Low voter turn out in Dublin

Aongus Von Bismarck

DeanAustin wrote: »

So you think Enda is the same as Lowry? Noonan is the same as Healy-Rae?

Really?

He hasn't given it any thought. Its the same tired old slogans people spout out when they're too intellectually lazy to inform themselves.

Reformed Character

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

He hasn't given it any thought. Its the same tired old slogans people spout out when they're too intellectually lazy to inform themselves.

Like those who make wild, inaccurate, and factually incorrect statement about Dublin and its population, just so they can appear to be controversial?:rolleyes:

Aongus Von Bismarck

upyores wrote: »

Like those who make wild, inaccurate, and factually incorrect statement about Dublin and its population, just so they can appear to be controversial?:rolleyes:

What is factually incorrect? Voters in Dublin turn out in lower numbers than the rest of the populace. That's a fact.

Collie D

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

What is factually incorrect? Voters in Dublin turn out in lower numbers than the rest of the populace. That's a fact.

So back it up with facts. I don't know the figures and have no reason to think you're making it up but proof is always nice.

Especially when your opening post just sounds like a rant against Dublin.

In short prove it or **** off

Reformed Character

The national average turnout level for the 2013 Seanad Referendum was 39.23% (the turnout level for the other referendum on the Court of Appeal) was 39.15%), but this masks significant variations across the state at the (Dáil) constituency level, as shown by Figure 1 above. The highest turnout level was associated with the Dublin North-Central constituency (48.20%), with notably higher than average turnout levels also being associated with the Dún Laoghaire (46.16%), Dublin South (45.96%) and Wicklow (45.09%) constituencies. By contrast, the lowest referendum turnout levels were associated with the two Donegal constituencies – Donegal North-East (29.24%) and Donegal South-West (30.47%) – and Cavan-Monaghan (34.48%).
http://adriankavanaghelections.org/2013/11/19/geography-and-elections-2014-seanad-referendum-voter-turnout-levels-in-dublin-city/

Dr. Bre

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I often find when I chat to a "tru-blu salt a' de aaiirrth" Dub, that they are the most vocal about how the government are absolutely terrible, how they're all a bunch of cowboys, etc. etc.

In my experience Dubs moan the most about the political issues of the day. However, consistently, in every single election, Dublin registers the lowest voter turnout. Yesterday's was no exception.

Why is that? Are Dubs all talk, but when it actually comes to exercising their political rights, they really don't care all that much?

somebody's annoyed by the election results and is looking to blame...

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Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Voters in Dublin turn out in lower numbers than the rest of the populace. That's a fact.

upyores wrote: »

The highest turnout level was associated with the Dublin North-Central constituency (48.20%), with notably higher than average turnout levels also being associated with the Dún Laoghaire (46.16%), Dublin South (45.96%) and Wicklow (45.09%) constituencies. By contrast, the lowest referendum turnout levels were associated with the two Donegal constituencies – Donegal North-East (29.24%) and Donegal South-West (30.47%) – and Cavan-Monaghan (34.48%).
http://adriankavanaghelections.org/2013/11/19/geography-and-elections-2014-seanad-referendum-voter-turnout-levels-in-dublin-city/

Ha ha. Love boards

Aongus Von Bismarck

nm wrote: »

Ha ha. Love boards

Don't get too excited. He picked the anomaly rather than the trend. Very dishonest of him.

While turnout levels within the City constituencies had increased by over ten percent within a period of (less than) nine years, the average Dublin City turnout level still remained lower than the national average (69.9%), in keeping with the general trend in turnout geographies for general and local elections wherein turnout levels tend to be higher in rural areas/constituencies than in urban areas/constituencies.

Peregrine

Children's referendum 2012:

Average national turnout: 33.5%

1328 Dublin North West has narrowly voted to reject the referendum – No 50.39% Yes 49.61%. Turnout was 36%.

1327 Dublin North Central has passed the referendum – Yes 63.31% No 36.69%. Turnout was 42%.

1327 Dublin West has approved the referendum – Yes 60.84% No 39.16%. Turnout was 35%.

1324 Dublin South West has passed the referendum – Yes 51.93% 48.07%. Turnout was 36%.

1323 Dublin North East has voted in favour of the referendum – Yes 60.10% No 30.90%. Turnout was 39%.

1319 Dublin Central has passed the referendum – Yes 58.65% No 41.35%. Turnout was 32%.

1317 Dublin South Central has voted in favour of the referendum – Yes 54.89% No 45.11%. Turnout was 35%.

1311 Dublin Mid-West has passed the referendum, becoming the first Dublin constituency to announce an official result – Yes 55.21% No 44.79%. Turnout was 35%.

1334 Dublin South East has approved the referendum – Yes 71.87% No 28.13%. Turnout 34%.

1333 Dublin North has passed the referendum - Yes 64.83% No 35.17%. Turnout was 36%.

1332 Dublin South has passed the referendum – Yes 73.03% No 26.97%. Turnout was 41%.

1338 Dún Laoghaire has passed the referendum – Yes 71.57% No 28.43%. Turnout was 42%.


Rest of the country:

1314 Kildare South has passed the referendum – Yes 57.79% No 42.21%. Turnout was 29%.

1312 Louth has approved the referendum – Yes 53.09% No 46.91%. It had looked earlier that the constituency would return a No vote. Turnout was 32%.

1257 Galway West has passed the referendum – Yes 62.20% 37.80%. Turnout was 28%.

1255 Wexford has voted in favour of the referendum – Yes 54.83% No 45.17%. Turnout was 33%.

1254 Mayo has passed the referendum - Yes 53.01% No 46.99%. Turnout was 32%.

1253 Roscommon-South Leitrim has approved the referendum – Yes 52.92% No 47.08%. Turnout was 34%.

1252 Kerry North-Limerick West has voted in favour of the referendum – Yes 53.65% No 46.35%. Turnout was 29%.

1248 Meath East has voted in favour of the referendum – Yes 59.80% No 40.20%. Turnout was 32%.

1243 Laois-Offaly has accepted the referendum – Yes 53.66% No 46.34%. Turnout was 32%.

1243 Wicklow has passed the referendum – Yes 59.99% No 40.01%. Turnout was 40%.

1241 Clare has voted in favour of the referendum - Yes 61.71% No 38.29%. Turnout was 32%.

1235 Carlow-Kilkenny has passed the referendum – Yes 59.18% No 40.82%. Turnout was 34%.

1232 Waterford has voted in favour of the referendum – Yes 55.95% No 44.05%. Turnout was 35%.

1232 Longford-Westmeath has approved the referendum – Yes 54.88% No 45.12%. Turnout was 31%.

1227 Cork South Central has passed the referendum – Yes 59.52% No 40.48%. Turnout was 36%.

1223 Kerry South has voted in favour of the referendum – Yes 57.06% No 42.94%. Turnout was 29%.

I'm just copy pasting the ones I see from here:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1111/345146-live-childrens-referendum/
Not picking them out.


Highest voter turnout: Dublin North Central and Dun Laoghaire with 42%.
Lowest voter turnout: Donegal North East with 24%.

Reformed Character

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Don't get too excited. He picked the anomaly rather than the trend. Very dishonest of him.

Nothing dishonest about it at all, I picked the last vote that statistics were available for, that is the most recent opportunity people had to vote.
Sad but not unexpected that having clearly lost the argument behind your sensationalist post you resort to petty name calling.

Phoebas

Follaton_Wood wrote: »

I'm not registered to vote. I always said I wouldn't register until I actually believed in the system. Can't see that happening any time soon.

Not while you're sitting around waiting for others to hand it to you on a plate.

Aongus Von Bismarck

upyores wrote: »

Nothing dishonest about it at all, I picked the last vote that statistics were available for, that is the most recent opportunity people had to vote.
Sad but not unexpected that having clearly lost the argument behind your sensationalist post you resort to petty name calling.

Yet in elections previous to that the opposite is true and urban areas, particularly Dublin had lower turnouts. So yes, it was dishonest.

What names have I called you? You're starting to imagine things now...

SmurfX

West Brits. Probably turned up to a school on Thursday to vote for UKIP.

Tail Docker

I always vote, I make an effort to always head down and tick a box, except this time. Labour and FG were supposed to be the new wave, a change. They welshed on every promise they made, imo. So this time, I didn't bother. What's the point? Disgraceful of me, I know.

Reformed Character

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Very dishonest of him.

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

it was dishonest.

What names have I called you?

Eh, Try "Dishonest".

Peregrine

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Yet in elections previous to that the opposite is true and urban areas, particularly Dublin had lower turnouts. So yes, it was dishonest.

What names have I called you? You're starting to imagine things now...

So in the last two referendums, Dublin had higher turnouts than the rest of the country. This is a fact.

You're saying that in elections and referendums before that, Dublin had lower turnouts than the rest of the country.

So clearly..

There's no ****ing clear trend here?

Very dishonest of you to ignore the most recent referndums and say Dublin had below lower turnouts in elections before that to make your silly generalisation of all Dubs. People have also provided legitimate reasons as to why Dublin might have lower than average turnouts. Yet, you've ignored them.

You still haven't showed us any elections where Dublin did have below average turnouts btw, not saying there weren't any but it would be nice of you to put some effort into your silly claims.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

So in the last two referendums, Dublin had higher turnouts than the rest of the country. This is a fact.

You're saying that in elections and referendums before that, Dublin had lower turnouts than the rest of the country.

So clearly..

There's no ****ing clear trend here?

Very dishonest of you to ignore the most recent referndums and say Dublin had below lower turnouts in elections before that to make your silly generalisation of all Dubs.

You still haven't showed us any elections where Dublin did have below average turnouts btw, not saying there weren't any but it would be nice of you to put some effort into your silly claims

I'm talking about elections, not referendums, in which Dublin and other urban centres statistically have a lower turn out that the rural areas.

Reformed Character

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'm talking about elections, not referendums, in which Dublin and other urban centres statistically have a lower turn out that the rural areas.

Don't strain your back moving those goalposts around!:D:D:D

AlwaysAnyTime

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'm talking about elections, not referendums, in which Dublin and other urban centres statistically have a lower turn out that the rural areas.

Post some concrete evidence then, actual numbers and percentages of voter turnout per constituency (like other people have done). Instead of linking to a 1 line statement saying something like "the trend shows lower turnout in urban areas". Show us the proof. That's all we want. Otherwise admit you are talking rubbish.

Aongus Von Bismarck

upyores wrote: »

Don't strain your back moving those goalposts around!:D:D:D

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I often find when I chat to a "tru-blu salt a' de aaiirrth" Dub, that they are the most vocal about how the government are absolutely terrible, how they're all a bunch of cowboys, etc. etc.

In my experience Dubs moan the most about the political issues of the day. However, consistently, in every single election, Dublin registers the lowest voter turnout. Yesterday's was no exception.

Why is that? Are Dubs all talk, but when it actually comes to exercising their political rights, they really don't care all that much?

No goalpost shifting here mate.

Try reading the OP next time.

AlwaysAnyTime

However, consistently, in every single election, Dublin registers the lowest voter turnout.

You realize what you are saying there, that there has NEVER been an election where Dublin didn't register the lowest voter turnout?? All it takes is 1 election (in the history of the state) where Dublin wasn't lowest, to prove that statement is incorrect anyway. Don't be surprised that people will pull you up on such broad-sweeping statements.

Peregrine

My question to you, OP:


Why do rural areas consistently register lower than average turnouts in referendums? Are they all just talk?

Ficheall

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I often find when I chat to a "tru-blu salt a' de aaiirrth" Dub

Not to derail this important thread, but what sort of accent is that supposed to be?

Aongus Von Bismarck

Ficheall wrote: »

Not to derail this important thread, but what sort of accent is that supposed to be?

The Brennan's Bread man accent.

A Dub in Glasgo

Ficheall wrote: »

but what sort of accent is that supposed to be?

1/3 Dub, 1/3 Culchie, 1/3 German

kowloon

strobe wrote: »

people from the country do nothing but sit around petting cows and drinking tea

They were chickens you Dub fool! :pac:

Perhaps local elections are more parochial in nature, hence the higher rural turnout? Just a guess.

thecatspjs

kowloon wrote: »

They were chickens you Dub fool! :pac:

Perhaps local elections are more parochial in nature, hence the higher rural turnout? Just a guess.

Get out of here with your logic. :pac:

B.A._Baracus

DeanAustin wrote: »

So you think Enda is the same as Lowry? Noonan is the same as Healy-Rae?

Really?

They're all the same, mate.
You do realise being a politician is a job. A job that can pay nicely. Tell the people what they want, get it, make money.

But let's just say that there was a decent politician. A man or woman who generally means what they say. Who wants to make a difference..... They would be the serpico. An honest person in a dirty game. Wonder how far they would go.

JustAddWater

gerard_65 wrote: »

At least we don't elect Lowry or Healy-Rae.

No, just hanafin

John_Rambo

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Are Dubs all talk?

No. You are.

Lone Stone

you should be able to vote online so citizens who moved abroad can have a say, also would be helpful for the disabled, or even people who cant get out of work etc

Amirani

Lone Stone wrote: »

you should be able to vote online so citizens who moved abroad can have a say, also would be helpful for the disabled, or even people who cant get out of work etc

Anonymity and coercion are big issues, how can online voting deal with them?

Why should people who moved abroad have any say?

Reformed Character

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Why should people who moved abroad have any say?

That + 1000

Shakespeare's Sister

Of course politicians are not all the same. That's just a thing people throw out like "They're all gangsters" without any actual thought.
Obviously politicians have differing ideologies, aims. Some probably are just power-grabbers, but others actually want to make a change.
It's just "the thing" though, to say all politicians are scum yadda yadda. Soundbites with no substance.

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Haha :pac: someone is going to know why i find this funny.

I find it funny too when someone says walking around *Dublin* makes them think that a large percentage of the population of *Ireland* is not Irish.

Shakespeare's Sister

Deleted User wrote: »

How do you plan on changing the system if you have no input?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6J_zKvAQSeA/UadYVIT8m1I/AAAAAAAAQGk/xVE1N0XBUOo/s1600/cant+someone+else.jpg

Spring Onion

Quality of life is relatively poor in Dublin. Usual city problems of overcrowding, drugs and crime. I imagine that has an effect on voter turnout.

DeanAustin

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

They're all the same, mate.
You do realise being a politician is a job. A job that can pay nicely. Tell the people what they want, get it, make money.

But let's just say that there was a decent politician. A man or woman who generally means what they say. Who wants to make a difference..... They would be the serpico. An honest person in a dirty game. Wonder how far they would go.

You do realise that not everybody who does the same job is the same as everyone else in that field?

You do realise that some politicians have used their position to pocket money dishonestly?

Say what you like about Kenny but he isn't corrupt.

miss no stars

Follaton_Wood wrote: »

I'm not registered to vote. I always said I wouldn't register until I actually believed in the system. Can't see that happening any time soon.

Lame excuse. Nothing more than a lame excuse for shirking your civic duties.

EyeSight wrote: »

I didn't vote because no candidate or party deserved mine. I didn't agree with any of them

I think it's better to not vote than vote just for the sake of it

No, it's not. It's really not best. Read up on the candidates and pick the one you object to least. Or go spoil your vote and at least send a statement. Sitting at home on your arse does nothing and just says you need to grow up. I didn't agree with any of them, but I went out and voted for those I disagreed with the least. As in, the best of a bad lot. Because I'd much rather cast my vote and have someone get in to whom I moderately object, rather than not casting a vote and allowing hard-liner idiots get all their muppet candidates in.

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I'm still registered to vote in Dublin despite being emigrated eight years. My parents keep sending off the forms as part of their delusion that I'm coming back one day.

That's actually quite sad.

fta93

I live in an area of Dublin which is working class, high unemployment, and usually votes in diabolical numbers (just above 30% last time out).

But this time, turnout was around the 50% mark. Interestingly 6/9 of our elected councillors are SF/PBP/AAA, whereas in the low turnout last election, FG and 2 Lab got in as TD's.

I've seen the usuals who say "ah im not gonna vote, it doesn't matter to me", but they voted this year. Anger has mobilised bigger numbers of the lower classes to come out and vote. 50% is still relatively poor, but its big time up on last year.

Rosy Posy

miss no stars wrote: »

That's actually quite sad.

I know I've been very honest with them. Had to persuade them to take my name off the answer phone message as living in their house- apart from a couple of months when I'd returned from travelling I haven't lived with them since I was 18, fifteen years ago!

neamhspleachi

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I hadn't realised Dubs were a separate race?

or that you had misplaced your finely-tuned sense of humour

stmol32

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

What is factually incorrect? Voters in Dublin turn out in lower numbers than the rest of the populace. That's a fact.

I agree this is a fact I read it on http://www.ireckon.com and double checked it on http://www.pulledfrom-mehole.edu which is an educational site so it must be true.

markpb

Spring Onion wrote: »

Quality of life is relatively poor in Dublin. Usual city problems of overcrowding, drugs and crime. I imagine that has an effect on voter turnout.

It's sad that you believe that. Link