Scaremongering about cannabis on Crimecall right now

My name is URL

Anyone watching this crap? Unbelievable amount of bollocks being spewed by 'experts'

They deliberately mashed it in the totally unrelated story about contaminated pills.

Fr_Dougal

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

kneemos

How dare they say something negative about Cannabis.
Cannabis for President.

Aongus Von Bismarck

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyone watching this crap? Unbelievable amount of bollocks being spewed by 'experts'

They deliberately mashed it in the totally unrelated story about contaminated pills.

I haven't seen it as I can't access the RTE shows til they're on the player here.

What experts were they? What were they saying?

catallus

Yeah, I suppose you know more than the doctors OP.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Probably just a load of squares trying to step in on our freak out, man.

Mr. Incognito

You could, just, you know....like...

Change the channel?

wazky

In fairness the amount of young people it has killed down the years is unbelievable.

Temptamperu

Everyone who smokes weed dies.

kneemos

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

You could, just, you know....like...

Change the channel?

We'd all like to change that channel.

Lyaiera

Marijuana cigarettes and jazz, where did the world go wrong?

DarkJager

I'm high right now which makes me 1-nil on the losers on crimecall.

michael999999

You would have to be smoking wacky backy to be watching RTE!

I got spiked with 3 cannabis in the one night before and died 3 times.

Drugs are bad.

Sulla Felix

catallus wrote: »

Yeah, I suppose you know more than the doctors OP.

Nice appeal to authority you have there. Any other fallacies you want to show the group?

catallus

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Nice appeal to authority you have there. Any other fallacies you want to show the group?

What you mean? The doctor is the one, I'm presuming, that the OP is complaining about.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Nice appeal to authority you have there. Any other fallacies you want to show the group?

He's totally, like, a slave to, like, the system, man.

My name is URL

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

You could, just, you know....like...

Change the channel?

Why would I do that? I was watching the program. Do you change the channel whenever something you don't agree with comes on?

Too Tough To Die

So eh, what were they saying?

Renegade Mechanic

Temptamperu wrote: »

Everyone who smokes weed dies.

But not before they get pregnant!

e_e

Some people say alcohol's a drug.

It's not a drug it's a drink!

downonthefarm

That pesky super skunk again.I smoked some back in nam an I'm still tripping out

kneemos

My name is URL wrote: »

Why would I do that? I was watching the program. Do you change the channel whenever something you don't agree with comes on?

Ahh yeah,that's what remotes were made for.That and switching off the porn channel when someone walks in.

Lenin Skynard

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

You could, just, you know....like...

Change the channel?

Second time today I've seen a post like this from you. Is it so hard to imagine that people want to discuss things they're displeased about rather than just turning their back all the time?

Sulla Felix

catallus wrote: »

What you mean? The doctor is the one, I'm presuming, that the OP is complaining about.

It is possible for someone to know more than a doctor, even on medical matters. There's a doctor in my town who also touts kinesiology and chiropracty ffs.

catallus

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

So eh, what were they saying?

That 80% of the youths (14-18 years of age) that present for addiction treatment have a problem with cannabis, along with alcohol, but Dr. Bobby Smith, the consultant psychologist that was on the show, said that it is cannabis that is the main problem for that 80%; he said that they are presenting with a range of problems namely irritability and addiction; that at the extreme ends of the spectrum there are psychotic episodes along with extreme paranoia; but that the most common symptom was mood instability, particularly outbreaks of anger. Then the report continued onto other drugs.

kneemos

A psychiatric nurse once told me that half the people that came into the hospital was because of cannabis,quite surprised by it but there you go.

catallus

kneemos wrote: »

A psychiatric nurse once told me that half the people that came into the hospital was because of cannabis,quite surprised by it but there you go.

Obviously a victim of observation bias, wtf would a trained medical professional who deals with events in the real world possibly know about the facts! :rolleyes:

Aongus Von Bismarck

The pro-weed lobby do themselves an awful disservice by trying to pretend that Marijuana is harmless, or better still, some wonder drug that cures all ails.

If they were realistic and admitted its a psychoactive drug that can cause some pretty severe consequences in young people they might have more traction. Its when they pretend its completely harmless and would solve all health and economic problems, that they tend to get ignored as quacks.

catallus

catallus wrote: »

That 80% of the youths (14-18 years of age) that present for addiction treatment have a problem with cannabis, along with alcohol, but Dr. Bobby Smith, the consultant psychologist that was on the show, said that it is cannabis that is the main problem for that 80%; he said that they are presenting with a range of problems namely irritability and addiction; that at the extreme ends of the spectrum there are psychotic episodes along with extreme paranoia; but that the most common symptom was mood instability, particularly outbreaks of anger. Then the report continued onto other drugs.

Irritability, mood instability and particularly, outbreaks of anger?

In other words normal teenage behaviour or have we all forgotten what it was like being 14-18 and being told we have "a problem"?

This is a great reason to legalize weed. K
Make it harder (like drink) for teenagers to get.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I didn't watch the show myself, but with the amount of crap added to hash and weed, it's can't be 100%.

Don't give a crap what anybody says, anything smoked by combustion is far from healthy.

desultory

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The pro-weed lobby do themselves an awful disservice by trying to pretend that Marijuana is harmless, or better still, some wonder drug that cures all ails.

If they were realistic and admitted its a psychoactive drug that can cause some pretty severe consequences in young people they might have more traction. Its when they pretend its completely harmless and would solve all health and economic problems, that they tend to get ignored as quacks.

When it's benefits have been proven time and time again then it's hard to ignore them.
You hardly expect people to mention nothing about it's economic and health benefits when speaking in it's favour?

desultory

Alexander Gentle Watercolor wrote: »

I didn't watch the show myself, but with the amount of crap added to hash and weed, it's can't be 100%.

Don't give a crap what anybody says, anything smoked by combustion is far from healthy.

Well that's a reasoned argument and if you don't give a crap what anyone says then that discredits everything they could say, well played!

Gbear

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The pro-weed lobby do themselves an awful disservice by trying to pretend that Marijuana is harmless, or better still, some wonder drug that cures all ails.

If they were realistic and admitted its a psychoactive drug that can cause some pretty severe consequences in young people they might have more traction. Its when they pretend its completely harmless and would solve all health and economic problems, that they tend to get ignored as quacks.

That's not the problem. The problem is that people have no understanding of relative risks or probability.

When people do things like use electrical appliances, drive, eat ham or play sports without batting an eye it makes the fearmongering about cannabis appear utterly hypocritical and completely devoid of any logic.

For all intents and purposes, cannabis is not dangerous.

Overheal

Here's a relatively objective article about the drug from cancer.org, including known uses, harms, and possible side effects

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/marijuana

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

desultory wrote: »

Well that's a reasoned argument and if you don't give a crap what anyone says then that discredits everything they could say, well played!

It doesn't matter what you smoke, it's unhealthy, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out :rolleyes:

Overheal

Alexander Gentle Watercolor wrote: »

It doesn't matter what you smoke, it's unhealthy, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out :rolleyes:

well naturally smoking the stuff is bad. smoking tobacco is bad, but tobacco is legal and doesn't have any other known worthwhile properties aside from the addictive nicotine.

desultory

Alexander Gentle Watercolor wrote: »

It doesn't matter what you smoke, it's unhealthy, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out :rolleyes:

Well I guess I'll ignore any and all studies and listen to you, the genius

kikidelvin

Two states in the U.S.and one country in europe have made it legal.How long before this is the norm.Think of how much money could be made.

--LOS--

Hello from Amsterdam o/

Sir Arthur Daley

--LOS-- wrote: »

Hello from Amsterdam o/

Hello there.

I had to attend mental health services at the age of 17, having suffered from depression since childhood, but didn't become unmanageable till then... I do recall one of the first questions asked of me related to drug use, specifically marijuana. Have you smoked it? Yes. Case closed.

No amount of protesting that I smoked the odd joint with my brother, counting about six times in four years, would make any difference to their opinion on my diagnosis. I was labelled a drug user and my real medical issues were at that time not addressed. This kind of scaremongering then can definitely have an unseen backlash. I understand that some rare risks are involved in marijuana use but please. It can at times become a scapegoat, as I believe it is in this instance. No, I didn't watch the show either.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

desultory wrote: »

Well I guess I'll ignore any and all studies and listen to you, the genius

You can take on, or ignore who/what you like. That choice is yours to make

Thanks for the compliment, however, I wouldn't consider myself a genius. Hence the reason I said "It doesn't matter what you smoke, it's unhealthy, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out". It implys that you don't need to have to be very intelligent to accept the fact that inhaling smoke of any kind, from any substance, is unhealthy. Smoke being the important word here.

--LOS--

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Hello there.

hallo

That's my dutch ^

I was just making everybody hate me right now

sabat

Smoking every day is obviously not good for your mental health
in the same way drinking 6 pints daily isn't. Being able to buy a
gramme at a time in a shop with the THC content verified would
give users a lot more control over their intake.

RDM_83 again

Overheal wrote: »

well naturally smoking the stuff is bad. smoking tobacco is bad, but tobacco is legal and doesn't have any other known worthwhile properties aside from the addictive nicotine.

Thing is though if tobacco had historically been illegal it would be illegal today, the fact that it is legal is more to do with inertia than anything else.

I am not sure where I stand on the argument for decriminalization/legalization but I have never really understood how legalizing it would make it harder for the most at risk group (kids/teenagers) to get hold of, its not like the legal status of alcohol prevents teens getting booze with relative ease. I think that the probably reduction of costs would make it more available, if costs were higher than the illegal product I would guess that it would become like black market fags which very easy to get with any sort of effort.

Sir Arthur Daley

--LOS-- wrote: »

hallo

That's my dutch ^

I was just making everybody hate me right now

Pour yourself a jameson, make it a large one, no need for hate.

--LOS--

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Pour yourself a jameson, make it a large one, no need for hate.

I cannot remember the last time I had a drink. Cannabis > drink

But Jameson is cheaper in Amsterdam than at home.

Sir Arthur Daley

--LOS-- wrote: »

I cannot remember the last time I had a drink.

Is this due to drug abuse?

--LOS--

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Is this due to drug abuse?

No it's due to me not having had a drink for months now.

Sir Arthur Daley

--LOS-- wrote: »

No it's due to me not having had a drink for months now.

Why the drought, life is short.