''Shocking'' racist message on n7

stoneill

I like the new symbol - reminds me of RTE during the 70's.

mcko

look at parts of the UK now , schools are being radicalised ,young white girls are groomed by asian men, parts of East London are patrolled by muslims to stop public drinking and couples holding hands.
You can say this won't happen here, I hope not but hey the UK thought the same.

Herb Powell

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So ten years or so down the line what will Ireland be like when big sections of our ''Irish'' population will come from foreign familys.

For example look at the size of the Indian population in England not saying its a bad thing but imagine Ireland down the line with say a Polish influence like that.

Piliger wrote: »

I personally find the casual, lazy and politically motivated abuse of the word “Racist” to be disgusting and revolting.
Throwing around the term and slapping on everyone and anyone who says stuff you don’t like just eviscerates it’s meaning, diminished the whole sickening meaning of being Racist, and destroys the very basis of the language.
Does anyone have a dictionary at hand ? Does language and it’s actual meaning matter to anyone in this whole fiasco ?
These signs are not about race, but are about xenophobia.
We CAN be xenophobic, bigoted and prejudiced and discriminatory and many other bad things. Everything doesn’t have to be Racist !
It’s time we paused … and considered what the right word is the next time we describe this kind of bigotry.
Slapping the WRONG words on this stuff just incites the discussion, totally mis-describes the issue and shows our own ignorance. It also diminishes the seriousness of real racism when it occurs.

dj jarvis wrote: »

are they not ?? well they are more prevalent in certain cultures , square that circle for me Einstein,
you know what i am getting at , your dream land Utopia of cultures will never happen, becasue some "cultures" want to wipe the other off the face of the earth

aspects of some cultures are repugnant to any civilized person and rather than be saved they should be eradicated , any any visitor who pushes these "values" in Ireland can funk right off back to where they came from,

FFS , look at north eastern England , some areas are de facto sharia areas , they have even ran off licences from the area becasue their "culture" demands it , woman not covered up getting abuse on the streets , then the Trojan horse schools scandal , but a white person cant say anything against this becasue apologists like you have labeled them all racist.

so would the Irish populace openly accept letting a city turn into a another cultures ghetto , with their own "culture" , somewhere the size of Limerick or waterford ?

they would in their arse

i am ALL for multiculturalism - it does a country good to have a difference of people, but asking the locals to bend to the guests culture to the determent of our people is a no no

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Seen a lot of people mentioning living in a world of tolerance..... And would do us no harm mixing our gene pool so to say......

Nah.

I'm not stupid I'm aware most of us probably somewhere down the family tree came from other regions but doesn't mean I'd like to continue that myself personally speaking.

The human race is ****ed up enough as it is. I mean to some of u amazing people in here I'm probably a perfect example :-).

Lastlight. wrote: »

People want to live in Ireland and not Romania or Poland. It ceases being Irish and that is the issue.

****ing hell. You people need to get off the internet, and out of the house. See the world how it ACTUALLY is, and stop reading into scaremongering propaganda bullshiit.

People are people everywhere, and NOWHERE I've ever been has not had it's own culture. Massive immigration to England, Germany and France, and yet they are all still they're own nations with their own cultures.

It really makes me despair that people buy into such hateful shiite. Get fuccking educated.

FTA69

mcko wrote: »

,young white girls are groomed by asian men,

Definitely a problem with some Asian men taking a terrible view of white girls but if you think paedophilia and sexual abuse is limited to Muslims you're codding yourself. We can see in the news today many stories about British icons being caught at the same thing.

parts of East London are patrolled by muslims to stop public drinking and couples holding hands.

I'm sorry but this is nonsense. These "Sharia patrols" consist of around 15 individuals in a borough of a million people. They went out a few nights, hassled some hipsters and prostitutes and were moved on by the cops. The places they were are some of the biggest drinking areas in the borough. The same crowd were down in Brick Lane last month hassling Muslim shopkeepers who sold booze and they were promptly told to f*ck off. They represent nobody and have zero impact on the locality.

I'm sat in the middle of East London about to go in and teach an English class to a group of 15 odd Muslim women. These are women who are eager to learn the language, get into work and contribute to their local community. Your portrayal of this community as some sort of sharia zone is simply inaccurate and wrong.

GLaDOS

Speaking of Immigrants in London, this always stood out for me during the riots in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8693558/Immigrants-love-this-country-more-than-we-do.html

In Southall, west London, a crowd of turbaned Sikh men stood guard outside their temples last Tuesday night. Some held swords, others hockey sticks as they defied the looters to approach. None dared.

Over in Whitechapel, rioters were held back by 1,500 Muslim men – mostly Bengali, but also Somalis – emerging from the mosque after evening prayers. In Ealing, Monika Gnoinska, a Pole who came here 20 years ago, and her daughter Agneska, 27, decided that they couldn’t stand by and “watch these gangs wreck the country”. Armed with brooms and dust-pans, they joined their eastern European neighbours in a collective clean-up operation: “The street was full,” Monika said, “and everyone was saying, 'We work hard, and we’re grateful to Britain for what it’s done for us. We won’t allow any more nonsense.’ ” Turks in Dalston, Poles in Ealing, and Kurds in Haringey stood up to the thieving thugs at night, then spent the day helping repair the damage.

Across the country, ethnic communities have emerged as the heroes of the week’s riots – and, in the case of the three Muslim youths who were killed as they defended their neighbourhood in Birmingham, its martyrs. They have shown themselves to be not just as law-abiding as the Anglo-Saxons, but far more inspiring.

For many Britons, who have long looked down on the newcomers, or mocked them for their Borat values, this will come as a surprise – probably an uncomfortable one. The burgeoning immigrant community has been caricatured as anti-gay, anti-women, and dangerously intolerant. The sight of Polish Catholics, Punjabi Sikhs or Muslim Turks has filled liberal hearts with fears of social polarisation, and of religion intruding into the public square. Traditionalists suspect that the Muslim influx, in particular, threatens to destroy the already fragile hold of our Judaeo-Christian traditions: George Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, has warned the Government against taking in groups who fail to “understand our Christian heritage”.

The response to the riots should humble these sceptics. As a cluster of youths stood guard outside the mosque in Whitechapel, Josie Ensor, a Daily Telegraph reporter, asked if they had been moved to defend their own people. They shook their head: they wanted to protect their country, not just their community.

PopePalpatine

Nodin wrote: »

Don't generalise, whatever you do.

I think he's referring more to BNP-type nationalists rather than Sinn Féin-type ones.

How Soon Is Now

Herb Powell wrote: »

****ing hell. You people need to get off the internet, and out of the house. See the world how it ACTUALLY is, and stop reading into scaremongering propaganda bullshiit.

People are people everywhere, and NOWHERE I've ever been has not had it's own culture. Massive immigration to England, Germany and France, and yet they are all still they're own nations with their own cultures.

It really makes me despair that people buy into such hateful shiite. Get fuccking educated.

Why the **** does it always have to come back to who's "educated". That's the easiest way of claiming your above something without having to fight it.

For me this is about me not wanting certain cultures blended into mine.
The way I grew up the Ireland I know i don't want that mixed in with African Asian or to a less extent eastern European ways.

When I said there where people I'd rather never came to Ireland I said it because of how they live act and treat the country.

The Irish people are fairly mixed group at this stage we have moved forward and it's a good thing.

Now I typed up a big bit on what I honestly think of the different groups we have living here now I'd love to post it because I'd say more would agree with it then u think. Most will just hide behind what's safe to say unfortunately though.

Obviously I can't post it because I'll be banned and from what I've already seen and experienced that would be playing into some people s hands perfectly.

Some people need to understand we don't live in this ideal happy everyone is equal world and we never will. The only thing that makes us the same is we all have flesh and bones.

When you were born most people (if not all) didn't have mobile phones now everyone does. Does that changing of culture worry you as much?

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Why the **** does it always have to come back to who's "educated". That's the easiest way of claiming your above something without having to fight it.

For me this is about me not wanting certain cultures blended into mine.
The way I grew up the Ireland I know i don't want that mixed in with African Asian or to a less extent eastern European ways.

When I said there where people I'd rather never came to Ireland I said it because of how they live act and treat the country.

The Irish people are fairly mixed group at this stage we have moved forward and it's a good thing.

Now I typed up a big bit on what I honestly think of the different groups we have living here now I'd love to post it because I'd say more would agree with it then u think. Most will just hide behind what's safe to say unfortunately though.

Obviously I can't post it because I'll be banned and from what I've already seen and experienced that would be playing into some people s hands perfectly.
..............

So essentially you're saying you're a racist and are being persecuted for it.

Bloe Joggs

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I think he's referring more to BNP-type nationalists rather than Sinn Féin-type ones.

That's true, it is what I meant but actually I've found that many of the Sinn Fein ones come under the same umbrella in practice. I've always made a distinction between nationalism and republicanism and I've found that the same mentality we're talking about can exist among people who call themselves republicans but are actually nationalists. The 1969 split changed everything but that's another can of worms I don't want to spill into this already heated discussion.

kunst nugget

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Some people need to understand we don't live in this ideal happy everyone is equal world and we never will. The only thing that makes us the same is we all have flesh and bones.

So the best way to get through life is to be fearful and put down other people different to you? Great philosophy there.

What part of our Irishness will be taken from us by having immigrants in this country? It's been asked by many people here and not one person that has said we'd lose our Irishness has given any sort of coherent answer.

Despite Cameron's promise to reduce immigration in the UK, the The Office for Budget Responsibility in Great Britain says that GB needs a steady flow of migrant workers because they are more likely to work, pay taxes and not be a drain on resources.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

That's true, it is what I meant but actually I've found that many of the Sinn Fein ones come under the same umbrella in practice. I've always made a distinction between nationalism and republicanism and I've found that the same mentality we're talking about can exist among people who call themselves republicans but are actually nationalists. The 1969 split changed everything but that's another can of worms I don't want to spill into this already heated discussion.

It's against party policy. Diametrically opposed to party policy in fact.

How Soon Is Now

kunst nugget wrote: »

So the best way to get through life is to be fearful and put down other people different to you? Great philosophy there.

What part of our Irishness will be taken from us by having immigrants in this country? It's been asked by many people here and not one person that has said we'd lose our Irishness has given any sort of coherent answer.

Despite Cameron's promise to reduce immigration in the UK, the The Office for Budget Responsibility in Great Britain says that GB needs a steady flow of migrant workers because they are more likely to work, pay taxes and not be a drain on resources.

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

It's against party policy. Diametrically opposed to party policy in fact.

That may well be true but try scratching below the surface with the voters and you'll see a different picture. Sinn Fein have always straddled the fence between the left and right, wary of losing their core catholic socially conservative electorate, especially in the North. When cornered on issues like Europe or abortion they may have official policies but again don't like the idea of isolating those core voters so they don't like to talk about those issues too much.

FTA69

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

One of my Bengali students brought me in a curry today. It's delicious. After class we had a cup of tea and a chat. She's hoping to improve her English and get a job in childcare.

Is she the type of person you don't like? I'm a bit confused like.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

That may well be true but try scratching below the surface with the voters and you'll see a different picture. Sinn Fein have always straddled the fence between the left and right, wary of losing their core catholic socially conservative electorate, especially in the North. When cornered on issues like Europe or abortion they may have official policies but again don't like the idea of isolating those core voters so they don't like to talk about those issues too much.

.....I am a voter. They've talked quite a bit about gay marriage over the last decade, and have asked for a more liberal abortion regime down here, along with an amnesty for illegals in the state. They're running a man originally from the Congo in Dublin for a cc seat. I'd suggest you are deeply mistaken.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

I've seen nothing of them that strikes me as particularily notable. What are you referring to?

How Soon Is Now

FTA69 wrote: »

One of my Bengali students brought me in a curry today. It's delicious. After class we had a cup of tea and a chat. She's hoping to improve her English and get a job in childcare.

Is she the type of person you don't like? I'm a bit confused like.

I've met some nice enough Asian people but funny enough they where all from the other side India Pakistan..... Odd that.....

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

.....I am a voter. They've talked quite a bit about gay marriage over the last decade, and have asked for a more liberal abortion regime down here, along with an amnesty for illegals in the state. They're running a man originally from the Congo in Dublin for a cc seat. I'd suggest you are deeply mistaken.

Yes, You're one voter, among many and I would suggest that many of your fellow voters don't actually share many of the same views, that's been my experience with Sinn Fein voters for longer than I can remember. The core philosophy of that party is cultural nationalism, not socialism or internationalism.

kunst nugget

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

Like the families that live in my estate and whose kids play with my kids everyday? I haven't a problem with them at all - we all keep an eye out on our kids when they're playing outside and take turns walking each other's kids to and from school.

I'm sure some of them are probably arseholes but I pretty sure there's going to be around the same percentage of them being arseholes as my Irish neighbours. I don't want my Irish neighbours kicked out of the country because they could be arseholes, why should I want my other neighbours kicked out?

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

If your culture can't survive an influx of immigrants comprising less than a fifth of the population, then it's not worth defending. If you don't want foreign people and you don't want foreign culture, and you think mixing of people and culture is a bad thing, stop lying to yourself about what you are.

How Soon Is Now

Nodin wrote: »

I've seen nothing of them that strikes me as particularily notable. What are you referring to?

In this sense what do u mean by notable?

See you have picked your side here and ive picked mine even if u slightly taught something that falls over into my side u will have me say it instead of u that way you stay in the acceptable side of things dont u ?

How Soon Is Now

Still waiting for someone to tell me something other then they make nice food as a reason why u would want anything from there culture in ours ?

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

In this sense what do u mean by notable?

See you have picked your side here and ive picked mine even if u slightly taught something that falls over into my side u will have me say it instead of u that way you stay in the acceptable side of things dont u ?

Are you literally incapable of believing that someone isn't a xenophobe?

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

Yes, You're one voter, among many and I would suggest that many of your fellow voters don't actually share many of the same views, that's been my experience with Sinn Fein voters for longer than I can remember. The core philosophy of that party is cultural nationalism, not socialism or internationalism.

Then I'd suggest you haven't a bogs notion, tbh. The party has had long standing socialist international links for decades.

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Still waiting for someone to tell me something other then they make nice food as a reason why u would want anything from there culture in ours ?

Can you explain a single aspect of "their" culture you don't think should be here?

How Soon Is Now

desertcircus wrote: »

Are you literally incapable of believing that someone isn't a xenophobe?

Answer my question its really simple.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

In this sense what do u mean by notable?

See you have picked your side here and ive picked mine even if u slightly taught something that falls over into my side u will have me say it instead of u that way you stay in the acceptable side of things dont u ?

Not entirely sure what the second part of that means.

I have seen nothing objectionable about them - Asian or African. There is nothing that makes them stand out as somehow undesirable. You seem to have had a different experience - you might elaborate.

How Soon Is Now

desertcircus wrote: »

Can you explain a single aspect of "their" culture you don't think should be here?

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

Theres no nice way of saying what i have to say its plain as day u either like it or u dont and on here its not acceptable.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

.....so you're a racist then?

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Answer my question its really simple.

The fact that charity for those less fortunate is one of the five pillars of Islam? The high value assigned to academic achievements in certain Asian countries?

Oh, wait a minute, I'm not the one claiming that those foreigners are going to damage Ireland. Go on, tell me how.

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

Theres no nice way of saying what i have to say its plain as day u either like it or u dont and on here its not acceptable.

Ah, so you're such a colossal bigot that even beginning to explain the extent of your bigotry would trigger an instant ban. Gotcha.

How Soon Is Now

Nodin wrote: »

.....so you're a racist then?

You know what i am?

I am someone who doesn't like A LOT of people around the world and things about the world.

My attitude is as simple as this when i want to be nice ill be nice when it suits me to be nice ill do it. If i have reason to not be then thats how ill be.

I aint gonna be put into any categories or labeled because how i think about the world and its people just aint that black and white.

FTA69

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Still waiting for someone to tell me something other then they make nice food as a reason why u would want anything from there culture in ours ?

Because cultures can coexist. The fact your neighbour might eat differently or worship differently isn't some massive threat to you like. Least of all in a country where 90% of people are the same ethnicity.

You just have a massive chip on your shoulder over people getting on with their lives.

Go eat a curry, or drink some sake or ride a black one.

Chill the f*ck out.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

You know what i am?

I am someone who doesn't like A LOT of people around the world and things about the world.

My attitude is as simple as this when i want to be nice ill be nice when it suits me to be nice ill do it. If i have reason to not be then thats how ill be.

I aint gonna be put into any categories or labeled because how i think about the world and its people just aint that black and white.

Vague blather. What is it about Africans and Asians (you might specify which specific group of Asians) you find objectionable?

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

You know what i am?

I am someone who doesn't like A LOT of people around the world and things about the world.

My attitude is as simple as this when i want to be nice ill be nice when it suits me to be nice ill do it. If i have reason to not be then thats how ill be.

I aint gonna be put into any categories or labeled because how i think about the world and its people just aint that black and white.

If you can't explain your stance because doing so would get you instantly banned for racism, then you're a racist. Spin it all you want, but it really is that black and white.

How Soon Is Now

FTA69 wrote: »

Because cultures can coexist. The fact your neighbour might eat differently or worship differently isn't some massive threat to you like. Least of all in a country where 90% of people are the same ethnicity.

You just have a massive chip on your shoulder over people getting on with their lives.

Go eat a curry, or drink some sake or ride a black one.

Chill the f*ck out.

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

You don't like certain races and nationalities. Which makes you...

The King of Moo

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

Theres no nice way of saying what i have to say its plain as day u either like it or u dont and on here its not acceptable.

If you can back up your arguments with facts and evidence then you won't be banned, I'm quite sure.

If you can't, then you're obviously wrong. And racist.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

What people?

What do they do that you don't like?

FTA69

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

Are you mental like? Nobody is saying you have to like everyone you meet. Rather that it's unacceptable to immediately dislike someone because of their ethnicity or religion etc.

At the end of the day mate if you're going to be pretty blatant about disliking people solely because of nationality etc people are going to call you on your bigotry.

You don't get a f*cking get out of jail free card on that one I'm afraid. If you're going to be bigoted then just accept that's what your opinion makes you; and don't start moaning when people won't tolerate it

Reformed Character

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

That would only happen if your three paragraphs were some kind of knuckledragging, racist, hate promoting crap.

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

Then I'd suggest you haven't a bogs notion, tbh. The party has had long standing socialist international links for decades.

And we're zoning into the crux of the issue with Sinn Fein. They have practically no history of union involvement in this country. They were the political branch of the provisional IRA, a group of conservative thinking republicans (nationalists) who decided to go their own way in 1969 when the so called Official IRA were becoming too Marxist and Internationalist for their taste. I don't know a single Trotskyist who ever had anything to do with Sinn Fein yet they've still managed to tout themselves as socialists. It's quite unbelievable.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

And we're zoning into the crux of the issue with Sinn Fein. They have practically no history of union involvement in this country. They were the political branch of the provisional IRA, a group of conservative thinking republicans (nationalists) who decided to go their own way in 1969 when the so called Official IRA were becoming too Marxist and Internationalist for their taste. I don't know a single Trotskyist who ever had anything to do with Sinn Fein yet they've still managed to tout themselves as socialists. It's quite unbelievable.

I was unaware that the two possible choices are Marxism or "conservative thinking".

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

I was unaware that the two possible choices are Marxism or "conservative thinking".

Face it my friend, you've been voting for the wrong party.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

Face it my friend, you've been voting for the wrong party.

No, I think not.

FTA69

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

And we're zoning into the crux of the issue with Sinn Fein. They have practically no history of union involvement in this country. They were the political branch of the provisional IRA, a group of conservative thinking republicans (nationalists) who decided to go their own way in 1969 when the so called Official IRA were becoming too Marxist and Internationalist for their taste. I don't know a single Trotskyist who ever had anything to do with Sinn Fein yet they've still managed to tout themselves as socialists. It's quite unbelievable.

This is a load of sh*te to be honest about it. While there were and are conservatives within the Provisionals there were also a lot of solidly left wing people and everyone else in between. Both Sinn Féin and the IRA had a fairly prominent socialist tendency and the movement in general aligned itself with left-wing and progressive movements around the world. Lastly, Trotsyists aren't the be-all and end-all determiners of who is and who isn't left wing.

Your notion of a group filled solely of rural mass-going reactionaries is a fallacy based on someone with little or no obvious experience of that group.

Grandeeod

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

Wow, that paragraph is so full of hateful nationalism. All these ideas are vague abstractions like...."Irishness"....in other words a collective identity doled out at birth that you're supposed to uphold in the name of the nation state. F**k that *S**t....I've got my own identity and I'm not going to be dictated to on how to conduct my life. My interests, tastes, hobbies, personality, character are all my own, I don't need anyone shoving a pre-packaged version of what I'm supposed to be down my throat. Nationalists never see the big picture, they think they're rebels standing up to some sort of imaginary global conspiracy when they are actually social conformists swallowing the version of themselves that they've been sold by their manipulators.

Do you start to spew accusations before actually reading what was said? What I said is not full of hate, nor would I consider myself a nationalist. I am speaking in relation to the tourism sector in Ireland and if you do not think there is a problem with the product due to the large numbers of foreign workers within it, then you are away with the fairies.

As far back as 1998, it was identified and reffered to by the then Minister for Tourism, Dr. Jim McDaid, at the Irish tourist industry confederation dinner.

Market research has confirmed that the uniqueness of the Irish holiday experience lay in the personal and warm interaction with the Irish people.

That same year a German tour operator featured in the Irish Times and complained about the service in Irish 3 star hotels and said its customers would not mind paying more if they could have a higher degree of service and that all important contact with Irish owners and staff.

This is widely spoken about in the industry and to my knowledge no formal study has been done to assess the impact, despite loads talking about it. Why? The racism card. The ITIC Chairwomen claimed in 2000 that it didn't matter. Tourists would rather be served by a person with broken english than a grumpy Irish one. Nobody wants to be served by anyone grumpy, but the assertion that it doesn't need to be an Irish person flies in the face of what industry workers are hearing from tour operators etc. The fear of being branded a racist for wanting to discuss it or commission studies, is overwhelming. From my time in Italy, I witnessed their policy of limiting the number of foreign workers in their tourism sector, in order to protect its unique product.

In conclusion, I couldn't give a rats arse how many foreign nationals work in the Irish tourism industry, but as approx. 32 percent of employees in the industry are foreign nationals, maybe its time to change the marketing strategy.

force eleven

AdolfHipster wrote: »

I for one welcome our insect overlords.

It said 'country' not 'colony'...

Bloe Joggs

FTA69 wrote: »

This is a load of sh*te to be honest about it. While there were and are conservatives within the Provisionals there were also a lot of solidly left wing people and everyone else in between. Both Sinn Féin and the IRA had a fairly prominent socialist tendency and the movement in general aligned itself with left-wing and progressive movements around the world. Lastly, Trotsyists aren't the be-all and end-all determiners of who is and who isn't left wing.

Your notion of a group filled solely of rural mass-going reactionaries is a fallacy based on someone with little or no obvious experience of that group.

Shinners never like hearing this stuff, because it's a sore point, the realisation that the party they hold dear isn't really all they thought it was. It's a simple fix, just find a party or independent candidate that actually mirrors your values and vote for them instead.