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Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

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  • #252
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313637/Two-IRA-gangsters-shot-cage-.......................hhhhhhhhh

    These lads couldn't have been in the IRA, as it had been disbanded by the time of the incident in question.

    The BBC mentions no such link.....
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-17024000

    The claim of IRA membership comes from one of the men convicted of killing them......

    "Both had blamed the other for the killing of the two men, whom Haigh claimed worked for an IRA gang that "ran" Liverpool's drugs trade."

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cage-fighter-found-guilty-of-murder-683948#ixzz32SCl0syi
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    I'd suggest trying again.


  • #253
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You don't have to apologise.


    Why are you making claims you can't back up?


  • #254
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Beano wrote: »
    I think it is telling that you havent asked for evidence of
    knee capping, murderous and psychotic criminals


    Knee capping went on, the "murderous..." bit is vague blather and hyperbole.


  • #255
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Nodin wrote: »
    These lads couldn't have been in the IRA, as it had been disbanded by the time of the incident in question.

    The BBC mentions no such link.....
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-17024000

    The claim of IRA membership comes from one of the men convicted of killing them......

    "Both had blamed the other for the killing of the two men, whom Haigh claimed worked for an IRA gang that "ran" Liverpool's drugs trade."

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cage-fighter-found-guilty-of-murder-683948#ixzz32SCl0syi
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    I'd suggest trying again.

    And i am the naive one :rolleyes:


  • #256
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Sure ;)

    Yeah, out of the tens of thousands of years served in jail by the Provisionals; how many of them were drug related? The IRA were pretty rabidly anti-drugs and I doubt they would have maintained any support in their communities if they were involved in that carry on. There's plenty of sh*t you could throw at them without making stuff up.

    A mixed race boxer in Liverpool is actually an IRA drug dealer? Hilarious altogether. You haven't a clue lad.


  • #257
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Nodin wrote: »
    Knee capping went on, the "murderous..." bit is vague blather and hyperbole.

    Are you trying to claim they never committed any murders? :eek:


  • #258
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Yeah, out of the tens of thousands of years served in jail by the Provisionals; how many of them were drug related? The IRA were pretty rabidly anti-drugs and I doubt they would have maintained any support in their communities if they were involved in that carry on. There's plenty of sh*t you could throw at them without making stuff up.

    A mixed race boxer in Liverpool is actually an IRA drug dealer? Hilarious altogether. You haven't a clue lad.

    sure.

    Lets get back on topic about the child killer canvassing for a sinn fein candidate shall we ;)


  • #259
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Birroc wrote: »
    OK well I did not mention above but I would also like to know how SF are going to balance the books when the roll back on the austerity measures. Its always about the economy come General Election time, the local elections are just filler.

    What does that have to do with what i posted?


  • #260
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Birroc wrote: »
    OK well I did not mention above but I would also like to know how SF are going to balance the books when the roll back on the austerity measures. Its always about the economy come General Election time, the local elections are just filler.

    im not a shinner (and wont be voting for them) but after the recent tv debates i really would like to see the alternative budget they proposed. i think brian hayes is a disgusting individual and his behaviour in the debates really made me feel he wanted certain topics quashed.

    maybe the shinners have a better answer, show the people and let us decide.


  • #261
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Are you trying to claim they never committed any murders? :eek:

    maybe they only vaguely killed people. Sorta like The Princess Bride where one of the characters was only mostly dead.


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  • #262
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    It's funny that Sinn Féin supporters constantly bring up the name of Nelson Mandela to support their argument that former terrorists can be part of the political process when in reality it merely demonstrates the danger of voting in people with serious question marks over their personal morality-maybe not Mandela himself but certainly his cohorts. Have the ANC done a good job in governing South Africa? Is life better for the average person there-black or white? Has corruption increased? How about the economy in general-how's that doing?
    The difference between Gerry Adams and Nelson Mandela is that Adams sought to impose an impossible, abstract concept (united Ireland) upon the majority using violence whereas Mandela sought a tangible, achievable goal (racial equality) and that is why the IRA failed but the ANC succeeded.


  • #263
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    seamus wrote: »
    I wonder if Larry Murphy were canvassing for Sinn Fein, would people be so quick to defend him. After all, he's served his time, he's old news.

    I do love though that outrage at a convicted and unrepentant murderer is considered anti-SF biase by Shinners. Talking out both sides of your mouths much?
    SF have no problem with convicted child killers, but making racist comments on Facebook crosses the line for them.

    The mind boggles.
    A SINN Fein election candidate has resigned from the party after admitting making anti-Traveller remarks on Facebook three years ago.


  • #264
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    sure.

    Lets get back on topic about the child killer canvassing for a sinn fein candidate shall we ;)

    Exactly...what are you gonna do about it?
    Never vote for SF? I'm sure they are gutted about that...'the one that got away'. :)


  • #265
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Exactly...what are you gonna do about it?
    Never vote for SF? I'm sure they are gutted about that...'the one that got away'. :)

    I think that headline will make it more than "one" that got away ;)


  • #266
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And i am the naive one :rolleyes:

    Sorry, do you know something three governments and an international commission don't?
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Lets get back on topic about the child killer canvassing for a sinn fein candidate shall we

    Because your laughable nonsense has been discredited and jaysus forbid we dwell on that.


  • #267
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

    What do you propose to replace "the establishment" with?

    Are people's lives going to be better afterwards?

    Where are you going to get the money from?



    Still waiting for an answer from the shinners. Says it all really.


  • #268
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    im not a shinner (and wont be voting for them) but after the recent tv debates i really would like to see the alternative budget they proposed. i think brian hayes is a disgusting individual and his behaviour in the debates really made me feel he wanted certain topics quashed.

    maybe the shinners have a better answer, show the people and let us decide.

    Indeed.

    DOES ANYONE IN SINN FEIN EVERY ANSWER ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC POLICY OR LACK THEREOF?


  • #269
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bumper234 wrote: »
    I think that headline will make it more than "one" that got away ;)

    There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves and who will pretend to be politically sophisticated while alternating between FF and FG. Sooner that generation has died out the sooner we might get a real republic and a united island, the only two things that can offer all round stability.


  • #270
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves and who will pretend to be politically sophisticated while alternating between FF and FG. Sooner that generation has died out the sooner we might get a real republic and a united island, the only two things that can offer all round stability.

    Have never voted for FG or FF, As long as SF have child killers canvassing for them then they will never be in power.


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  • #271
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Still waiting for an answer from the shinners. Says it all really.

    Why is it you made a specific claim back here, but have refused to back it up?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206


  • #272
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves and who will pretend to be politically sophisticated while alternating between FF and FG. Sooner that generation has died out the sooner we might get a real republic and a united island, the only two things that can offer all round stability.

    You mean as soon as the people who know what the ira are really like die off?


  • #273
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Birroc wrote: »
    Indeed.

    DOES ANYONE IN SINN FEIN EVERY ANSWER ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC POLICY OR LACK THEREOF?

    You'll have to ask that of somebody who is actually in SF, it is not like their policies are top secret.
    How do you assess performance of a party who are not in power on economic policy?
    How do you assess the performance of parties who have been in power since the foundation of the state on their economic policies by the way?


  • #274
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Beano wrote: »
    You mean as soon as the people who know what the ira are really like die off?

    Well they always say never forget, Hopefully people will never forget what they are.


  • #275
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FTA69 wrote: »
    An IRA drugs gang in 2011 Liverpool?

    If you believe a word of this you're a fool.

    They haven't gone away you know!


  • #276
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Beano wrote: »
    You mean as soon as the people who know what the ira are really like die off?

    The IRA don't exist anymore and anybody with an ounce of sense knows what they where like.


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  • #277
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves and who will pretend to be politically sophisticated while alternating between FF and FG. Sooner that generation has died out the sooner we might get a real republic and a united island, the only two things that can offer all round stability.

    Wishing currently living people dead so Sinn Fein can get into power?

    A new low.


  • #278
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Birroc wrote: »
    Indeed.

    DOES ANYONE IN SINN FEIN EVERY ANSWER ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC POLICY OR LACK THEREOF?
    They always say they've had their policies checked by the Dept. of Finance. Dunno if that's true, but no other politician has pulled them up on it on debates or chat shows that when SF have said it.

    EDIT: Although obviously our Dept. of Finance doesn't know arse from elbow, so make of their approval what you will!


  • #279
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Valetta wrote: »
    Wishing currently living people dead so Sinn Fein can get into power?

    A new low.

    :D:D:D I was right....Liveline is over. :rolleyes:

    'Wishing currently living people dead'....that's an absolute corker! Thanks.


  • #280
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You'll have to ask that of somebody who is actually in SF, it is not like their policies are top secret.

    This is the mentality of SF supporters -they don't even KNOW the policies of the party they want to vote for. Like sheep being led to the slaughterhouse.


    Ok let's try again:

    What do you propose to replace "the establishment" with?

    Are people's lives going to be better afterwards?

    Where are you going to get the money from?


  • #281
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Ok let's try again:

    What do you propose to replace "the establishment" with?
    Is that a SF policy? Can you show me where they've said this?


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  • #282
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Have never voted for FG or FF, As long as SF have child killers canvassing for them then they will never be in power.

    As you are so concerned about child killers, how come you are miraculously silent on the child killer of 11 yr old Francis Rowntree whose issue was in the news yesterday? http://www.u.tv/News/Soldier-could-be-prosecuted-over-boy-death/4ce8f4ea-060f-46d6-9ce4-dba402a51f8f

    Perhaps you are silent because the murderer was a British soldier?


  • #283
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This is the mentality of SF supporters -they don't even KNOW the policies of the party they want to vote for. Like sheep being led to the slaughterhouse.


    Coming from somebody that made a claim they can't backup, that's a bit much.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206


  • #284
    Birroc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Birroc


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    How do you assess performance of a party who are not in power on economic policy?

    You ask for their plans...and then you get those plans costed.

    I am talking about how they will balance the budget. You are talking about economic performance such as growth etc which is unknown?

    I don't want future unknowns, I want plans on the day-to-day spending.


  • #285
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves

    You are an unintentionally funny guy. Because I always assumed, wrongfully according to you, that the average shinner supporter might not be among the brightest tools in the box. But you have set me straight in my ways.


  • #286
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    they don't even KNOW the policies of the party they want to vote for.

    :confused: Where you not the one asking to be told about their very public policies?

    If you want a debate on their economic policy, start another thread.


  • #287
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    moxin wrote: »
    As you are so concerned about child killers, how come you are miraculously silent on the child killer of 11 yr old Francis Rowntree whose issue was in the news yesterday? http://www.u.tv/News/Soldier-could-be-prosecuted-over-boy-death/4ce8f4ea-060f-46d6-9ce4-dba402a51f8f

    Perhaps you are silent because the murderer was a British soldier?

    Is he running for election or canvassing on behalf of somebody who is? If not then he is not relevant here.


  • #288
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You are an unintentionally funny guy. Because I always assumed, wrongfully according to you, that the average shinner supporter might not be among the brightest tools in the box. But you have set me straight in my ways.


    More love and fluff, from the man who can't back up his own claims.

    Did you in fact make this up?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206


  • #289
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    moxin wrote: »
    As you are so concerned about child killers, how come you are miraculously silent on the child killer of 11 yr old Francis Rowntree whose issue was in the news yesterday? http://www.u.tv/News/Soldier-could-be-prosecuted-over-boy-death/4ce8f4ea-060f-46d6-9ce4-dba402a51f8f

    Perhaps you are silent because the murderer was a British soldier?

    It's only child killers who help peace makers that get the ire around these parts...keep up!


  • #290
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    Beano wrote: »
    Is he running for election or canvassing on behalf of somebody who is? If not then he is not relevant here.

    They never release that info. What we know is that throughout the course of the Troubles the soldiers who killed kids served for either a Conservative or a Labour govt. Where are the protests??


  • #291
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You are an unintentionally funny guy. Because I always assumed, wrongfully according to you, that the average shinner supporter might not be among the brightest tools in the box. But you have set me straight in my ways.

    And the people who keep voting the Bertie's and Enda's are the brighest tools? This thread is giving so much today! Keep it up.


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  • #292
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Birroc wrote: »
    You ask for their plans...and then you get those plans costed.
    I'm sure I've seen SF say many times their plans have been costed. And nobody even tried to pick holes in them.


  • #293
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    moxin wrote: »
    They never release that info. What we know is that throughout the course of the Troubles the soldiers who killed kids served for either a Conservative or a Labour govt. Where are the protests??

    That explains why Ireland has never had a conservative government then.


  • #294
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    :confused: Where you not the one asking to be told about their very public policies?

    If you want a debate on their economic policy, start another thread.

    Bullsh!t avoidance. Sinn Féin don't have ANY credible economic policy and were a firmly Marxist party only a couple of years a go. That's simply a fact. They are populists preying on the vulnerable so that they get in and well and truly finish this country off.


  • #295
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    and well and truly finish this country off.

    Excellent!
    What would in sport be called a 'home run'.


  • #296
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Bullsh!t avoidance..

    Ahhh,the irony.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Sinn Féin don't have ANY credible economic policy and were a firmly Marxist party only a couple of years a go. That's simply a fact. They are populists preying on the vulnerable so that they get in and well and truly finish this country off.


    "preying on the vulnerable"...how? Like making stuff up?


  • #297
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Nodin wrote: »
    More love and fluff, from the man who can't back up his own claims.

    Did you in fact make this up?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206

    They were scumbags in to drugs, violence and extortion - take your pick. And everybody knows that. You can't hide it.

    And look at the glorious leftovers of the provos today. Gangsters and thugs.


  • #298
    [Deleted User]
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    The Indo are in the same category as the sun and the daily mail these days and has been for a while.


  • #299
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You can't hide it.

    Well show us then.


  • #300
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/election2014/election2014-news/brian-hayes-hits-out-at-lsquocut-and-pastersquo-sinn-fein-budget-269458.html

    SF do have their budgets costed by DoF.
    This is hilarious:
    But Mr Hayes said: “The idea that [the Sinn Féin] proposals have been costed just doesn’t stack up. Their pre-budget submission was based on parliamentary replies to questions. They did a cut-and-paste job on the replies to those questions and they made assumptions as to the amounts you could obtain through their tax measures.”
    So he's complaining that SF used FG's answers to Dail questions as a basis for their economic policy? Er, does that mean your answers were all lies then Mr Hayes? :eek:


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  • #301
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They were scumbags in to drugs, violence and extortion - take your pick. And everybody knows that. You can't hide it.

    And look at the glorious leftovers of the provos today. Gangsters and thugs.


    Violence does tend to be part of an armed struggle. Its not a name for arm wrestling or anything.

    Where is your evidence for the drugs claim?


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