Anti-Irish (and anti-immigrant) councillor elected in Northern Ireland

Galwayguy35 · 29-05-2014 5:45pm

She should hook up with Willie Frazer, I think they would be very happy together.

circadian · 29-05-2014 5:51pm

Nodin wrote: »

"The UK's only Chinese-born parliamentarian will not seek re-election to the Northern Ireland assembly due to continual racist abuse directed at her by loyalists, she confirmed on Thursday.
Anna Lo told the Guardian she had had enough and would not run again for the centrist Alliance party in the next Stormont assembly elections.
The Hong-Kong-born immigrant, who has lived in Northern Ireland for four decades, said she was also considering leaving the province for good because of enduring sectarianism and now rising racism.
Lo, who represents South Belfast in the regional parliament, blamed continual racist behaviour towards her, as well as first minister Peter Robinson's support for a born-again Christian preacher's depiction of Islam as "the spawn of the devil", as her reasons for wanting out of Ulster politics.
In an interview with the Guardian on Thursday, Lo said she was shaken up by a recent incident during the European election campaign when a loyalist mob followed her out of an east Belfast shopping centre."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/29/northern-ireland-chinese-mp-might-leave-province-racist-abuse

Yeah, there's that rough charm again....

Losing Anna Lo from NI politics is a massive step backwards. It's terrible what she has had to pit up with and Robinson has proven himself once again to be completely unfit for his position.

Hopefully the silver lining will be that the issue of racism in NI gains more traction to deal with it before it's too late.

dj jarvis · 29-05-2014 6:01pm

Karl Stein wrote: »

That's a bit unfair. There are plenty of ordinary people of unionist heritage who'd be wholeheartedly against that shit.

no its not , lots more on the nationalist side that dont act like this
there is a section of loyalist people who are nothing better than racist scum , im sure there are republican racist scum , but funny , it only the loyalists the get the headlines - repeatedly

do they have a better communications dept ? :rolleyes:

i am full sure "normal" loyalists are rolling their eyes - but not doing much more about it - they do run the NI assembly .

twowheelsgood · 29-05-2014 6:08pm

Nodin wrote: »

Given that this is a thread about bigotry within the unionist/loyalist community (a major problem, with attacks on Poles, Romanians etc) I find it most curious you want to hijack it and attack the Republican community.

The post I first replied to was one about Adams embrace of unionism and you obviously had no problem with this drift because you thanked the post. My subsequent posts questioned the sincerity of this and drifted little further.

But if you want to return to the main course then off you go. I’ll say no more.

Shakespeare's Sister · 29-05-2014 6:42pm

Lastlight's attempt at veiling how much of a fan of this woman he is, is hilarious.

But anyway, how can someone say pretty much no republicans/nationalists have any respect for moderate unionists "in my opinion"? It's a statement that is either fact or not - opinion (subjectivity) has nothing to do with it.
I don't understand why it's such a dead cert that most republicans/nationalists would have no respect for moderate unionists' views. I'm sure lots don't, but where's the proof that hardly any do?
And what's "cack" about "We need to work together"?

Was someone saying too that calling the union jack the butcher's apron is on a par with what this woman has been saying?

ryan101 wrote: »

I take it you don't have much experience of Irish politicians then ? It's par for the course.
I've seen handwritten correspondence from one Irish minister who repeatedly could not spell the word business.
Guess what portfolio they happened to hold at the time ? You guessed it, Enterprise, Trade and & Employment.

I had a look for Da Shins Kelly's post saying it's ok if Irish politicians write crappily. Couldn't find it.

twowheelsgood wrote: »

I equally disapprove of the rise of the UKIP (presumably you sent Nigel a congrats card?)

Because yeh, all nationalism is the same. People who grow up in conflict areas and are persecuted for the community they're part of... being defensive of their community is so totally the same as being a far-right tit.

MakeEmLaugh · 29-05-2014 6:45pm

Karl Stein wrote: »

I don't know much about Eoghan Harris tbh so can't really comment on that.

Here's some of what Eoghan Harris has written/said about unionists over the years. Harris also wrote the speech for David Trimble in which he said Northern Ireland had been "a cold house for Catholics". That's one of the biggest concessions to Catholics and nationalists in Northern Ireland that a unionist has ever given.

"Far from being pro-Unionist, I do not want Ireland to be part of the United Kingdom. But, as a Wolfe Tone republican, I feel I have a firm duty to defend the rights of Protestants and Dissenters to do their own thing until such time as we can persuade them their future is in a federal Ireland."

Sunday Independent

"I am not a nationalist, I am a Wolfe Tone Republican. In pursuit of that ideal I have been forced to continually shift positions, much like a man in a cinema who keeps changing his seat, but only so he can get a clean view of the same film. And the title of the film, of which I never tire, is The Future Irish Republic."

Sunday Independent

"The automatic assumption that everything a unionist does is wrong is not good for us. Like, how could everything that unionists do be wrong? I mean, they're not a special people. They're not a kind of special bad people."

Questions And Answers, Monday, 19 July 1999

"Above all, most Irish nationalists entertain the fiction of Irish exceptionalism, the false conviction that Ireland suffered more under British colonialism than any other comparable people. Let me be clear. I am not saying something nasty did not happen in the historical woodshed. What I am saying is that what happened was neither as nasty as we believe, nor did it last as long as we believe, nor was it all the work of some beastly British soldier passing by."

Sunday Independent

Shakespeare's Sister · 29-05-2014 6:49pm

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Anyone from a nationalists background who offers anything more than insincere platitudes, such as your own, will be treated with the same contempt by republicans.

Can you read minds? How is it insincere? I'm from the Republic of Ireland and while I'm not particularly nationalistic (as it's never been much of a concern for me) I couldn't be arrogant enough to tell nationalists or moderate republicans who grew up in the North that their nationalism (borne of conflict and discrimination) was wrong of them.
Ditto I couldn't tell moderate unionists they're wrong to feel how they feel.
And I don't give a **** what more hardline republicans think of that!

Eoghan Harris for example. If republicans / nationalists were sincere in their assertion that unionists were to be welcomed in a united Ireland, Harris would be seen by them as nothing more than a curiosity and not the major hate figure that he actually is.

Oh yeh Harris is just a reasonable man who happens to seek understanding of the position of unionists. If only.
His aggressive sneering and whataboutery would be the issue for me.

Fratton Fred · 29-05-2014 7:15pm

Magaggie wrote: »

Was someone saying too that calling the union jack the butcher's apron is on a par with what this woman has been saying?.

Did you find her comments about a st Patrick's day card with a tri colour on it offensive?

Lastlight. · 29-05-2014 8:07pm

circadian wrote: »

Losing Anna Lo from NI politics is a massive step backwards. It's terrible what she has had to pit up with and Robinson has proven himself once again to be completely unfit for his position.

Hopefully the silver lining will be that the issue of racism in NI gains more traction to deal with it before it's too late.

Shame she did nothing for us. I can't say I am gutted that she is leaving politics.

Shakespeare's Sister · 29-05-2014 8:08pm

Lastlight. wrote: »

Shame she did nothing for us. I can't say I am gutted that she is leaving politics.

Because *that's* what's of concern. Your mask has stopped slipping, it has fallen off.

Lastlight. · 29-05-2014 8:11pm

Magaggie wrote: »

Because *that's* what's of concern. Your mask has stopped slipping, it has fallen off.

I have no respect for some one who played on the nationalist vote to try and become a MEP and completely shaft her party at the same time.

Shakespeare's Sister · 29-05-2014 8:12pm

Lastlight. wrote: »

I have no respect for some one who played on the nationalist vote to try and become a MEP and completely shaft her party at the same time.

But you do have respect for this Bunting person, gotcha.

circadian · 29-05-2014 8:13pm

Lastlight. wrote: »

Shame she did nothing for us. I can't say I am gutted that she is leaving politics.

What didn't she do? Who is 'us', sorry I have no context to assess your reply.

Lastlight. · 29-05-2014 8:19pm

Magaggie wrote: »

But you do have respect for this Bunting person, gotcha.

Complete opposite, I don't but the electorate voted her in.

pO1Neil · 29-05-2014 8:20pm

The voice of your average Loyalist woman - anti-Muslim, anti-Catholic & pro-Zionist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYoE9Tm6BXI

Shakespeare's Sister · 29-05-2014 8:22pm

I'm not sure how you repeatedly saying "She was voted in" is supposed to make her critics go "Oh, fair enough - we'll say no more".
It doesn't change how deserving of criticism I think she is, and it just makes me feel quite dismayed that someone like her enjoys so much support.

Oh yeh wtf is this sh-t about hardline loyalists being fans of Israel/Jews? Apparently it caused a lot of confusion for Combat 18 or one of those crowds of numbskulls when over visiting their hardline loyalist pals in Belfast.

Oh yeh, it's because nationalists show solidarity with Palestinians. Intelligent stuff.

wazky · 29-05-2014 8:23pm

Lastlight. wrote: »

Complete opposite, I don't but the electorate voted her in.

The same electorate that will be redecorating Land Rovers with paving slabs come July no doubt.

Lastlight. · 29-05-2014 8:23pm

Magaggie wrote: »

I'm not sure how you repeatedly saying "She was voted in" is supposed to make her critics go "Oh, fair enough - we'll say no more".
It doesn't change how deserving of criticism I think she is, and it just makes me feel quite dismayed that someone like her enjoys so much support.

Sinn Fein use that all the time when people question them, the standard response you get is they have a mandate and got elected. This person is no different if we use that argument.

pragmatic1 · 29-05-2014 8:26pm

pO1Neil wrote: »

There was an angry Loyalist on the Nolan show last night telling George Galloway to "go back" to Britain. I taught Loyalists considered themselves apart of Britain. Maybe there starting to realize their really Irish.

They don't know what they are. I actually feel sorry for them. They've become an embarrassment to the UK.

Shakespeare's Sister · 29-05-2014 8:27pm

pO1Neil wrote: »

There was an angry Loyalist on the Nolan show last night telling George Galloway to "go back" to Britain.

Haha

Nodin · 29-05-2014 8:56pm

Magaggie wrote: »

Haha

Actually, if you'd seen the bigoted git ranting, you wouldn't have found it funny. An insight into exactly what mentality nessicated the armed struggle, and frightening that its now aimed at even smaller and more dispersed groups.

Fratton Fred · 29-05-2014 9:14pm

Nodin wrote: »

Actually, if you'd seen the bigoted git ranting, you wouldn't have found it funny. An insight into exactly what mentality nessicated the armed struggle, and frightening that its now aimed at even smaller and more dispersed groups.

And what better way to put manners on them than by killing a few innocent people. That showed em.

Nodin · 29-05-2014 9:19pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And what better way to put manners on them than by killing a few innocent people. That showed em.

Simplistic tosh Fred.

Fratton Fred · 29-05-2014 9:31pm

Nodin wrote: »

Simplistic tosh Fred.

No more so than yours, Nodin.

Nodin · 29-05-2014 9:43pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No more so than yours, Nodin.

Hardly.

If you think I'm going to help you turn this into another Shinner bashing festival, you're mistaken. Its very notable your main concern here is diverting from the subject at hand.

pragmatic1 · 29-05-2014 9:45pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And what better way to put manners on them than by killing a few innocent people. That showed em.

What was the alternative to armed struggle at that time Fred?

end of the road · 29-05-2014 9:45pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And what better way to put manners on them than by killing a few innocent people. That showed em.

the exact same tactic as the BA, who justified it by "playing to the level of the terrorist" or something to that effect, at least we agree it was wrong, very wrong

Lastlight. · 30-05-2014 12:58am

pragmatic1 wrote: »

What was the alternative to armed struggle at that time Fred?

Majority didn't want to join the Irish Republic. They thought it was a good idea to try and bomb people into it. Failed obviously.

Galwayguy35 · 30-05-2014 5:23am

Lastlight. wrote: »

Majority didn't want to join the Irish Republic. They thought it was a good idea to try and bomb people into it. Failed obviously.

They need not worry about that now, I'd have Republician views myself but I'd rather see the border in place than be joined up with the sort of pond life we saw during the flags protest, morons who will go most of their life barely moving outside East Belfast and still thinking it's 1690.

pragmatic1 · 30-05-2014 7:20am

Lastlight. wrote: »

Majority didn't want to join the Irish Republic. They thought it was a good idea to try and bomb people into it. Failed obviously.

I don't think there would have been any armed struggle if the unionist majority didn't treat the nationalist minority life fcukin animals.

Fratton Fred · 30-05-2014 7:51am

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I don't think there would have been any armed struggle if the unionist majority didn't treat the nationalist minority life fcukin animals.

There would have been. Treatment of nationalists was the fuel, not the spark.

ewan whose army · 30-05-2014 7:53am

She is pretty much resented in the UK as well.

Those kinda of attitudes don't really work well over there either. These crackpot unionists don't seem to know what they want to be "unionist" with.

tipptom · 30-05-2014 9:10am

I find it amazing that a prime minister can say the remarks he said never mind backing up the rev cavemans remarks and not have to resign,on par with"I wouldn't have them around the place".
Whats next for the prime minister,order the police to stand down while the loyalists burn all the immigrants out of their homes,that really couldn't happen could it,wait a minute......!!

failinis · 30-05-2014 9:26am

Bomb was thrown into Derry hotel last night, wonder if it was related to all this malarkey stiring up ****e.

Fratton Fred · 30-05-2014 9:52am

failinis wrote: »

Bomb was thrown into Derry hotel last night, wonder if it was related to all this malarkey stiring up ****e.

Well Derry has just elected a councillor who rejects the GFA, so I guess there is still a sizeable element that support this kind of carry on.

pO1Neil · 30-05-2014 12:00pm

tipptom wrote: »

I find it amazing that a prime minister can say the remarks he said never mind backing up the rev cavemans remarks and not have to resign,on par with"I wouldn't have them around the place".
Whats next for the prime minister,order the police to stand down while the loyalists burn all the immigrants out of their homes,that really couldn't happen could it,wait a minute......!!

Well it happened to the Catholics in 69. Wouldn't surprised if it had happened to the Muslims this time.

circadian · 30-05-2014 1:09pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There would have been. Treatment of nationalists was the fuel, not the spark.

What was the spark then?

Fratton Fred · 30-05-2014 1:18pm

circadian wrote: »

What was the spark then?

Diarmait Mac Murchada meeting Richard de Clare I guess.

end of the road · 30-05-2014 1:27pm

the unionists/loyalists treating the irish/catholic population like **** started it, even railways were stolen from people on the basis of religion by the ulster road lobbiests association known as the UTA/ulster transport terrorists/whatever you want to call them

Fratton Fred · 30-05-2014 1:30pm

end of the road wrote: »

the unionists/loyalists treating the irish/catholic population like **** started it, even railways were stolen from people on the basis of religion by the ulster road lobbiests association known as the UTA/ulster transport terrorists/whatever you want to call them

Was this before or after the border campaign, the northern campaign or the s-plan?

Nodin · 30-05-2014 1:34pm

end of the road wrote: »

the unionists/loyalists treating the irish/catholic population like **** started it, even railways were stolen from people on the basis of religion by the ulster road lobbiests association known as the UTA/ulster transport terrorists/whatever you want to call them

Meanwhile, back on topic......

"A rally against racism to express solidarity with Anna Lo is set to take place in Belfast city centre this weekend.

Activists behind the Emergency Rally Against Racism, at Belfast City Hall this Saturday at midday, say the Alliance MLA’s outpouring of emotion in response to the Pastor McConnell row and recent racist abuse directed at her by loyalists, was “the final straw” that has sprung them into action."
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/anna-lo-comments-spark-emergency-rally-against-racism-in-belfast-30315429.html

ewan whose army · 30-05-2014 1:57pm

Does this person have any links to Jim Dowson?

His er Party Britian First is in the news in the UK for leeching off Lee Rigby's murder and conning people into supporting them by deception.

Fratton Fred · 30-05-2014 2:01pm

Nodin wrote: »

Meanwhile, back on topic......

"A rally against racism to express solidarity with Anna Lo is set to take place in Belfast city centre this weekend.

Activists behind the Emergency Rally Against Racism, at Belfast City Hall this Saturday at midday, say the Alliance MLA’s outpouring of emotion in response to the Pastor McConnell row and recent racist abuse directed at her by loyalists, was “the final straw” that has sprung them into action."
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/anna-lo-comments-spark-emergency-rally-against-racism-in-belfast-30315429.html

Decent honest philosophies are hard to find in Northern politics. I hope that not only does Anna stay, but that this brings well deserved publicity to the alliance party.

end of the road · 30-05-2014 2:04pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Was this before or after the border campaign, the northern campaign or the s-plan?

1948 to 1966

pO1Neil · 30-05-2014 3:44pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Was this before or after the border campaign, the northern campaign or the s-plan?

It ended when the UVF started murdering Catholics in 1966 & blowing things up & tried to blame it on the IRA.

cournioni · 30-05-2014 3:52pm

Lastlight. wrote: »

Yes and people who support terrorism and murder, anti abortion views, anti gay views and so on. That is what is great about Ulster, a wide range of views.

Leave Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal out of this.

oppenheimer1 · 30-05-2014 9:04pm

Karl Stein wrote: »

They're not liberal enough in my opinion. They should be looking at decriminalising drug use and relaxing the laws on marijuana use with a view to full legalisation.

That would put a lot of their friends out of business though.

Nodin · 30-05-2014 9:41pm

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

That would put a lot of their friends out of business though.

The usual nonsense, with absolutely nothing to back it up. It would be nice if the accusations would change now and again.....

Fratton Fred · 30-05-2014 9:45pm

Nodin wrote: »

The usual nonsense, with absolutely nothing to back it up. It would be nice if the accusations would change now and again.....

On the bright side though, it would bring down the price of diesel.

Karl Stein · 30-05-2014 9:45pm

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

That would put a lot of their friends out of business though.

Go away.

Anti-Irish (and anti-immigrant) councillor elected in Northern Ireland

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