Giro d'Italia Stage 16 – May 27th, Ponte di Legno-Val Martello **Unmasked Spoilers**

couerdelion

SomeFool wrote: »

Is the red flag just a warning or does it definitely mean the stage has been neutralised?

Apparently it was just being used to help to guide the riders down as there was cloud cover on the upper sections of the descent.

Darkglasses

Black flag is neutralize, red flag is warning?

dastardly00

The photos of the stage today on Steephill are definitely worth having a look at.

couerdelion

Official Statement (does it really clarify things?)

- STATEMENT BY THE [GIRO] RACE DIRECTORS -
[About stage 16]
In consideration of audio recordings of instructions relayed to Directeurs sportifs during today's stage, the Directors of the Giro d'Italia would like to clarify that Race Radio provided an inaccurate interpretation of the indications stipulated by the Directors.
As previously stated, the intention was to guarantee rider safety during the first section of the descent (the first 6 hairpins, approximately 1500 m) of the Passo dello Stelvio, where visibility was restricted due to low cloud and fog.
At no point did Race Radio or the Directors of the Giro make reference to the possible neutralisation of any part of the descent.

Brian?

couerdelion wrote: »

Official Statement (does it really clarify things?)

- STATEMENT BY THE [GIRO] RACE DIRECTORS -
[About stage 16]
In consideration of audio recordings of instructions relayed to Directeurs sportifs during today's stage, the Directors of the Giro d'Italia would like to clarify that Race Radio provided an inaccurate interpretation of the indications stipulated by the Directors.
As previously stated, the intention was to guarantee rider safety during the first section of the descent (the first 6 hairpins, approximately 1500 m) of the Passo dello Stelvio, where visibility was restricted due to low cloud and fog.
At no point did Race Radio or the Directors of the Giro make reference to the possible neutralisation of any part of the descent.

It was never neutralised. Simples.

blobbie

Darkglasses wrote: »

Black flag is neutralize, red flag is warning?

The UCI should sit down with the GAA and figure out the flag/card system for once and for all.

MPFG

Stage 17 today ...I expect some attacking as teams go out to get time back

ZiabR

MPFG wrote: »

Stage 17 today ...I expect some attacking as teams go out to get time back

Yes, after some of yesterdays confusion during the decent, some of the teams will be attacking like crazy to try and make back some time.

retalivity

today is relatively flat... a breakaway of people 30mins+ down has a good chance of staying away, but a move by any gc people would be easily marked

MPFG

I disagree re GC guys attacking

Alot of people are very angry and if you have guys in breakaway there is possibility of a bridge

Very few sprinter teams left ...I think its a roulers stage

gordongekko

Twitter seems to be lighting up about a meeting between all the ds. Tinkoff wants yesterdays stage voided.

MPFG

gordongekko wrote: »

Twitter seems to be lighting up about a meeting between all the ds. Tinkoff wants yesterdays stage voided.

He was the only one who came on a bicycle and kit

He is a bit mad ...and then some

Can't see how they can unravel yesterday ...not just Quintana but Rolland, Hesjedal, etc

Inquitus

MPFG wrote: »

He was the only one who came on a bicycle and kit

He is a bit mad ...and then some

Can't see how they can unravel yesterday ...not just Quintana but Rolland, Hesjedal, etc

Annul the stage results, everyone as you were, still plenty of legit chances for Quintana to win the race, surely he'd rather that then be considered to have won this in very dubious fashion?

Blowfish

Inquitus wrote: »

Annul the stage results, everyone as you were, still plenty of legit chances for Quintana to win the race, surely he'd rather that then be considered to have won this in very dubious fashion?

You can annul everything...except their legs. Quintana, Hesjedal and Rolland are going to be feeling it today and probably tomorrow from the effort they put in yesterday, how do you annul that?

Inquitus

Blowfish wrote: »

You can annul everything...except their legs. Quintana, Hesjedal and Rolland are going to be feeling it today and probably tomorrow from the effort they put in yesterday, how do you annul that?

Should have followed the directions of race radio and remained behind the bike with the red flag, instead of trying to obtain a dubious advantage, so tough shít.

retalivity

Organisers have already came out and said they were sorry for the miscommunication, but it was only ever the intention to have a red flag motorbike for the first 6 corners on the descent, and then race away after that. afaik that's what was done, red flag motorbikes were only passed further down the mountain. It's the other teams fault for stopping when they saw movistar, garmin & europcar continue over the pass.

gordongekko

You could easily argue that teams were asked to stay in formation for the first 6 corners. The teams stopping at the top broke this not the lads who continued to ride on.

retalivity

where the hell is dastardly with the Stage17 thread??

Paddigol

retalivity wrote: »

where the hell is dastardly with the Stage17 thread??

I think he's meeting with the Race Organisers and various DS's to decide what to do with yesterday's thread. Annul it?

dastardly00

Paddigol wrote: »

I think he's meeting with the Race Organisers and various DS's to decide what to do with yesterday's thread. Annul it?

Sorry for delay, I having an espresso with Oleg :pac:

Stage 17 thread here.

ThisRegard

Inquitus wrote: »

Annul the stage results, everyone as you were, still plenty of legit chances for Quintana to win the race, surely he'd rather that then be considered to have won this in very dubious fashion?

It would be pretty harsh, if he does win, and yesterdays stage remains as is, I don't think he'd have won it an any sort of dubious fashion.

buffalo

From what I've read and watched, Quintana et al gained an advantage on the descent while the other teams stopped to put on clothes at the top, rather than attacking from a group.

While the descent, or part of it, was neutralised, nobody said anything about a time out at the summit.

edit: Oleg sayz:

Mad Oleg Tinkoff wrote:

I was at the top of the Stelvio because I'd ridden up and I saw Quintana attack while the others stopped to get changed.

pprendeville

dastardly00 wrote: »

The photos of the stage today on Steephill are definitely worth having a look at.

Incredible photos. The pros certainly earned they're tucker yesterday. See Quintana with the tops of his overshoes taped so as not to let in any water. Good idea. Marginal gains.

Kav0777

pprendeville wrote: »

Incredible photos. The pros certainly earned they're tucker yesterday. See Quintana with the tops of his overshoes taped so as not to let in any water. Good idea.#Marginal gains.

FYP
you appear to have omitted the obligatory hashtag.

Inquitus

16:04:50 CEST
Belgian TV are reporting that all the teams have put forward a suggestion to the UCI to take away the time gained on the Stelvio descent. That would be around 2 minutes and would hand Rigoberto Uran the pink jersey back, albeit by a small margin.

Darkglasses

Inquitus wrote: »

16:04:50 CEST
Belgian TV are reporting that all the teams have put forward a suggestion to the UCI to take away the time gained on the Stelvio descent. That would be around 2 minutes and would hand Rigoberto Uran the pink jersey back, albeit by a small margin.

Doubt it'll happen but I'd love that, make the GC a bit more interesting!

retalivity

Inquitus wrote: »

16:04:50 CEST
Belgian TV are reporting that all the teams have put forward a suggestion to the UCI to take away the time gained on the Stelvio descent. That would be around 2 minutes and would hand Rigoberto Uran the pink jersey back, albeit by a small margin.

I doubt movistar & europcar would have agreed to that

2smiggy

what did Quintana and Rolland actually gain on the decent ? I watched the highlights on sky till the last climb, then I switched to my recorded eurosport coverage for the last climb.

I thought it was only 1.30 minutes tops ?

Hopefully Quintana takes more time out of them on the time trial to make the whole situation moot