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I don't know what calendar you're looking at but Cork 2016 is June 6th so would see a 17-week plan commence on February 8th, so your January hols are outside the window. If you're going to miss a week, why not start 18 weeks ahead (i.e. Feb 1st) to give yourself a little leeway. The week (and a bit) off in the middle won't do you much harm, but the extra week means you won't miss (m)any of the key sessions.
Re the sessions, whenever I was doing this plan I found the midweek sessions to be not very compatible with the club marathon sessions, and I tended to favour the plan over the club stuff (although no harm in the odd swap out). It's not certain that the club will have anything specific on at that time anyway as most of the club folks do a spring marathon so James usually tries to combine plans around London/Rotterdam/Boston. So you might end up doing the session on your own anyway! Or there's nothing to stop you joining the marathon group but doing your own thing anyway - the group tends to fragment into smaller groups at different paces. Or you could just do the speed session instead the odd time instead of what's on the plan (wouldn't do this too often though as the midweek MP-based sessions are important).
Doing the long run with club on the Sunday is ideal: good to have the company and you can always start or leave earlier if your mileage is different to everyone else's. I only did a couple of club long runs myself this year but would have done more if I'd been more flexible.
Race-wise, these were the races during the marathon training block (started on 2nd Feb 2015):
Bundoran 10 mile (14 Mar)
Omagh HM (28 Mar)
Terenure 5 (17 May)
I think the Terenure race was ideally placed 2 weeks before but only cos I hadn't raced for a while at that point. The 10 mile and HM were a bit too early in the cycle but I'd had a very solid winter so I was ready for them. I found this interfered a good bit with the plan though. Ideally a race-series type progression might be more compatible, as the plan is built around the race series: HM 4-5 weeks out (early May?), 10 mile 4 weeks before that (early April?), 10k 4 weeks before that (early March?), 5 mile 4 weeks before that (early Feb?)...
I'm enjoying my little break - hardly missing the runs at all it, has to be said. I'm pretty lazy at heart. But I might do a parkrun at the weekend all the same.
12x400 sounds like fun. Don't think I've done that one before. I'm sure you nailed it!
Enjoy the training. Good that you're thinking about it well in advance, that bodes well.
EDIT: 12x400 last July, turned out that was your first club session - what an introduction!0 -
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I don't know what calendar you're looking at but Cork 2016 is June 6th so would see a 17-week plan commence on February 8th, so your January hols are outside the window. If you're going to miss a week, why not start 18 weeks ahead (i.e. Feb 1st) to give yourself a little leeway. The week (and a bit) off in the middle won't do you much harm, but the extra week means you won't miss (m)any of the key sessions.
Re the sessions, whenever I was doing this plan I found the midweek sessions to be not very compatible with the club marathon sessions, and I tended to favour the plan over the club stuff (although no harm in the odd swap out). It's not certain that the club will have anything specific on at that time anyway as most of the club folks do a spring marathon so James usually tries to combine plans around London/Rotterdam/Boston. So you might end up doing the session on your own anyway! Or there's nothing to stop you joining the marathon group but doing your own thing anyway - the group tends to fragment into smaller groups at different paces. Or you could just do the speed session instead the odd time instead of what's on the plan (wouldn't do this too often though as the midweek MP-based sessions are important).
Doing the long run with club on the Sunday is ideal: good to have the company and you can always start or leave earlier if your mileage is different to everyone else's. I only did a couple of club long runs myself this year but would have done more if I'd been more flexible.
Race-wise, these were the races during the marathon training block (started on 2nd Feb 2015):
Bundoran 10 mile (14 Mar)
Omagh HM (28 Mar)
Terenure 5 (17 May)
I think the Terenure race was ideally placed 2 weeks before but only cos I hadn't raced for a while at that point. The 10 mile and HM were a bit too early in the cycle but I'd had a very solid winter so I was ready for them. I found this interfered a good bit with the plan though. Ideally a race-series type progression might be more compatible, as the plan is built around the race series: HM 4-5 weeks out (early May?), 10 mile 4 weeks before that (early April?), 10k 4 weeks before that (early March?), 5 mile 4 weeks before that (early Feb?)...
I'm enjoying my little break - hardly missing the runs at all it, has to be said. I'm pretty lazy at heart. But I might do a parkrun at the weekend all the same.
12x400 sounds like fun. Don't think I've done that one before. I'm sure you nailed it!
Enjoy the training. Good that you're thinking about it well in advance, that bodes well.
EDIT: 12x400 last July, turned out that was your first club session - what an introduction!
D, how fantastic are you. Thanks so much. Lucky I don't work with dates and numbers every day then :eek:. I keep all sessions on a spreadsheet and I thought that was the first time I'd done 12*400, hmmn.
I wasn't even considering the marathon sessions and just thought I'd be able to use the current Tuesday session as my session? Looking at the plan though they are much longer runs so that's not going to work either. I can't do them on a Wed anyway as per the original plan as I've a course.
So if I work back from the Sunday, where hopefully I'll have club company, I then need two rest/easy days before a session or MLR? Sorry & thanks.There's also a 10k in bundoran on the same day in March! Come to Bundoran, it's a good one, great spread afterwards and nice shirt too!
A T-SHIRT! Hadn't even considered new possibilities, how exciting!0 -
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Would you say Sun morning LR, Tues night MLR/session is OK - contributes an extra half day recovery over say Sun morning/tue morning?
(Although sleep is important for recovery too, of course).
Not ideal but it might be ok. Id imagine with a standard long run with no funny stuff it'd be ok, but a long run with lots of MP sections might leave you too fatigued.
Tbh if you were recovering well and consistently from that schedule you might do well to add an extra session in on a Thursday to boost further improvement. I wouldn't do that if you were a 'graduate' though i.e. coming off a novice marathon schedule, but I think you could manage it Murph
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Not ideal but it might be ok. Id imagine with a standard long run with no funny stuff it'd be ok, but a long run with lots of MP sections might leave you too fatigued.
Tbh if you were recovering well and consistently from that schedule you might do well to add an extra session in on a Thursday to boost further improvement. I wouldn't do that if you were a 'graduate' though i.e. coming off a novice marathon schedule, but I think you could manage it Murph
Interesting idea, might consider that alright. What kind of session would you recommend for the Thurs night? Must update your plan with all these exciting new additions. 0 -
Interesting idea, might consider that alright. What kind of session would you recommend for the Thurs night? Must update your plan with all these exciting new additions.
In your case I'd tend to probably just do a little of whatever speed work your club are doing. I could sit here and pretend that you need to specifically do x y or z but in reality it's not that complicated IMO.
Just don't flog yourself if you are gonna add in a Thursday club session. Again I am directing this directly at you and not others who are thinking of using this plan for the first time. That's the problem with generic plans, they don't suit all people as they are all coming from different bases.
The beauty of the Graduate group when we used this plan was that they were pretty much all at the same experience level so a generic plan in that instance worked.0 -
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Mon 9 Nov
Easy 5.5 km @ 5:51 (3.4 mi @ 9:25)
A few sweaty miles on the treadmill at DCU, listening to the iPod and watching Sky News go ballistic about "state sponsored Russian doping" (on mute, thankfully). The only thing of note was ticking past 2,500 kms for the year (before you ask, that's 1,553 miles). Any bling for that?
WTD: 3 mi (6 km)
MTD: 10 (16)
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Sat 14 Nov
11km @ 5:13 avg (6.8 mi @ 8:23).
Would love to have been able to do the local parkrun with the missus but had to get the conference presentation done. Ducked out a bit early though and had a lovely run around the Stadsgraven perimeter. It's a canal but looks more like a long lake, with nice trails on either side. As an added bonus the route takes in much of Freetown Christiania, the hippy community with its own municipal status independent of Copenhagen (and the EU, apparently). Lots of interesting waterside dwellings, and a bizarre campsite where tents were branded with "**** the Poor" slogans. So a bit of a mixed message all round. Was hoping to get a bit of tempo in but the paths were too busy for sustained pace so ended up more of a steady run. Difficult enough as it was windy and chilly but worst of all, low sun which seemed to be in my eyes all the time as the zig zag nature of the trail kept pointing me in the wrong direction. But as overseas runs go, another good one. Passed lots of local runners. For the record, they tend to keep to themselves but respond if greeted.. All wearing tights though. Pussies. :pac:
WTD: 22 mi (35 km)
MTD: 28 (45)
YTD: 1,574 (2,532)0
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