse try methodone? And does it get free travvel?

I would rather pull my eyes out and shove them, one by one up my own arse, with the optic nerve still attatched than be on methadone. Never mind for a bus pass

mikeym

Send them on a one way ticket to Afghanistan, theres plenty of opium over there.

Flippyfloppy

EyeSight wrote: »

But making things easier for them won't encourage them to quit.
They have a choice

Making it harder to get to treatment centres won't help either.

Better getting what they need there rather than line the pockets of heroin dealers.

bumper234

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I'm sure a large percentage of them made this 'decision' when they were around 12 years old. How did that happen?? Who failed them?

Their ****ing PARENTS!!!!! Don't start all that "oh it's all societies fault" bolloxollogy.

Flippyfloppy

bumper234 wrote: »

Their ****ing PARENTS!!!!! Don't start all that "oh it's all societies fault" bolloxollogy.

Don't tempt me

Why don't you want me to start talking bolloxollogy? Does it make you uncomfortable because you know there's truth to it?

bumper234

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Don't tempt me

Why don't you want me to start talking bolloxollogy? Does it make you uncomfortable because you know there's truth to it?

If it's bolloxology then it's not true! Start all you like but at the end of the day you and i both know that they made a concious decision to start taking drugs. Blaming where they came from or lack of education/work is no excuse and certainly no reason to blame society in general.for them making idiotic decisions in their lives.

Flippyfloppy

bumper234 wrote: »

If it's bolloxology then it's not true! Start all you like but at the end of the day you and i both know that they made a concious decision to start taking drugs. Blaming where they came from or lack of education/work is no excuse and certainly no reason to blame society in general.for them making idiotic decisions in their lives.

Now now, don't be telling me what I know. I happen to disagree entirely with what you have stated. I have studied topics such as these so I'm well informed and confident in my opinions. But, I'm totally not going to try change your mind, don't wind yourself up about what I know either.